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4 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

When we talk Euro 2004, I always blame Sven's hapless substitutions and his decision to try and defend a 1-0 lead for 87 minutes.  Heskey on for Rooney instead of Vassell and we run away with it.  The disallowed goal is annoying but you don't hear people arguing we definitely would have won if not for that.  At least not in the way that people now seem to be arguing now that we definitely wouldn't have won against Denmark.

tbh the disallowed goal would have made it 2-1 to us with a minute left to play, so if people aren't arguing we'd definitely have won if it was allowed to stand, it's only because that bit is too obvious to need pointing out :D 

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2 hours ago, Weezer said:

People getting their money’s worth out of the penalty debate I see.

For me, meh, the ref gave a penalty so it’s a penalty. It’s a soft one and it’s annoying when it goes against you but is it significant enough to still be banging on about 2 days later? I wonder how many of these users arguing either way will completely flip flop once the club season starts and something similar goes for or against their team?

It was a soft penalty and you'd be annoyed if that went against you but there is contact, twice and ultimately it's a penalty, Sterling was fouled. 

1 hour ago, Federico said:

True. At the same way I think it would be more reasonable if people here say that the penalty was just a gift, Sterling dived and they were lucky. Just admit it instead of defending a bad decision to death.

I think this is football, sometimes things go right, sometimes go wrong. Sometimes you're lucky, sometimes you're not. There are matches where ref's decisions are for you, some other matches are not. England deserves a final and it'll be a great final you're gonna win surely, because it's your time.

There's been many posts in this thread saying it was a soft penalty, even some England fans said it shouldn't have been given, if you've read the thread you'll know that. 

Agree with the second part. Football and decisions are always going to be subjective. You'll never please anyone with every decision. 

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17 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

You'll never please anyone with every decision. 

:brock:

I'm done with the penalty fwiw, shame it was so badly executed Schmeichel couldn't deflect it to the side. :) England were the best team overall anyway.

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3 hours ago, Analog said:

The highlights skip straight to Kane's penalty.  That's all I'm saying.  It's legitimately very weird, and if there are legal reasons for it then I still think it's very stupid they've set up VAR highlights this way.  I'm just trying to remember highlights from back in the day in US sports, and how they would show replays forwards and backwards, but here they legitimately skipped over the entire incident, just straight from one highlight to a Kane penalty highlight.  

Just gone through our highlights package here and it's on there just fine. I have read a lot of Americans moaning about how contentious Footie issues are edited out frequently in the US. For instance quite a few of the managers interviews will have cherry picked comments whilst editing out things like for instance Klopps complaints about scheduling and that this frequently happens for controversial decisions too. No idea why they do it though.

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I see all the talk about the penalty, which in my honest opinion was contentious, but no one really talks about the stats.

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England dominated Denmark and had it not been for a certain goalkeeper, we would have won much clearer with or without a penalty. 

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4 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said:

I see all the talk about the penalty, which in my honest opinion was contentious, but no one really talks about the stats.

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England dominated Denmark and had it not been for a certain goalkeeper, we would have won much clearer with or without a penalty. 

Have you watched the Spain games?

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7 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said:

I see all the talk about the penalty, which in my honest opinion was contentious, but no one really talks about the stats.

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England dominated Denmark and had it not been for a certain goalkeeper, we would have won much clearer with or without a penalty. 

 

2 minutes ago, The_jagster said:

Have you watched the Spain games?

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1 hour ago, enigmatic said:

tbh the disallowed goal would have made it 2-1 to us with a minute left to play, so if people aren't arguing we'd definitely have won if it was allowed to stand, it's only because that bit is too obvious to need pointing out :D 

Was it? :D In my head that Sol Campbell disallowed goal was midway through extra time. Shows how much I have dwelt on it definitely definitely being the reason we went out :brock:

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2 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said:

I see all the talk about the penalty, which in my honest opinion was contentious, but no one really talks about the stats.

England dominated Denmark and had it not been for a certain goalkeeper, we would have won much clearer with or without a penalty. 

You know how it goes: if a smaller team defeats a bigger team, no matter how, invariably it is called 'deserved'. In this case the Danes did just enough to keep England from scoring the second goal and had things gone to penalties, we all know how that would have ended (I'll generously call it 75% likely for Denmark). And they would therefore 'deservedly' have won. That's why the penalty is so hotly debated. It made the difference between win and loss. It is, ceteris paribus, the only reason England won. 'England would have scored anyway'. They didn't though. Should have made one more and no one would talk about this, basically. 

(And it was a dive, let's keep that clear :D )

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13 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said:

I see all the talk about the penalty, which in my honest opinion was contentious, but no one really talks about the stats.

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England dominated Denmark and had it not been for a certain goalkeeper, we would have won much clearer with or without a penalty. 

It's been talked about quite a lot.

I think the vast majority would agree England were the better team and most likely would have scored anyway. Doesn't mean they definitely would have, though.

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13 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

Was it? :D In my head that Sol Campbell disallowed goal was midway through extra time. Shows how much I have dwelt on it definitely definitely being the reason we went out :brock:

didn't he score one in extra time against Argentina in 1998 and it was ruled out?

nah turns out it was 80th minute of that game, my mistake ;)

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22 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

 

 

Don't know when exactly the booing the other teams national anthem became a 'thing' but it's terrible. 

Only terrible thing about it is the idea that only England fans do it - happens in loads of places but for some reason it's become the new thing to moan about this week :rolleyes: 

It happened at the playoff final ffs :D 

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I'm sure matches held in other stadiums this tournament have had booing of the national anthem, I don't agree with it but it is by no means unique to England fans.

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5 minutes ago, darren1983 said:

Only terrible thing about it is the idea that only England fans do it - happens in loads of places but for some reason it's become the new thing to moan about this week :rolleyes: 

It happened at the playoff final ffs :D 

Can't say I've really noticed it in other games. 

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3 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

Can't say I've really noticed it in other games. 

Wasn't really a thing anyone cared about till this week though, more noticable when there's 40-60k doing it but it's been going on years and yeah, it's **** but it's really not a big deal. I don't get the fuss tbh 

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26 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

Can't say I've really noticed it in other games. 

Apparently the Italians were doing it, and so were the Danes in group stage matches. Probably not at the level that England fans were, in any case.

My unpopular opinion is that national anthems are dirges and should not be sung before sports matches.

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5 minutes ago, Unknown Hacker said:

Apparently the Italians were doing it, and so were the Danes in group stage matches. Probably not at the level that England fans were, in any case.

My unpopular opinion is that national anthems are dirges and should not be sung before sports matches.

apart from the Italian anthem :cool:

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1 hour ago, DJ said:

Should have made one more and no one would talk about this, basically.

I love the idea that we should have gone out to score another and potentially conceded in the process so that some people on OTF wouldn’t moan about us being given a blatant penalty.

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I mean, even if Denmark had held out for another 15 minutes after going a man down, what makes it certain or even likely that they'd have won a shoot out? We beat Columbia in 2018 and Switzerland in 2019 - Southgate's England emphatically aren't Old England.

Schmeichel's saved 23/91 in his career (25%) vs Pickford's 11/46 (24%) - so even the goalkeeper "advantage" I've heard tons of people mention doesn't actually exist.

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37 minutes ago, Butts said:

I love the idea that we should have gone out to score another and potentially conceded in the process so that some people on OTF wouldn’t moan about us being given a blatant penalty.

I mean, either before or after the penalty. Now, it's a game decider, otherwise, it wouldn't have been. 

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1 hour ago, darren1983 said:

Only terrible thing about it is the idea that only England fans do it - happens in loads of places but for some reason it's become the new thing to moan about this week :rolleyes: 

It happened at the playoff final ffs :D 

In England we hold ourselves to a much higher standard than we hold other counties on this sort of thing, I guess you could say it's the right thing to do but it happens in other games a lot and it's happened to England many times in games in other countries so I'm not going to get too much of a tizz about the criticism of England fans doing it. A lot of stone throwing in glass houses out there.

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This thread:  5.5 pages of pre-match comment and build-up, 17.5 pages of match, 18 pages of debating the penalty/"dark arts".  And some people thought VAR would remove debates from football :D

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