Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ajw10 said: I really do think that this kind of sub backfires more than it works. Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. JustĀ ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter. Edited July 11, 2021 by Bootador Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here. Removed it. @Big Geordie there is absolutely no need for you to post that there.Ā If you want to do something useful go report all the comments 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. Jump ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter. I know pressure does funny things, but I can't believe how bad Sancho's penalty was. Like is that what's been doing in training that impressed Southgate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here. I disagree - it needs to be highlighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. JustĀ ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter. yeah absolutely. Southgate overthought it, whereas Mancini placed full trust in the players.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Something like Rashford, Maguire, Saka, Sancho, Kane would have been a better order. Best takers 1 & 5, Rashford and Sancho spaced out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: OK some bad takes in here about penalties. I guess you guys think putting in golf is a complete lottery. No of course not, there are lots of players better at taking penalties than others just like those who are better at putting in golf than others with poor short game.Ā I still think there's more of a lottery aspect to it in penalties in football though, with more variables in a penalty than say in a golfer on the green.Ā We shouldn't have had some of those taking the pens tonight, but if they say they're up for it and have previous form of taking pens then I don't disagree with them taking one or the manager putting them in for one.Ā Saka 5th was a travesty though and I feel for the poor kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Big Geordie said: I disagree - it needs to be highlighted. Yes, but not in here where it's full of people that know racism is bad and know that black players will be racially abused tonight. Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minuti fa, GunmaN1905 ha scritto: You remembered that. Ā I also remember you couldn't wait to see Bonucci's sad face after the game 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: Something like Rashford, Maguire, Saka, Sancho, Kane would have been a better order. Best takers 1 & 5, Rashford and Sancho spaced out. I'll be honest, if you had told me pre tournament that would be the five taking penalties for us I would have been scared. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: Something like Rashford, Maguire, Saka, Sancho, Kane would have been a better order. Best takers 1 & 5, Rashford and Sancho spaced out. best taker should be third, not fifth. Maguire fifth because of his personality, he can take missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Federico said: I also remember you couldn't wait to see Bonucci's sad face after the game This is an absolute win. He'll start for a couple more years and revert to last season's form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I think this sums up what annoys me Heck, I'm glad I got to see us in a major tournament final and it's a day/game I'll always remember, I'm proud of our team and hopefully it long continues.Ā We have some cracking young players and hopefully this experience will help out Southgate and we can win the World Cup next year instead . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: best taker should be third, not fifth. Maguire fifth because of his personality, he can take missing. For comparison, Berardi and Belotti are great takers, taking pens for their club for years. Bernardeschi is also good, obviously doesn't take them for Juventus. Bonucci always stepped up in the shootouts and has a good record. Jorginho, you know him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, ajw10 said: best taker should be third, not fifth. Maguire fifth because of his personality, he can take missing. I'm not gonna argue against Maguire breaking the camera and winning us Euro 2024 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bootador said: You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)?Ā Can't be ideal prep. Honestly don't think this matters in the slightest. They're taking penalties, it's just an excuse to beat managers with because they missed. Fergie brought on Anderson and Nani in a Champions League final with barely a kick left to take penalties.Ā It's a squad of 25, some aren't going to play much and are going to be called up to take penalties because they're good at them. That's tournament football. They don't need any excuses made for them, tournament football is cruel sometimes and it's on them to bounce back.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, ajw10 said: Yes, but not in here where it's full of people that know racism is bad and know that black players will be racially abused tonight. Ā By here do you mean the thread or the forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, GunmaN1905 said: If I was Sterling, Grealish or Shaw I wouldn't be able to live with myself. How can you bloody allow a 19 year old kid to shoot the 5th penalty in such game? I wanted England to lose and I'm uspet at how awful this is compared to the actual potential of this team. @GunmaN1905Ā Don't make such stupid assumptions. Grealish even said the other day in an interview that he would be happy to take one as he loves the pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, VamPook said: By here do you mean the thread or the forum? both? The vast majority on this forum are not racist and fully understand that racially abusing black footballers online is abhorrent. Ā 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, brett.spurs said: Sterling and Grealish missed that penalty as far as I'm concerned, not Saka. šš Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said: @GunmaN1905Ā Don't make such stupid assumptions. Grealish even said the other day in an interview that he would be happy to take one as he loves the pressure. Hahaha there's no way you believe Southgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: Hahaha there's no way you believe Southgate. You know better then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said: @GunmaN1905Ā Don't make such stupid assumptions. Grealish even said the other day in an interview that he would be happy to take one as he loves the pressure. I know you're defending your guy, but cmon. What should've Gareth said? That some of them didn't want to take the penalty? What kind of coach would blame the players here? For example Berardi didn't want to take one against Spain, despite taking them his entire career on club level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Yeah sorry but whether he did or not, that's what Southgate has to sayĀ Ā he's protecting his players. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, ajw10 said: Scottish fans are weird. It's like Rochdale mocking Manchester United for losing a final Because lesser teams fans werenāt mocking Man United for losing the Europa League final.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) Btw, even taking out any emotional attachment to who won, that's the best Euros of my lifetime. Feeling a bit sad it's over now... Ā Edited July 11, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here. Better not step into the English thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: I know you're defending your guy, but cmon. What should've Gareth said? That some of them didn't want to take the penalty? What kind of coach would blame the players here? For example Berardi didn't want to take one against Spain, despite taking them his entire career on club level. Do you know any different though? At the end of the day we don't actually know how the choice was made 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Realistically Shaw, Grealish or Sterling should be taking a penalty over Saka or Ā Maguire.Ā Ā You have to back Maguire for stepping up and taking the second one. Whenās he ever taken one in his life ffs Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 So people have barely finished leaving the stadium and there's already footage going around of English fans beating up random kids and asian people.Ā England need an international ban again - did it work last time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I think what we're all in agreement is we can't blame Sterling, because that would be racist... but **** Jack Grealish and his stupid hair not taking penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: I think what we're all in agreement is we can't blame Sterling, because that would be racist... but **** Jack Grealish and his stupid hair not taking penalties. The Sun's headline tomorrow will 100% be about how Sterling threw the kids into the fire instead of taking one himself. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, EnterUsernameHere said: Btw, even taking out any emotional attachment to who won, that's the best Euros of my lifetime. Feeling a bit sad it's over now... I usually don't catch internationals besides supporting the underachievers, but I managed to catch almost every game for this one(except for a couple where I fell asleep) Think at least 80% of the matches were entertaining š 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said: I know you're defending your guy, but cmon. What should've Gareth said? That some of them didn't want to take the penalty? What kind of coach would blame the players here? For example Berardi didn't want to take one against Spain, despite taking them his entire career on club level. I think I know Grealish's character a little more than you. Absolutely no chance he would have 'bottled' it, as you love to say. People blaming him, Sterling and co for Saka having to take one is laughable. Not just the blaming, but the assumptions people are making about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, PaulHartman71 said: Realistically Shaw, Grealish or Sterling should be taking a penalty over Saka or Ā Maguire.Ā Ā You have to back Maguire for stepping up and taking the second one. Whenās he ever taken one in his life ffs Ā Maguire been robbed of about 20 career goals already at Leicester/United. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: Do you know any different though? At the end of the day we don't actually know how the choice was made I suppose you're right. Coach usually asks the players who's ready to take one. Some coaches force players who don't want to take pens to do it, others don't. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see Southgate telling Grealish he's not taking one if he said he was ready. 1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Btw, even taking out any emotional attachment to who won, that's the best Euros of my lifetime. Feeling a bit sad it's over now... It would be up there if there were fans. Like this, not so much. At least last 3 games had good atmosphere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: Do you know any different though? At the end of the day we don't actually know how the choice was made There's no way Southgate picked 5 players and refused to take into account how they were feeling. Put it this way, if he decided that Saka was to take the fifth, whilst Sterling and Grealish are willing to take one, then that is genuinely horrendous management. I hate using the word negligent when it comes to football, but that's as close as you can get. Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Btw, even taking out any emotional attachment to who won, that's the best Euros of my lifetime. Feeling a bit sad it's over now... Ā Some amazing games. The knockout stages were brilliant.Ā The evening of Spain/Croatia and France/Switzerland was probably the best day of football I've ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Why are you backing Magquire for taking one but not backing Saka taking one? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Baptista_8 said: I think I know Grealish's character a little more than you. Absolutely no chance he would have 'bottled' it, as you love to say. People blaming him, Sterling and co for Saka having to take one is laughable. Not just the blaming, but the assumptions people are making about it. so elite footballer Grealish was told by Southgate that a 19 year old was taking a penalty instead? This is impressive, even by your standards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Ackter said: Why are you backing Magquire for taking one but not backing Saka taking one? A 19 year old without a single penalty taken in his career taking a pen in a game like this is just bad coaching. Him being the fifth taker makes it exponentially worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Ackter said: So people have barely finished leaving the stadium and there's already footage going around of English fans beating up random kids and asian people.Ā England need an international ban again - did it work last time? The footage posted in most places is before the game (still daylight coming through the windows). Those getting a hiding were the ones without tickets trying to get through a disabled entrance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Isn't Grealish only about 25? He's hardly a grizzled veteran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Ackter said: Why are you backing Magquire for taking one but not backing Saka taking one? Age. Tbf when I saw Maguire step up I felt confident. He's got good technique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said: Realistically Shaw, Grealish or Sterling should be taking a penalty over Saka or Ā Maguire.Ā Ā You have to back Maguire for stepping up and taking the second one. Whenās he ever taken one in his life ffs Ā The first penalty in the Nations League 3rd PlaceĀ shootout against Switzerland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said: I suppose you're right. Coach usually asks the players who's ready to take one. Some coaches force players who don't want to take pens to do it, others don't. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see Southgate telling Grealish he's not taking one if he said he was ready. It would be up there if there were fans. Like this, not so much. At least last 3 games had good atmosphere. Don't agree with the selections myself, but I have nothing to argue against what he said and what's been happening in training Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Big Geordie said: I disagree - it needs to be highlighted. Jesus man, you are a tedious ****ing bore. Nobody in here is going to condone it. We all abhor it, this isnātĀ Facebook, you arenāt going to trip upĀ any closet racists with your embedded tweets and yourĀ pithy one-liners.Ā But Christ alive,Ā you donāt always need to be quite so sanctimonious. SoĀ eagerĀ toĀ disapproveĀ at the top of your voice to validate your own weird sense of self.Ā So desperateĀ toĀ ram your outrageĀ down everyoneās throats. Rocking up at full time with your politics and completely hijacking a discussion about the matchĀ itself. You really are a strange strange man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 That was gutting. Penalties man. ****ing penalties. Ā 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Southgate putting Saka on number 5 for penalties: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, ajw10 said: so elite footballer Grealish was told by Southgate that a 19 year old was taking a penalty instead? This is impressive, even by your standards Yes. Just like he was told he was coming on before him, and why he started more Euros games than him. Have you been in training watching them take pens? And 'by your standards' - don't be a dick about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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