DJ Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said: I see all the talk about the penalty, which in my honest opinion was contentious, but no one really talks about the stats. England dominated Denmark and had it not been for a certain goalkeeper, we would have won much clearer with or without a penalty. You know how it goes: if a smaller team defeats a bigger team, no matter how, invariably it is called 'deserved'. In this case the Danes did just enough to keep England from scoring the second goal and had things gone to penalties, we all know how that would have ended (I'll generously call it 75% likely for Denmark). And they would therefore 'deservedly' have won. That's why the penalty is so hotly debated. It made the difference between win and loss. It is, ceteris paribus, the only reason England won. 'England would have scored anyway'. They didn't though. Should have made one more and no one would talk about this, basically. (And it was a dive, let's keep that clear ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said: I see all the talk about the penalty, which in my honest opinion was contentious, but no one really talks about the stats. England dominated Denmark and had it not been for a certain goalkeeper, we would have won much clearer with or without a penalty. It's been talked about quite a lot. I think the vast majority would agree England were the better team and most likely would have scored anyway. Doesn't mean they definitely would have, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Don't know when exactly the booing the other teams national anthem became a 'thing' but it's terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Was it? In my head that Sol Campbell disallowed goal was midway through extra time. Shows how much I have dwelt on it definitely definitely being the reason we went out didn't he score one in extra time against Argentina in 1998 and it was ruled out? nah turns out it was 80th minute of that game, my mistake Edited July 9, 2021 by TM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Don't know when exactly the booing the other teams national anthem became a 'thing' but it's terrible. Only terrible thing about it is the idea that only England fans do it - happens in loads of places but for some reason it's become the new thing to moan about this week It happened at the playoff final ffs 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 I'm sure matches held in other stadiums this tournament have had booing of the national anthem, I don't agree with it but it is by no means unique to England fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, darren1983 said: Only terrible thing about it is the idea that only England fans do it - happens in loads of places but for some reason it's become the new thing to moan about this week It happened at the playoff final ffs Can't say I've really noticed it in other games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Can't say I've really noticed it in other games. Wasn't really a thing anyone cared about till this week though, more noticable when there's 40-60k doing it but it's been going on years and yeah, it's **** but it's really not a big deal. I don't get the fuss tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Hacker Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Can't say I've really noticed it in other games. Apparently the Italians were doing it, and so were the Danes in group stage matches. Probably not at the level that England fans were, in any case. My unpopular opinion is that national anthems are dirges and should not be sung before sports matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Unknown Hacker said: Apparently the Italians were doing it, and so were the Danes in group stage matches. Probably not at the level that England fans were, in any case. My unpopular opinion is that national anthems are dirges and should not be sung before sports matches. apart from the Italian anthem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, DJ said: Should have made one more and no one would talk about this, basically. I love the idea that we should have gone out to score another and potentially conceded in the process so that some people on OTF wouldn’t moan about us being given a blatant penalty. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 I mean, even if Denmark had held out for another 15 minutes after going a man down, what makes it certain or even likely that they'd have won a shoot out? We beat Columbia in 2018 and Switzerland in 2019 - Southgate's England emphatically aren't Old England. Schmeichel's saved 23/91 in his career (25%) vs Pickford's 11/46 (24%) - so even the goalkeeper "advantage" I've heard tons of people mention doesn't actually exist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, Butts said: I love the idea that we should have gone out to score another and potentially conceded in the process so that some people on OTF wouldn’t moan about us being given a blatant penalty. I mean, either before or after the penalty. Now, it's a game decider, otherwise, it wouldn't have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, darren1983 said: Only terrible thing about it is the idea that only England fans do it - happens in loads of places but for some reason it's become the new thing to moan about this week It happened at the playoff final ffs In England we hold ourselves to a much higher standard than we hold other counties on this sort of thing, I guess you could say it's the right thing to do but it happens in other games a lot and it's happened to England many times in games in other countries so I'm not going to get too much of a tizz about the criticism of England fans doing it. A lot of stone throwing in glass houses out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post themadsheep2001 Posted July 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2021 This was properly lovely to see, those who've been on the wrong side of this will understand how much of a big deal it is 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 UEFA have solved the game's problems once again and taken their usual course of rapid, decisive, and comprehensive measure of issuing fines from the problems reported: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57788267 Football is saved again, what would we do without you UEFA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 10, 2021 Administrators Share Posted July 10, 2021 26K They are really not at all serious about anything are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Lucas said: 26K They are really not at all serious about anything are they? I've got a mate trying to persuade four of us to spend nearly that on a hospitality package Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 13:02, skybluedave said: To be fair quite a few of the fouls were Kane crumbling to the floor at the mere sight of a Dane The dark arts…about time we caught up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, aggressive minor said: The dark arts…about time we caught up! We did it with Owen 20 years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinji Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 This thread: 5.5 pages of pre-match comment and build-up, 17.5 pages of match, 18 pages of debating the penalty/"dark arts". And some people thought VAR would remove debates from football 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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