VamPook Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Sarabia is horrible as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I think Spain’s problem is a difficult fix. You can’t say it’s 1 single issue that replacing player X with player Y would solve (at least not without a David Villa in reserve). They've played pretty well overall I think in every area without being amazing. How do you improve that quickly? They've got some decent/good players, but no outstanding players. I think they're playing alright too, but the problem with good players that you don't get with outstanding players is exactly what you see here - they're slow to see the forward pass, they miss chances. All their players are at a similar level. You can't say, for example, Oyarzabal is that much worse, if at all, than Moreno or Ferran Torrres or Olmo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, MIR17 said: No, they did nothing except dominate world football for 6 years. 4-6-8 whatever Math was never my thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I guess the 'danger' with Spain is that they might have a match where a few of their good players just catch fire and play unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Wow. Spain with only 2 points. Who'd have thunk it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, craigcwwe said: That's another nation we can rule out for winning this then. unless we have a time machine, I don't think anyone thought Spain would win the tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Paulo Sousa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 So are Italy the champions now then? Because France lost it v Hungary and Spain can't possibly win this thing now they've drawn both of their games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, MIR17 said: No, they did nothing except dominate world football for 6 years. They deserved all 3 wins, but they could've easily had 0. Penalty series in 2008 and 2010. Robben missing a sitter and disgusting refereeing in 2012 when they should've been out in the group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, craigcwwe said: That's another nation we can rule out for winning this then. Basically everyone outside of Italy has looked horrific at times. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 This really screws up my UEFA predictor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthrax Dave Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 WP Polska Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: So are Italy the champions now then? Because France lost it v Hungary and Spain can't possibly win this thing now they've drawn both of their games. Maybe Germany are on the winners list again after their win earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said: Robben missing a sitter and disgusting refereeing in 2010 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I think the simple thing is, there isnt a really great international team. Its a bunch of good teams and a bunch of hard working teams and little else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: So are Italy the champions now then? Because France lost it v Hungary and Spain can't possibly win this thing now they've drawn both of their games. Italy, Holland and Belgium all won both their games. So got to be one of those three, everyone else is out iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Rio's at it too. Expecting this Spain to be identical to the 2008-2012 era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, Haguey said: Maybe Germany are on the winners list again after their win earlier. but they lost to France, who drew with Hungary, who lost to Portugal, who just lost to Germany. I am very confused 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 "Hard work beats talent if talent dosent work hard" Thats how the tournament is going. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Astafjevs said: They've got some decent/good players, but no outstanding players. I think they're playing alright too, but the problem with good players that you don't get with outstanding players is exactly what you see here - they're slow to see the forward pass, they miss chances. All their players are at a similar level. You can't say, for example, Oyarzabal is that much worse, if at all, than Moreno or Ferran Torrres or Olmo. Yep 100% agree. Not to go all British cliché here but they’re easy to play against too. Xavi would have absolutely murdered Poland with his passing today - people forget how incisive he was when he was given even a second of time to pick one out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, Rob1981 said: Italy, Holland and Belgium all won both their games. So got to be one of those three, everyone else is out iirc. Holland unconvincing, but I forgot about Belgium in fairness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, ajw10 said: So are Italy the champions now then? Because France lost it v Hungary and Spain can't possibly win this thing now they've drawn both of their games. Yeah, may as well give Italy the trophy now. Bizarrely think Denmark have been the 2nd best team. Battered both Finland and Belgium but lost both games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Can't believe Poland didn't settle for "just being here" either. The bloody cheek. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 My predictions have been an absolute mess today. French win... nope. Draw. Close contest in Munich... nope. Germany win 4-2. Spanish rout... nope. Draw. I've got Italy down to beat Wales 2-0 tomorrow, so put all your money on a score draw and a Spinazzola own goal ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: Holland unconvincing, but I forgot about Belgium in fairness Belgium should've lost about 7-2 to Denmark though tbf. Was one of the most one-sided games of the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, Pukey said: Basically everyone outside of Italy has looked horrific at times. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 BBC blaming Morata for missing the rebound and not Moreno for missing the penalty is an interesting tactic. Definitely not agenda driven 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, Smallen said: I've never been so sure that it was coming home, and I was already sure. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, MIR17 said: Belgium should've lost about 7-2 to Denmark though tbf. Was one of the most one-sided games of the tournament. I missed that game. I believe it changed when KdB came on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 It's coming home alright, but where's home? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Paulo Sousa played for Juve. He knows how to instill DETERMINATION. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Could actually see Spain getting knocked out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: I missed that game. I believe it changed when KdB came on? They were poor but scored two sensational team goals with KDB heavily involved in both. That’s what he brings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I didn't think it was an easy chance for Morata from the penalty. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 No Lineker, that rebound is not easier than scoring a ****ing penalty. Idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, Astafjevs said: I didn't think it was an easy chance for Morata from the penalty. Agreed. Came at him fast and at an awkward height Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, ajw10 said: I missed that game. I believe it changed when KdB came on? For about 10 minutes yeah, then Denmark went back to dominating them. Belgium definitely looked very beatable in that game. As others have said, I think there's a bunch of good teams in this year but no real standout team who look like overwhelming favourites like Spain in 2010 or Germany 2014 were. Everyone looks very beatable in a one off game. Except for Italy, but I'm not convinced they've been properly tested yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MIR17 said: Yeah, may as well give Italy the trophy now. Bizarrely think Denmark have been the 2nd best team. Battered both Finland and Belgium but lost both games. Nah, Denmark were good in midfield and let down by their forward players not being that good, they were almost all half-chances rather than bad misses. Their only goal was a blunder by Denayer in the pass and movement. Losing both games was harsh but they aren't great. Spain were worse than against Sweden imo, they had fewer clear cut chances and the penalty was not really earned either, just fortunate. Edited June 19, 2021 by The_jagster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: I didn't think it was an easy chance for Morata from the penalty. No, if it goes in they are praising a really good finish and if he misses it's terrible, it bounces just in front of him too. There is a lot of lazy punditry where the same chance is a great finish/poor miss depending on the outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The_jagster said: Nah, Denmark were good in midfield and let down by their forward players not being that good, they were almost all half-chances rather than bad misses. Their only goal was a blunder by Denayer in the pass and movement. Losing both games was harsh but they aren't great. Spain were worse than against Sweden imo, they had fewer clear cut chances and the penalty was not really earned either, just fortunate. Tbf, I know xG is controversial, but Denmark have the most dominant xG of the tournament so far Denmark 2.05 xG (0-1) 0.39 xG Finland Denmark 2.24 xG (1-2) 0.79 xG Belgium Think if they keep up these performances they'll do alright. Can't see them winning but could see them getting to the quarters or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I don't get why Enrique even picked Adama in the squad, in what circumstances does he intend to use him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, MIR17 said: Tbf, I know xG is controversial, but Denmark have the most dominant xG of the tournament so far Denmark 2.05 xG (0-1) 0.39 xG Finland Denmark 2.24 xG (1-2) 0.79 xG Belgium Think if they keep up these performances they'll do alright. Can't see them winning but could see them getting to the quarters or so. Didn't they have 40 shots across both games? So that's a penalty and lots and lots of low percentage chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Denmark didn't really create anything yeah, it was more telling for Belgium that a team with decent attackers will slaughter them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Pukey said: Basically everyone outside of Italy has looked horrific at times. Italy have looked the best team so far yeah. I was thinking about this earlier though, have they peaked too early? 20 minutes ago, Haguey said: Maybe Germany are on the winners list again after their win earlier. Football fans eh? Fickle bunch. 15 minutes ago, DJ said: It's coming home alright, but where's home? We created the beautiful game. It's ours and we're taking it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpole Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 my country was get stuck in this whole match, cracking result though, could've been better I think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 win in their last 8 tournament games for Spain, that’s madness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Well done England, you've achieved your dream of playing like Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 14 hours ago, craigcwwe said: Italy have looked the best team so far yeah. I was thinking about this earlier though, have they peaked too early? Football fans eh? Fickle bunch. We created the beautiful game. It's ours and we're taking it back. The "beautiful" game was a Queen's Park invention Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Nice result for Poland, who really gave a good fight. And Spain hasen't progressed at all since the last World Cup. All the possession in the world, and little result to show from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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