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To My Narod Slaski

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First of all I want to give my thanks to a certain few people who helped create this save.

@Bigpole

for his fantastic polish league database, without this the save simply couldn't happen. Great work and greatly appreciated.

Michael Itner

@Michael Itner Aka Riddler on steam. I'm sure this is his identity.

for all of his fantastic databases which allowed me to create a vast eastern European database for the save. 

@Rikulec 

for answering my one million questions about Polish, football and running by my countless attempts to find the right manager.

@Cheez3y

for his OFK Beograd save which helped inspire me to do my second eastern Europe that i will write about.

@_Ben_, @Sheriff7, @13th Man, @Hootieleece 

all for inspiring different elements that I will add to improve my writing.

Think that captures everyone who played a part along with a polish guy from my work. if anyone else comes into ill be sure to thank there input.

The database

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Safe to say I have all the bases covered this time around. I have all of the nations from eastern Europe that are in close proximity of Poland, but also this time I have added major nations playable as well therefore if I need manager progression I can move to Europe's elite clubs. A few people on the Odd save had asked me about moving club. I tend to be a one club man but now have the option if it presents itself.

The Club - Ruch Chorzow

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Ruch Chorzów were founded in 1920, turbulent times in eastern Upper Silesia. 'We're not German; We're not Polish; We're Silesian.'  This is a common refrain from members of the Silesian minority in the industrial region of Upper Silesia in southern Poland this is especially true to the Psycho fans of Ruch Chorzow. "that the newly emerging concept of a Silesian 'nation' receives its most concrete support from the terraces of Ruch Chorzów, where, over the last few years, provocative banners have been displayed, reading slogans such as 'To My Naród Śląski' (It's Us, the Silesian Nation); 'Oberschlesien' (Upper Silesia - in German); and even on one occasion, 'Dziś Kosovo: Jutro Śląsk' (Today Kosovo: Tomorrow Silesia)."

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Warsaw might be Poland’s capital and its most successful footballing city in recent decades with Poznan, with their odd title, as its main rival, but historically both are in the shadow of Silesia (Śląsk). This isn’t simply down to the fact that the two main clubs in Silesia, Ruch Chorzów and Górnik Zabrze have won the most championship trophies either. 

The Katowice conglomeration is home to a number of clubs plying their trade in the top tier. But when Silesia was the country’s richest region under communism it regularly had six clubs at a time in the top tier - Ruch, Górnik, GKS Katowice, Polonia Bytom and Szombierki Bytom and Zagłębie Sosnowiec. Now all but Gornik and Piast play their football outside the top tier.

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In 1989, the top three teams were Ruch Chorzów, GKS Katowice and Górnik Zabrze. Amazingly, since the collapse of communism in the same year, no team from Upper Silesia has won the league. However, Śląsk is still regarded as the country’s footballing ‘hot-bed’ despite not a single league title having returned here since 1989. This demise is captured all to well by Ruch Chorzow who have 14 polish titles a record equal to main rival Gornik and Legia if you include this years title in real life, who now play in Poland's 4th tier.

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A decorated trophy cabinet cast against a downward spiral in league history. This is mainly down to financial mismanagement. The club has, for a while now, suffered from financial problems, but it was the hefty loans taken out by president Dariusz Smagorowicz during their final season in the Ekstraklasa which finally saw the issue finally begin to spiral out of control. Even the forced sale of a number of key players over the last few years has failed to keep the bailiffs at bay. As the rest of the III Lifa started their 2019/20 season this weekend, Ruch were nowhere to be seen. Their opening two games, against Zagłębie II Lubin and Rekord Bielsko-Biała, have been delayed by at least a month, while striking administration staff were joined last month by striking playing staff – some of whom theoretically are now in a position to legally terminate their contracts with the club.

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Major task on my hands to rebuild the damage done, but it really gives another edge to the save and increases the difficulty off the task, unlike at Odd where I had become financially the strongest team in Norway very quickly, I think here it’s going to steady growth with a lot of balancing acts.

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One of the main things that drew me into Ruch of course was their fall from grace, but also their rivalries. We have the Silesian battles to look forward to. Gornik is a real highlight due to both clubs success as leading titles in Poland, Katowice is the capital of Silesia, so this is another great spectacle to look forward to. There are plenty derbies as well something am extremely passionate about coming from a city that only has two teams in it, I know how great these games matter. But another rivalry is another one to get excited about for a few reasons.

The closest Ruch have come to winning the league since 1989 (the most recent Upper Silesian team to do so) was in the 2011-12 season, when they finished second, a point behind surprise winners Śląsk Wrocław (based in Lower Silesia, the formerly German area which is now predominantly Polish). Third placed Legia Warszawa had led the league for most of the season, including at Easter when they hosted Ruch Chorzów with just a point separating the two teams and six matches left to play.

An unlikely away win for Ruch would have made them huge title contenders and, as we have seen, this would have gone a long way towards restoring regional pride. A 15th league title would have seen Ruch move clear of local rivals Górnik Zabrze to become the most successful team in Polish football outright. Since 1989, both teams have been tied on 14 league titles each.

Adding extra spice to this match was the political dimension, with fans of Legia Warszawa (the army team) widely seen as ultra-loyal Polish nationalists, If Ruch Chorzów are the 'Polish Barcelona' then Legia Warszawa are the 'Polish Real Madrid'

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Facilities are below average in every area. The stadium is in ruin but there is more to it than that. The new stadium in Chorzów, promised by mayor Andrzej Kotala back in 2013, still hasn't come to fruition. Using one of the oldest stadia across professional football in Poland, Ruch had a major disadvantage in recent years and some reasons for not starting the new build are puzzling if not dubious. So they have been massively let down on that front and the fans regularly protested.

The academy for its average nature has produced some talents recently

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Grabara was sold to Liverpool in 2015 for 250k he has potential to become polish number one.

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Bargiel was sold to Milan for 300k but failed to make the grade and has declined but shows there is potential to make money.

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Bogusz went to Leeds for 180k and really looks a fine player and a real bargain for them.

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The last example of recent times is this young man who was snapped up from the youth team last season.

The Aims

Short term goals are to repair the clubs damaged finances and get it back on a level footing. Of course climbing the tables is an immediate goal as well as beating all my Silesian rivals on the way. rising up the leagues will only help the money situation. Along with growing the academy players, buying bargain or potential players and selling them on for profits. I had thought about going for only Silesian players but it limits the realism so I have no restrictions.

After reaching the top its all about regaining the title of Poland's most successful club, The issue there is legia, Wisla and Gornik have a massive advantage to gather more titles before Ruch even have a chance of adding which adds to the overall goal. The race is on....

European football is always the holy grail, as it stands quarter finals is a best for us, in both Europa and Champions league.  After eliminating West Germany's Wuppertaler SV, East Germany's FC Carl Zeiss Jena, and Hungary's Budapest Honvéd FC, they reached the quarterfinals. There, they fell to Feyenoord, with the Dutch side going on that season to win the trophy.  Ruch's best season ever, which was almost matched next year, when the Chorzów club won their 12th Championship, reaching once again the quarterfinals of a UEFA competition, this time the European Cup, today's Champions League. So I think I have to really push Europe in the long term, no eastern European team has won the UCL since 1991 when Red Star won it.

Finally I would like to deliver the new stadium that was promised to these die hard fans from the industrial heart of Poland its the least I can do. all of this coupled with the desired playing style which ill cover in the next update should keep me going until FM22

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Welcome to the 4th Silesian uprising!

Research

As always I invest a lot of time in my team choice ive tried to cover as much without going on to much. I will add my small findings for further reading for anyone who cares to delve more into this fallen polish giants history, political views, glory years and the tragic fall.

Ruch Chorzów SA (Ruch Chorzow FC) history (footballhistory.org)

Silesian Football (inyourpocket.com)

The 100-year Itch: Ruch Chorzów’s battle for survival – Piłka.UK – Polska piłka po angielsku (home.blog)

THE 'POLISH BARCELONA': THIS IS RUCH CHORZÓW — IBWM (inbedwithmaradona.com)

Poland: Total disaster in Chorzów? Not yet, but close – StadiumDB.com

Up Next

Ill be back with my manager choice, something again I put a lot into as @Rikulec now knows only to well :lol:

I don't want to drag this post out so ill cover that and the squad and potential tactics in the next update.

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You’re back with another career! This one sounds quite interesting, both from the challenge of turning the club around and all the rivalries and politics. Even if the politics can’t really show up in game, Ive learned from my Livorno save that it can certainly add depth to the narrative.
I’m looking forward to learning more about Polish football and now I’ve already learned about the Silesia region and it’s unique identity in Poland.

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5 hours ago, 13th Man said:

You’re back with another career! This one sounds quite interesting, both from the challenge of turning the club around and all the rivalries and politics. Even if the politics can’t really show up in game, Ive learned from my Livorno save that it can certainly add depth to the narrative.
I’m looking forward to learning more about Polish football and now I’ve already learned about the Silesia region and it’s unique identity in Poland.

Thanks! Yeah I love to learn as much as possible about the club. And all the politics and rivalry’s are key to the background of the club. 
On a side note my last Easter European save from last years game was Banik Ostrava another Silesian team! 
 

1 hour ago, Sheriff7 said:

Welcome back.;)

Thanks as always mate 👍🏻

 

8 minutes ago, deltablue said:

Interesting idea.

Thanks. I like my fallen giants. But this one has me really excited due to the depth I’ve been able to add from the research. I haven’t even got to the stage of showing the manager permutations and how that’s increased rivalry as well and also made the challenge more testing 

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As a Polish-American I will be following this very closely, while most people are aware of the politics of the Silesian region, I didn't realize the striking similarities between Ruch Chorzow, Athletic Bilbao, and Barcelona. I hope you will make something of these links in this save. I'm really looking forward to how this goes!

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Interested as always in your work.

I have continued playing the Grenoble save, but moved clubs and brought Nesselquist Ball to Torino in Italy. I just don't have the time to write.

But I will probably start another "Career" after school finishes for the year and I get grading done. 

Until then I will await updates with much impatience!

 

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Great to see the thread finally up, especially knowing how much thought and research you've put into this. Best of luck mate!

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2 hours ago, Fudal said:

As a Polish-American I will be following this very closely, while most people are aware of the politics of the Silesian region, I didn't realize the striking similarities between Ruch Chorzow, Athletic Bilbao, and Barcelona. I hope you will make something of these links in this save. I'm really looking forward to how this goes!

Glad to hear that! I will try my best to do so! There policy isn’t as strict as bilabo as am not limited to only Silesian players but there is of-course a heavy bias towards them which I’ll do my best to recreate. 

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12 minutes ago, Rikulec said:

Great to see the thread finally up, especially knowing how much thought and research you've put into this. Best of luck mate!

Thanks very much! Well after all my questions and queries you have known it’s been in the waiting for a while. There is only one surprise coning for you. 

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14 hours ago, SixPointer said:

Thanks! Yeah I love to learn as much as possible about the club. And all the politics and rivalry’s are key to the background of the club. 
On a side note my last Easter European save from last years game was Banik Ostrava another Silesian team! 

Definitely deepens the immersion when you get into the history etc.  And yeah, I'm only a recent regular on the site (I think I started lurking on the tactics board right around your Atalanta tactics thread mid COVID, not sure) so Odd was the first career of yours that I followed...and I was even late to that.

14 hours ago, Fudal said:

As a Polish-American I will be following this very closely, while most people are aware of the politics of the Silesian region, I didn't realize the striking similarities between Ruch Chorzow, Athletic Bilbao, and Barcelona. I hope you will make something of these links in this save. I'm really looking forward to how this goes!

Well, I guess I'm not most people!  I'm generally knowledgeable about history, but I'm realizing that Eastern Europe is my blank spot when it comes to both history and geography...Now I get to learn more even than I expected from this thread.  (In case this comes off as passive aggressive - because internets - it's really not!)

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1 minute ago, 13th Man said:

Well, I guess I'm not most people!  I'm generally knowledgeable about history, but I'm realizing that Eastern Europe is my blank spot when it comes to both history and geography...Now I get to learn more even than I expected from this thread.  (In case this comes off as passive aggressive - because internets - it's really not!)

I meant that most people of Polish descent know about Silesian politics, but don't worry you didn't come off as passive aggressive! 

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55 minutes ago, 13th Man said:

Definitely deepens the immersion when you get into the history etc.  And yeah, I'm only a recent regular on the site (I think I started lurking on the tactics board right around your Atalanta tactics thread mid COVID, not sure) so Odd was the first career of yours that I followed...and I was even late to that.

Well, I guess I'm not most people!  I'm generally knowledgeable about history, but I'm realizing that Eastern Europe is my blank spot when it comes to both history and geography...Now I get to learn more even than I expected from this thread.  (In case this comes off as passive aggressive - because internets - it's really not!)

Well this style off football coming up will be a little different to Odd

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46 minutes ago, nie jem frytek said:

Yeah the date of the article I used caught me out there!! Pardon me and I apologise to all PIAST FANS. I didn’t mean any detriment to there achievement!  I did find research of Silesian football pretty scarce considering how successful it is. but I do apologise for this 🙃

 

 

4 hours ago, karanhsingh said:

Interesting concept, best of luck with this!

thanks very much  

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12 hours ago, john1 said:

Good luck :D Will keep a close eye on this :thup: 

Thanks my man should hopefully have a update out tomorrow with a manager choice 

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I love when people from europe put an effort to do a polish save (like secondyellowcard did with building a nation with polonia warszawa) so huge respect with doing all the research.

The club you've chosen it's perfect for fallen giant type of save, top 3 in all-time polish table, club with really good reputation and decent facilities and fantastic potential (competitive region and clubs nearby).

They had 3 consecutive relegations from top tier to 4th tier so it's quite remarkable really.

And in Chorzow there is former national stadium - Stadion Śląski, former home of polish national football. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Stadium

 

And I'd add two more former players to the mix 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michał_Helik current Barnsley starter, current international (atm rotation rather than first team but with decent potential)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Warzycha - known poland due to him being Ekstraklasa top scorer in 88/89  in Ruch's shirt, but he's a Panathinaikos legend, their top scorer and probably one of the best foreigners to play there. Unfortunately, he wasn't really that good in national team which is a shame really.

His most iconic goal

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1 hour ago, Bigpole said:

I love when people from europe put an effort to do a polish save (like secondyellowcard did with building a nation with polonia warszawa) so huge respect with doing all the research.

The club you've chosen it's perfect for fallen giant type of save, top 3 in all-time polish table, club with really good reputation and decent facilities and fantastic potential (competitive region and clubs nearby).

They had 3 consecutive relegations from top tier to 4th tier so it's quite remarkable really.

And in Chorzow there is former national stadium - Stadion Śląski, former home of polish national football. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Stadium

 

And I'd add two more former players to the mix 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michał_Helik current Barnsley starter, current international (atm rotation rather than first team but with decent potential)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Warzycha - known poland due to him being Ekstraklasa top scorer in 88/89  in Ruch's shirt, but he's a Panathinaikos legend, their top scorer and probably one of the best foreigners to play there. Unfortunately, he wasn't really that good in national team which is a shame really.

His most iconic goal

I always invest a lot of time in my club choice and research. I had fancied ruch on FM20 but opted for Banik Ostrava due to a trip I took to the Czech Republic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Warzycha I’m sure I read somewhere that the fans turned against him as he wanted money due to him during a crisis time with moneys. I heard the  psycho fans weren’t best pleased. 

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The 4th Uprising - To My Narod Slaski

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Manager News

I really put a lot of effort it’s this part of my start up. I strive for as much realism as possible throughout the game. Therefore, I always play as a real-life manager rather than create a fictional character. I take some time trying to find someone that matches the ideals and plans for the save ahead, then edit that real person out of the game and match them as best of my ability when making my manager. I also use the editor to create real life scenarios to move the current manager out of the way if he has been successful the season before. Special thanks to @Rikulec who helped vastly here but in the end he is in for a surprise also...

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Skra Czestochowa have relieved the manager of his duties.......

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Lukasz Bereta finished 3rd last season with Ruch Chorzow, narrowly missing promotion some feat from a 29 year old in his first season at the helm. This however has done enough to secure a move up a division and a small move north. His assistant who has been with him throughout his short manager career has joined him. Ruch were compensated 20K which is what they would get after my research off trying to hire him.

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As you can see its not a long journey. Keeping himself within the Silesian Voivodeship. Not a direct rival to Ruch, however the bigger club of Czestochowa, Rakow are a rival so. The reason I made this club choice for him to go to was geographical and also performance based as Skra had a poor second season after promotion into the second division so it was time for a freshen up.

Now who is the man to fill the void......

The search actually took a ridiculous amount of time so much so that I considered playing as the current manager. A few key things I was looking for :

  • Silesian born or at least had ties to the club in the past, or even another Silesian club
  • A good age to be taking on this kind of task anything over 40 was out. I tied in with the clubs pervious young appointment
  • A good attribute spread to suit the football I wanted to play but still with work to be done
  • Someone who already had manager experience
  • Not from higher up in the leagues due to being unrealistic

Doesn't seem a lot to ask for, well you would be surprised at the shortage of candidates. Some ex players looked good ideas before digging deeper. Then I settled for a manager who was mentioned as favourite for the job but he had very little Silesian ties which made me abandon the save. The main reason being when looking at a striker at a club in the division I checked the manager and found someone who ticked everything.

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Manager Info

This guy ticks nearly every box, think the only thing missing was he never played for Ruch Chorzow. Nice attribute spread along with the correct level of coaching badges. He played almost his whole career at one club and almost the whole time in upper Silesia. A former lower league striker who turned caretaker manager the under 18 then first team its already a nice progression.

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Born in nearby Knurow he is no stranger to goings on in the region and the significance of football here. A small 18 minute drive would have him at the home of Ruch Chorzow. Also in the picture is Rybnik which is where he has spent most of his footballing life. A town well know for its coal mining exploits and energy sources is shares many of the same kind of people as Chorzow.

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Almost like for like, A few tweaks had to be done to make it work, on the coaching side the goalkeeping is superior. On the mental side both knowledge brackets are probably higher than what I would imagine his to be. But you have to use up the points so best I can do.

Playing Style

I had a few ideas here but seeing as Odd was more a counter attacking type of style I thought well its time to test myself in other ways. So am looking to play possession football, I don't want to nail it down to tiki taka am more going down the root towards total football.  A few reasons I want to try implicate positional play there for creating overloads, rotations of positions etc. I don't want to replicate Pep but of course he is the master of it as much as I admire his style when I play I tend do go more Kloppish. Coupled with all this I plan on being more detailed with my training, and player development I usually keep this to myself and instead keep to a story now I plan on showing more of how I play the game much like I do with my tactics. Training wise am going to try follow tactical periodisation coupled with my usual individual regimes along with this am going to try and create a club DNA much like I did at Heerenveen.

  • First touch
  • Passing
  • Technique
  • Anticipation
  • Composure 
  • Decisions
  • Off The Ball
  • Teamwork
  • Vison
  • Balance

These will be the key attributes I desire for every player, now of course in the polish 4th tier their will have to be some room for manoeuvre. The level wont be blessed with complete players, but I feel it adds to the challenge and the story as the leagues are climbed the style improves and leads us to becoming the best technically gifted football side in Poland which @Rikulec stated isn't well know for teams playing this certain way bar a small showing from Lech Poznan. I don't have any systems as off yet but I have a few ideas noted down.

What is Positional Play? - YouTube

What is Positional Play? – Breaking The Lines

Positional Play & The Third Man Concept (developingthefuture.club)

» Understanding the Tactical Periodization Methodology (spielverlagerung.com)

What is Tactical Periodisation? - YouTube

These resources will be quoted and screenshotted throughout the save when it comes to specific aspects of the save.

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Great Stuff!

Nesselquist ball is alive and well in Italy....

Slovakia is my next updates destination for which I should start posting sometime this week.

Training is important. Are you going the "Luzern" route?

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I’ve been away from FM for a week or so and have missed this but…wow. A wonderful opening. Personally, with not a huge amount of time left on the ‘FM cycle,’ I couldn’t get as involved as you have here! Will be following with interest. 

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I played in Poland on an earlier FM a while ago now, and one of the things I built up was getting Poland to have 3 Champions League spots. I left Poland when all my star players wouldn’t resign, leaving me short of getting the 4th spot. Was trying to overtake either France or Portugal in 5th (can’t remember who now).

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6 hours ago, Hootieleece said:

Great Stuff!

Nesselquist ball is alive and well in Italy....

Slovakia is my next updates destination for which I should start posting sometime this week.

Training is important. Are you going the "Luzern" route?

The plan is to play low tempo anti nesselball. 
 

Luzern definitely gave inspiration to the training idea. Also the slight tweak in the writing style. 

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3 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

I’ve been away from FM for a week or so and have missed this but…wow. A wonderful opening. Personally, with not a huge amount of time left on the ‘FM cycle,’ I couldn’t get as involved as you have here! Will be following with interest. 

Well Odd had went bored on me. The plan is to update less frequently but with more key information so I can keep up game speed. 

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2 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

I played in Poland on an earlier FM a while ago now, and one of the things I built up was getting Poland to have 3 Champions League spots. I left Poland when all my star players wouldn’t resign, leaving me short of getting the 4th spot. Was trying to overtake either France or Portugal in 5th (can’t remember who now).

It’s somewhere I’ve long looked into so am no ready to give it a good go. Sounds like you had done well with it! 

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