StevehFC Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Will become German for one day only next Tuesday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: If you want to go to bloody twitter and circlejerk about everything, then go there. Like what the f-k are any of us on this forum supposed to do with a dozen posts about racism and bombers? Is that group of Hungarian fans racist? Yes. Is their leader borderline fascist? Yes. We all know that, there's nothing to gain from that discussion. One of the reasons I enjoy this forum is that most people here aren't of the one-dimensional "keep politics out of football hurrr" variety but reflect about the matters where football, politics and culture intersect. Regarding the 10 bombers, as a German myself I never found the lyrics to be particularly offensive at all, and I'm mostly amused when some drunken idiots think that this would rile up Germans. We have our own far-right hooligan problem, and as far as I'm concerned these guys all deserve each other. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 hours ago, PMLF said: There is Copa América tomorrow (and tonight). Just need a quick breakdown of each countries political structure and human rights record league table so we can decide who to support 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Just need a quick breakdown of each countries political structure and human rights record league table so we can decide who to support you'd quickly run out of teams to support. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Venezuela would be popular surely? I'd be supporting Colombia because I have friends there who bought me a shirt. Easy choice. Edited June 24, 2021 by Wiggins Top Boys 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I'll be supporting Uruguay because they have a decent contemporary human rights record and political structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said: I'll be supporting Uruguay because they have a decent contemporary human rights record and political structure. Oh dear, someone didn't see their last election where they have elected *gulp* conservatives for the first time in a long while. As BG would say they've LURCHED MASSIVELY to the far right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said: I'll be supporting Uruguay because they have a decent contemporary human rights record and political structure. They've been very quietly going about their business as a nation in terms of advancing socioeconomic status, and have some tidy players on the pitch too But on a serious level, it's often those who have never had to suffer discrimination or a lack of representation who scorn why it's actually really important 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Oh dear, someone didn't see their last election where they have elected *gulp* conservatives for the first time in a long while. As BG would say they've LURCHED MASSIVELY to the far right. Well, that scuppers my plans then. Venezuela it is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 People talk about keeping football as football, wish that had been the case when I was in bermondsey, rather than having my teen years marred by the bigoted Millwall and NF lot around there. Still hate South Bermondsey station even now You can apply it to most if not all sports, but football reflects society, and it probably does it more than most. It's the biggest sport in the world, it can't help but reflect society, and also be shaped by it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Apparently both of Benzema's goals came at 46 mins 44s - one in stoppage time in the first half, the other just after the second half started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 There is a difference between acknowledging the political story behind football and the childish extension of a football team as a government representative side. I'll use Uruguay, does their general left wing politics matter more to the morality of their football team than their forward who has been banned for racially offensive language and biting other players? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 8 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: Sorry about that, I was referring to everyone who just kept posting more or less the same thing over and over again. Fair enough. Then everyone who's posting this over and over again should know better than not to generalize. I'm sure that regular folk in Hungary all love and support Orban, right? He's in charge, so he must be universally loved? You had the fortune to be born in a country where democracy is at least functional, don't judge people from countries where it's not. Because fairytales of mass protest or anything similar are just fairytales and never work. Not without massive casualties, at least. I'm done for the night, sorry if I offended anyone, but I hoped that at least here I can escape all that social media nonsense and talk about football. No need to apologize at all. Actually good that you spoke out . I initially stayed silent as I know that there are quite some hotheaded social justice warriors here, but I completely feel the same way. It has been very annoying to see all the fuss surrounding the Germany vs. Hungary game in several threads that constantly needs to be brought up time and time again. I feel the whole thing has been laughable really and I am gay myself ffs. When I watch football, I want to see actual football, not constant virtue signalling. 56 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Venezuela would be popular surely? I'd be supporting Colombia because I have friends there who bought me a shirt. Easy choice. Haha, absolutely. Socialism!!11!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Oop, here's Cedrik to drop a sjw claim. Edited June 24, 2021 by ginnybob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 By the way has Wiggins always been this conservative or has he just been watching too much GB News lately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, ginnybob said: Oop, here Cedrik to drop a sjw claim. Not even a good one, since he actually saw football as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Well this has escalated overnight. Just trying to enjoy England’s good fortune with the draw and the fact that it’s definitely coming home now, and you’re all arguing about Hungary’s equality fails and Uruguay’s politics. Well done lads, way to kill the mood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, The_jagster said: There is a difference between acknowledging the political story behind football and the childish extension of a football team as a government representative side. I'll use Uruguay, does their general left wing politics matter more to the morality of their football team than their forward who has been banned for racially offensive language and biting other players? That football team was itself being used as in a political game, so tbf the lines are very blurred in that one. Part of the reason UEFA didn't upset Hungary is because they were going to potentially move the semi finals and final there. Football and politics forever intertwined. But could be worse, could be talking about Grealish. Again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Well this has escalated overnight. Just trying to enjoy England’s good fortune with the draw and the fact that it’s definitely coming home now, and you’re all arguing about Hungary’s equality fails and Uruguay’s politics. Well done lads, way to kill the mood. Tbf, no one is seriously arguing about Uruguayan politics. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: That football team was itself being used as in a political game, so tbf the lines are very blurred in that one. Part of the reason UEFA didn't upset Hungary is because they were going to potentially move the semi finals and final there. Football and politics forever intertwined. But could be worse, could be talking about Grealish. Again. Well sure, but didn't Gulasci release a statement in favour of equality once the law came in? The mayor of Budapest is one of Orban's bigger opponents according to Football Weekly so the crowd are presumably more likely to be anti-Orban unless the city's residents avoid the stadium. Our government is right wing but one of our squad campaigned against it. I just think there is nuance being missed when cheering their elimination with glee. Football doesn't have to either be 0% political or 100% political. Edit: this is also a German side who was criticised for racial bias/discrimination when two players were supportive (very personally in one case) with OTF favourite Erdogan. Edited June 24, 2021 by The_jagster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, The_jagster said: Well sure, but didn't Gulasci release a statement in favour of equality once the law came in? The mayor of Budapest is one of Orban's bigger opponents according to Football Weekly so the crowd are presumably more likely to be anti-Orban unless the city's residents avoid the stadium. Our government is right wing but one of our squad campaigned against it. I just think there is nuance being missed when cheering their elimination with glee. Football doesn't have to either be 0% political or 100% political. Yeah, its never binary, at all. I think it's more taking Hungary out was being seen as taking away Orbans drive to be welcomed, either way that ship has sailed and he's clearly welcomed by UEFA. Yeah mayor is anti Orban, and anti Blackshirts, but not huge amounts he or residents can do because you don't **** with Orban, not that he doesn't try to do things anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marius_R Posted June 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, The_jagster said: There is a difference between acknowledging the political story behind football and the childish extension of a football team as a government representative side. I'll use Uruguay, does their general left wing politics matter more to the morality of their football team than their forward who has been banned for racially offensive language and biting other players? This really. People were calling the Hungary team "nazis" last night ffs, and on multiple occasions. And why? Because of a minority of idiots that create trouble everywhere they go. They're 26 players representing their country, not Orban, not the Hungarian governement. They didn't come out with shirts supporting Orban or the recently passed anti-LGBT law, to have people rip into them, they, I say again, represented ther country in a European Championship. And as someone that has spent his entire lifetime living together with Hungarian ethnics, I can tell you they were damn proud of doing that, and the behavior of their dickhead ultras and their joke of a governement shouldn't be held against them. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Marius_R said: This really. People were calling the Hungary team "nazis" last night ffs, and on multiple occasions. And why? Because of a minority of idiots that create trouble everywhere they go. They're 26 players representing their country, not Orban, not the Hungarian governement. They didn't come out with shirts supporting Orban or the recently passed anti-LGBT law, to have people rip into them, they, I say again, represented ther country in a European Championship. And as someone that has spent his entire lifetime living together with Hungarian ethnics, I can tell you they were damn proud of doing that, and the behavior of their dickhead ultras and their joke of a governement shouldn't be held against them. I'd agree with that, Gulasci could have kept quiet but went and made a clear point. I also wonder how much of it is actually a frustration that UEFA bottled it slightly, and that's been aimed at Hungary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Marius_R said: This really. People were calling the Hungary team "nazis" last night ffs, and on multiple occasions. And why? Because of a minority of idiots that create trouble everywhere they go. They're 26 players representing their country, not Orban, not the Hungarian governement. They didn't come out with shirts supporting Orban or the recently passed anti-LGBT law, to have people rip into them, they, I say again, represented ther country in a European Championship. And as someone that has spent his entire lifetime living together with Hungarian ethnics, I can tell you they were damn proud of doing that, and the behavior of their dickhead ultras and their joke of a governement shouldn't be held against them. Hear hear. The nazi comments were disgraceful. Some people want to be seen on the right side so badly they overcompensate and get it badly wrong 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I wonder if this has ever happened before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I think only one user actually called them Nazis tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said: I wonder if this has ever happened before This is an excellent rubbish fact, approve of this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, The_jagster said: I think only one user actually called them Nazis tbf Who was that? That's a hell of a terrible claim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carambau Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Heartwork said: Thank **** the nazis are going out This user? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Venezuela would be popular surely? I'd be supporting Colombia because I have friends there who bought me a shirt. Easy choice. I’ve got a Colombia shirt with Falcao on the back that I wore at the World Cup 2014. And then he didn’t even play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, Weezer said: I’ve got a Colombia shirt with Falcao on the back that I wore at the World Cup 2014. And then he didn’t even play Same actually. I loved him at Atletico. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Let's aw just shake hawns and move on! We're aww ***** tae somebody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said: Same actually. I loved him at Atletico. Made me a lot of new Colombian friends when I wore it to games. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Hear hear. The nazi comments were disgraceful. Some people want to be seen on the right side so badly they overcompensate and get it badly wrong Tbf your reply wasn't great either. Don't think either Hungary nor Germany should be referred to as Nazis 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, Weezer said: Made me a lot of new Colombian friends when I wore it to games. They weren’t Colombians, they just wanted your stash of coke 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, themadsheep2001 said: Tbf your reply wasn't great either. Don't think either Hungary nor Germany should be referred to as Nazis I mean it was clearly a joke in response to how stupid the post was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: I mean it was clearly a joke in response to how stupid the post was Insufferable righties! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, Tikka Mezzala said: Insufferable righties! Oof! I'll take the light hearted jibe for what it is, but please, I am a boring lib dem centrist that would make Kier Starmer look interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Hear hear. The nazi comments were disgraceful. Some people want to be seen on the right side so badly they overcompensate and get it badly wrong Who wants to be on the right side? Left is where it's at! Right and wrong it's all the same to me Thick as thieves as far as I can see They are leeches all (Architects) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Talk about Nazis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Oof! I'll take the light hearted jibe for what it is, but please, I am a boring lib dem centrist that would make Kier Starmer look interesting Yer awright in my books, Wiggins! I have no excuses. I am indeed an insufferable leftie. Well, I'm actually more mild mannered than a lot of my contemporaries. A bit too sarky sometimes, admittedly. But I'm definitely not the wee arsehole I was years ago, challenging every **** that was to the right of Kropotkin. I've even read some Edmund Burke and John Stuart Mill since then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, DJ said: Who wants to be on the right side? Left is where it's at! Right and wrong it's all the same to me Thick as thieves as far as I can see They are leeches all (Architects) DJ is a leftie! Noted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Rob1981 said: Well this has escalated overnight. Just trying to enjoy England’s good fortune with the draw and the fact that it’s definitely coming home now, and you’re all arguing about Hungary’s equality fails and Uruguay’s politics. Well done lads, way to kill the mood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, SouthCoastRed said: They weren’t Colombians, they just wanted your stash of coke Everybody knows Bolivia has the best coke anyway. Source: A Bolivian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Weezer said: Everybody knows Bolivia has the best cheapest coke anyway. Fixed that for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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