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How should I add TIs to make my Trequartista player more effective in existing lineups?

It is primarily about the setup of roles and duties. Instructions are of secondary importance and come later. 

Of all the 3 tactics you posted, only the 4231 looks decent in terms of roles and duties (apart from the attack duty for the keeper). However, the tight marking TI makes no sense in that kind of both formation and playing style.

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If you are looking to build your tactic around a Trequartista, we need to understand which the strength and weaknesses of that role are. 

In attacking phase, the Trequartista is a highly mobile, creative playmaker. He is both operating between the lines of midfield and defense, as well as making runs to overload the box occasionally. To make him the most effective, you need to create depth, to even further stretch the space between the lines and ideally pull central defenders out of position.

How does this translate into the game: The best option is an attack duty striker to create depth who is instructed to move into channles to pull central defenders out of position. A support duty striker can also pull defenders out of position by dropping deep and moving into channels, but he will most likely operate in the same area of the pitch as the Trequartista and will compress the space between the lines rather than creating depth, which is not optimal.

In defensive phase, the trequartista will press signifficantly less and stays on his feet. To make your system work defensively you need to create an environment which allows your team to complement the trequartista in his deefnsive behavior. It doesnt really make sense to look for a highly intensive press in a high block, if one of your upfield players is not participating. To the fact of the Trequartistas unwilligness for hard defensive work, you may look to implement a more intelligent approach where players rather contain and try to delay the others team attack while congesting space in front of their goal. 

How does this translate into the game: This behavior can be implementet by a mid or lower defensive block and a lower pressing intensity. In addition to that you may also want your team to stay on feet to not risk any freekicks from dangerous positions. 

Just one more general thing regarding your choice of mentality. Always keep in mind, which pre set settings come with your mentality. Unless you are looking to primarily defend / rest with the ball, you should at least go with a balanced mentality.

 

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10 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

It is primarily about the setup of roles and duties. Instructions are of secondary importance and come later. 

Of all the 3 tactics you posted, only the 4231 looks decent in terms of roles and duties (apart from the attack duty for the keeper). However, the tight marking TI makes no sense in that kind of both formation and playing style.

As a first tactic, I usually play with 4-2-3-1. I am not sure about the roles in others. In 4-2-3-1, when I use the instruction while having the ball, I feel it loses its effectiveness. Do you have any Ti suggestions for this line-up?

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9 hours ago, CARRERA said:

If you are looking to build your tactic around a Trequartista, we need to understand which the strength and weaknesses of that role are. 

In attacking phase, the Trequartista is a highly mobile, creative playmaker. He is both operating between the lines of midfield and defense, as well as making runs to overload the box occasionally. To make him the most effective, you need to create depth, to even further stretch the space between the lines and ideally pull central defenders out of position.

How does this translate into the game: The best option is an attack duty striker to create depth who is instructed to move into channles to pull central defenders out of position. A support duty striker can also pull defenders out of position by dropping deep and moving into channels, but he will most likely operate in the same area of the pitch as the Trequartista and will compress the space between the lines rather than creating depth, which is not optimal.

In defensive phase, the trequartista will press signifficantly less and stays on his feet. To make your system work defensively you need to create an environment which allows your team to complement the trequartista in his deefnsive behavior. It doesnt really make sense to look for a highly intensive press in a high block, if one of your upfield players is not participating. To the fact of the Trequartistas unwilligness for hard defensive work, you may look to implement a more intelligent approach where players rather contain and try to delay the others team attack while congesting space in front of their goal. 

How does this translate into the game: This behavior can be implementet by a mid or lower defensive block and a lower pressing intensity. In addition to that you may also want your team to stay on feet to not risk any freekicks from dangerous positions. 

Just one more general thing regarding your choice of mentality. Always keep in mind, which pre set settings come with your mentality. Unless you are looking to primarily defend / rest with the ball, you should at least go with a balanced mentality.

 

The reasons you wrote are why I chose the trequartista role.. but I feel the role is restricted when I add Ti. Do you have any suggestions

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18 minutes ago, gokalpcakir1 said:

but I feel the role is restricted when I add Ti. Do you have any suggestions

I'm not completely sure what you mean with that, but not matter of which or how many instructions you choose, your team is instrutucted with a default preset of instructions, which are coming with mentality, anyway. All together, your formation, roles, duties, mentality and instructions will just define your style of play.

Players like a Trequartista and Playmakers in general, are allowed to play with more creative freedom. They will play outside of your tactical framework, when it makes sense.

However, in my last post, i tried to explain how i would setup a team utilizing a Trequartista. I cant really give you any further suggestions, as i dont know what style of play you are looking for.

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3 minutes ago, CARRERA said:

Bununla ne demek istediğinizden tam olarak emin değilim, ancak hangisini veya kaç talimatı seçerseniz seçin, ekibinize zaten zihniyetle gelen varsayılan bir talimat ön ayarı verilir. Hep birlikte, oluşumunuz, rolleriniz, görevleriniz, zihniyetiniz ve talimatlarınız sadece oyun tarzınızı belirleyecektir.

Trequartista ve genel olarak Oyun Kurucular gibi oyuncuların daha yaratıcı özgürlükle oynamalarına izin verilir. Mantıklı olduğunda, taktik çerçevenizin dışında oynayacaklar.

Ancak son yazımda Trequartista kullanarak nasıl bir ekip kuracağımı açıklamaya çalıştım. Nasıl bir oyun tarzı aradığınızı bilmediğim için size daha fazla öneride bulunamam.

In fact, after the press line settings you suggested, without adding anything else, incredible opportunities began to be created between the poacher and the trequartista. Actually, I just want the other players to bring the ball to the trequartista. It's more important to me to stand firmer in defense.

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12 minutes ago, gokalpcakir1 said:

In fact, after the press line settings you suggested, without adding anything else, incredible opportunities began to be created between the poacher and the trequartista.

isnt that a good thing?

16 minutes ago, gokalpcakir1 said:

Actually, I just want the other players to bring the ball to the trequartista. It's more important to me to stand firmer in defense.

which is the tactics you use right now?

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I start the match with standard pressure lines, I change according to the opponent's game.I moved the lines forward a bit because my last match was against a weaker opponent than me

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Trequartista is a relic from old times, where mondern pressing wasnt proberbly invented yet. Thats why i was trying to tell you, that it doesnt make much sense to play a trquartista in a highly pressing system. Thats the problem with "fancy" roles, You need to tailor your strategy around them. 

Anyway, whats the problem then with your tactics? At least from your player ratings and your team being ranked as 1st, it cant be too bad. You need to take your time and give at least some information about whats happening or whats not going wrong. 

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The problem is that from time to time I leave the ball completely to the opponent, like balls thrown behind the defence, things that have no continuity. I have a hard time creating a position against very closed teams and I have a hard time creating a position against teams that are equal or stronger than us.

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Attacking mentality + extremely high tempo + pass into space = you seem as though you want to lose the ball and give possession away to the opposition quickly and cheaply. 

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