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Match 51 THE FINAL: Italy vs England - 8pm Sunday BBC1 AND ITV1 LIVE FROM WEMBLEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Just now, GunmaN1905 said:

Zoff-Zenga-Pagliuca-Buffon

Zenga was easily the best keeper in late 80s and early 90s, then came Pagliuca and obviously Buffon.

 

Zenga...lol. Dassajev, Taffarel, Schmeichel, Preudhomme were the big ones at that time, no place for flycatcher Zenga...

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5 minutes ago, Carambau said:

Lets just wait and see, far too early to tell.

..."top class keepers".... Who exactly apart from Zoff and Buffon? I can´t recall any. And spare me the names of flycatcher Zenga or even Toldo

Pagliuca, Peruzzi... both very good keepers.

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Just now, ajw10 said:

Yeah I agree. Really disappointed in the likes of Sterling for not stepping up.

He was ok, sure. But the hype all tournament has been that he's this wonderful game changer who is amazing at everything. 

He wasn't a game changer at all. In fairness to those (myself included) though, people thought he should have started. Coming off the bench is a different thing altogether.

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Sterling isn't good at penalties :D Have no problem with him not taking one, but it probably means leaving him on for the full 120 minutes was a mistake. Should have used our subs properly and gone for the win.

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The gammon will be going off it tonight - kudos to the young lads who showed guts to come forwards and take their pens, but the pens themselves were poor. England got their tactics wrong from the 2nd half - Southgate (like Bruce does) dropped England onto the edge of our 18 yard box and defended from there. It's asking for trouble. :(

Feel sorry for Rashford, Sterling and Saka who will doubtlessly now be the target for lots of vile racist abuse. They and the rest can hold their heads high - making the final is a terrific achievement. It just wasn't to be in the end.

Well done Italy - best team won.

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Just now, sedge11 said:

Kane didn’t have a single shot tonight, what does that say about how we played, and how well Bonucci and Chiellini controlled us.

all depends on the role he was assigned to by Southgate

 

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3 minutes ago, Weezer said:

True, but I'd rather they at least waited until they got off the podium. It looks pathetic and disrespectful when they rip it off the second it's put on them. And what does it change, does pulling it off immediately make you forget you've just lost a final? I just find it weird how keen they are to rip it off, like they're doing it for show.

Done a few interviews with players after losing. Remember it being described as a millstone round their neck. Can tell you know they absolutely aren't thinking about what's round them. I'm not gonna judge any player's reaction to losing. Whatever we feel, it'll be infinitely worse for them

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1 minute ago, Big Geordie said:

The gammon will be going off it tonight - kudos to the young lads who showed guts to come forwards and take their pens, but the pens themselves were poor. England got their tactics wrong from the 2nd half - Southgate (like Bruce does) dropped England onto the edge of our 18 yard box and defended from there. It's asking for trouble. :(

Feel sorry for Rashford, Sterling and Saka who will doubtlessly now be the target for lots of vile racist abuse. They and the rest can hold their heads high - making the final is a terrific achievement. It just wasn't to be in the end.

Well done Italy - best team won.

**** off you ****

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Just now, Pompeyboyz said:

I just know there will be a lot of people doing the opposite, but this needs to be said still. 

Who is this 'advice' for? :D 

Is the type of person that racially abuses people suddenly going to stop and think "oh, maybe I shouldn't do that"?

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6 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:

Sterling isn't good at penalties :D Have no problem with him not taking one, but it probably means leaving him on for the full 120 minutes was a mistake. Should have used our subs properly and gone for the win.

Yeah I assumed he was going to come off for Rashford for the pens.

I was quite confident for the pens as I thought we had a few on there who could score but then they ddin't step up :D

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2 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

He wasn't a game changer at all. In fairness to those (myself included) though, people thought he should have started. Coming off the bench is a different thing altogether.

I think my issue is that he plays up to the adulation from the fans but won't step up when needed.

 

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Italy have been the the best team the entire tournament, theres been a couple of roller coaster moments in games but theyve come through them. They fully deserved their win tonight,


England have played a decent tournament and can take solace that theyve performed more as a team than they have for many a tournament.

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1 minute ago, skybluedave said:

Yeah I assumed he was going to come off for Rashford for the pens.

I was quite confident for the pens as I thought we had a few on there who could score but then they ddin't step up :D

I was convinced that Stones would step up

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You know who did frighten me every time he dribbled at our defence? Federico Chiesa. Great player, felt the game slowed down a bit after he came off and there was an opportunity for England to be more attacking when he came off injured that we did not take.

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Just now, CFuller said:

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This says a lot about certain sections of our fanbase.

It tells me that 16.6k people cannot spell more than anything.

Absolutely gutted for Saka, such a good player and it takes courage to take the 5th penalty. Feel for the England lads, they're a good side and will be for years to come. 

Not gutted for the pundits and media nonsense that surrounds them however. 

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Gutted.

We've done so well and much to build on in the future though. Team can be so proud though. This is the best and most enjoyable England side I've ever seen.

Worse possible to lose though with 3 persons of colour missing. I dread the racist abuse that is almost certainly coming Rashford Saka and Sanchos way in social media. :(

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Rashford should have came on for Sterling at start of ET. Was an obvious proactive sub to get the momentum on our side. To leave it till the final minute is just proper weird, basically said from Gareth that he’d rather have pens then risk losing it in extra time, which I can never get on board with when you eventually lose the shootout.

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1 minute ago, ajw10 said:

I think my issue is that he plays up to the adulation from the fans but won't step up when needed.

 

Yeah maybe. I'm still convinced he should be played ahead of Mount but the tournament is over now, so I'll let it go.

Just now, av3ry said:

You know who did frighten me every time he dribbled at our defence? Federico Chiesa. Great player, felt the game slowed down a bit after he came off and there was an opportunity for England to be more attacking when he came off injured that we did not take.

Chiesa was incredible. I'd absolutely love him at Liverpool it he's normally as good as he was this tournament.

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1 minute ago, av3ry said:

You know who did frighten me every time he dribbled at our defence? Federico Chiesa. Great player, felt the game slowed down a bit after he came off and there was an opportunity for England to be more attacking when he came off injured that we did not take.

Is he available?

Hardly see that kind of (successful)runs by players anymore

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1 minute ago, metal_guitarist said:

Stones used to be a decent penalty taker when he was younger IIRC, remember him chipping a couple into the top corner 

when he was younger?

he's only 27

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Saka has balls of steel to step up to the plate and take a penalty in that situation - I think the decision to have him take that penalty is questionable but Southgate must have his reasons.

Thought overall on the night Italy deserved the win, we started off really well and then slowly started letting it slip towards the end of the first half and didn't get a grip again until well into extra time. Think Southgate got some key decisions wrong tonight unfortunately but across the tournament he and the team have done the country proud and I think the national team is going in the right direction.

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First thing the squad should do is have a total media blackout. No looking at the headlines looking for scapegoats, no talking to interviewers looking to rub salt into the wounds. Stay together, regroup and recover. Come back when you've had the time to process everything that's happened tonight, and come back stronger from it.

Big kudos to Southgate for coming out and taking the fall for the penalties. Standing up and admitting he was the one who got it wrong, protecting his players from criticism. I respect that.

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3 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

Jesus don’t you ever ****ing stop

 

Rob is alive !

 

edit- I didn’t mean that to sound rude. Hope you’re okay, I don’t know anyone who wanted England to win as much as you 

 

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Just now, buffalo said:

when he was younger?

he's only 27

 

Just now, Bootador said:

I don't recall Stones ever taking one for us fwiw (even in shootouts)

Was in his Barnsley/Everton days, never seen him take one at City 

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Incredible tournament England. I think Southgate ****ed it and didn't learn his lesson from the Croatia semi final. Very proud of the whole team though and gutted for Saka who should never have been taking that penalty. There are fans of other teams getting a kick out of this who will never know what this is like.

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