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Bulgaria get past South Africa after extra-time, setting up a Round of 16 match with Argentina who were runners-up in the last tournament and knock out Japan 4-2 in a match which saw goals from the likes of Hidetoshi Nakata, Juan Sebastian Veron and Gabriel Batistuta. 

Cameroon sneak past Russia 1-0 and they're rewarded with a real chance at making a Quarter Final, given they will play Peru in the next round who beat Chile on penalties in an all-South American Round of 32 clash. 

No surprises as France thrash Costa Rica 3-0 with goals from Djorkaeff, Zidane and Sylvain Wiltord, they'll face a young Portuguese side who themselves put 3 past Canada to make it through their own tie.

Croatia beat Ukraine 1-0 in a close-run match with their winner courtesy of Dejan Savicevic, they will play Slovakia in the next round who absolutely hammered Colombia 4-1 with Peter Dubovsky grabbing a brace. 

Holland beat South Korea 4-1 without breaking too much of a sweat, with a Marc Overmars brace and goals from Bergkamp and Ronald Koeman, but they may well have to break a sweat in the Round of 16, as they have a heavyweight clash against reigning world champions Italy who also won their game 4-1, as goals from Baggio, Del Piero, Albertini and Cozza put a poor Swiss side to the sword. 

We of course beat Norway, and we too set up a big Round of 16 clash, as Germany thrash Nigeria 4-0 with a Andreas Moller brace and goals from Jens Jeremies and Jens Nowotny. 

Brazil beat Ghana 2-0 courtesy of goals from Cafu and Rivaldo, and they will play Wales in the Round of 16, as a Mark Hughes brace saw them past Iran. 

Finally, Mexico beat Tunisia after extra-time to set up a Round of 16 match against Uruguay, who beat Romania 2-1.



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A tight game, but a 1-0 win courtesy of an early Alan Shearer strike sees England knock out Germany to reach the Quarter Final.




Elsewhere, Argentina beat Bulgaria 2-0 with goals from Batistuta and Almeyda, and they will play Cameroon, who got past Peru 2-1 thanks to an own goal and a massive winner from Alphonse Tchami to take the African side to a Quarter Final for the first time.

France thrash Portugal 5-1 despite an early Luis Figo goal putting them 1-0 down after just 2 minutes, they came roaring back with Dugarry, Zidane, Makelele and a Djorkaeff brace putting them comfortably through to face Croatia in the Quarter Finals, a repeat of the real time-line Semi Final after an early Davor Suker penalty gave Croatia the only goal in a 1-0 win over Slovakia.

Holland and Italy had a very exciting game packed with goals, a Del Piero brace was drowned out by a brace of his own from Marc Overmars and a late Ronald De Boer winner to set up another exciting game for Holland against England. 

Brazil beat Wales 2-0 with goals from Giovane Elber and Rai, this sets up an all South American quarter final with Uruguay, who smashed Mexico 3-0 courtesy of a Richard Morales hat-trick. 

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Fowler struggled with fitness coming back from his knock and the 30 minutes he played against Germany in the second half made it hard to start him in this game, which did end up going the distance so he still played about an hour anyway. It was Robbie Fowler who hit the headlines though, missing the first of England's 3 penalties, which saw Scholes score and young David Beckham also miss. 

Holland scored all 4 of theirs to get through to the Semi Final.

A disappointing end to the World Cup, but sometimes there are narrow margins and in this case they deserved to go through really, good luck to them. 




Argentina narrowly got past Cameroon 1-0 with a Juan Sebastian Veron goal, whilst there was nearly an upset as Croatia took the French to penalties, which despite Papin missing the first one, saw the French come out as victors, with Alan Boksic having the crucial penalty saved by Fabian Barthez. 

Elsewhere, Brazil beat Uruguay 3-1, with goals from Romario and Alessandro Cambalhota to set up a Semi-Final with the Dutch. 

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France/Argentina seemed a much closer game than the score suggests, at 1-1 in the 81st minute Eric Cantona converted a penalty to make it 2-1, then in injury time presumably with Argentina going for an equaliser the French countered them, with Cantona and Ludovic Giuly both grabbing goals to take it well beyond the South American side's reach despite Batistuta's earlier equaliser. 




Holland denied Brazil the opportunity to secure a repeat of the real 1998 World Cup final, as goals from Edgar Davids and Marc Overmars put the Dutch into the final. 

Either way, we will have a brand new World Cup winner!

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Incredible scenes in the final, as Total Football's Coming Home! 

The Netherlands win their first ever World Cup, with a winner from none other than Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink who came off the bench to give his side the win!! 






Crystal Palace mistook Frank de Boer for Ronald de Boer but they're all  laughing about it - The Irish News


Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink spurs Holland on | Futebol



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A bit of a clear-out this summer to some extent. 

Ian Wright leaves for Hearts in a very low deal to ensure he could actually get a move, whilst long-time winger Paul Merson leaves for Bobby Robson's Nottingham Forest after requesting a move for first-team football. Brad Friedel also wanted first team football and wouldn't sign a new contract, so whilst I thought maybe one day he'd replace Seaman, with Seaman still looking good, Friedel moves to Villa in a low key move. 

Laurent Blanc was not someone I anticipated selling, but at 32 he's given us quite a few years of very good service he's gone to Barcelona who he really wanted to join. Made sense for us as Adams is still quite good and Rio's ready to start now. 

Ashley Cole goes on loan to Newcastle, whilst Drogba joins PSG again. Stephen Hughes goes to Benfica and youngster Tomas Rosicky joins 2nd Division Watford. 




We needed someone ideally HG to replace Paul Merson as a rotation winger option, so young Nick Barmby from West Ham was an ideal option that was available. I saw a teenage Tomas Rosicky seemingly available for a cheap price so jumped on that as a signing for the future, whilst Gianfranco Zola joins to be 4th choice striker and further rotation option elsewhere. A reasonable sum for a 4th choice striker, but only £12.5M up-front with a lot of incentives around appearances and goals which in a 2 year deal if he does make them he will have been well worth the £20M. Finally, we needed a 4th choice centre back, so in comes Mauricio Pochettino from Lens :D 










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Oh we also signed Shaka Hislop to be back-up keeper from Leicester, as he arrived in June he didn't show up on the transfer page.

Main transfer that happened this month was of course Liverpool making a massive signing to bolster the short and long term defensive fortune of the club by buying Sol Campbell from Tottenham for £24.5M. United were also in for him this summer, but given Liverpool are the better side at the moment it made sense that he went there. I did make offers for him, including a £30M one for him once Liverpool had a bid accepted, but Spurs simply refused to sell to us :( 



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The big move of July and indeed the window itself was Ronaldo finally leaving PSV and joining Barcelona in a £31M move. 

Roma having a big window by splashing out on both Patrick Kluivert and wantaway Man United misfit Luis Figo which turned out to be a disastrous move by Alex Ferguson, which always seemed odd given they had Beckham and Giggs coming through, but Figo had become unsettled by barely playing that much. 

Buffon joins Juventus, Di Natale joins Napoli and United settle for Marco Materazzi after missing out on Sol Campbell. 




Heiko Herrlich joins AC Milan in a fairly big money move, whist Leverkusen also lose young Brazilian Emerson to Real Madrid. Robert Jarni leaves Inter for Leicester, whilst Dida signs for Napoli. Kevin Phillips leaves Sunderland for Ipswich, and an aging Hristo Stoichkov swaps Barcelona for Manchester City. 

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Juve have an interesting group with Blackburn, Anderlecht and Rangers. Juve should definitely go through, but the 2nd place spot is up for grabs, you would perhaps favour Blackburn but Rangers are no mugs. 

Liverpool and Bayern have to be favourites in their group but Gijon are a half decent side, Barca and Roma probably won't have too much trouble from Auxerre or Kaiserslautern. Group D is fairly open, I imagine PSG should win it, remains to be seen how PSV can get on without Ronaldo and Galatasaray haven't done too much just yet. 




Milan should win their group, with Celtic having a good chance of progressing against Bordeaux and Roda JC. Group F is very open, any of Marseille, Valencia and Sporting Lisbon could get through that one I think. 

Man United have reigning champions Ajax and Werder Bremen to contend with, whilst we've got a tough group of our own, with Real Madrid and Napoli sure to pose us some problems. 

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1 hour ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Ronaldo finally leaving PSV and joining Barcelona

I’m glad he joined Barca, a top upgrade from Stoichkov. Rivaldo and Ronaldo should be a lethal combination together! I wonder if Ronaldinho will come along soon and join them :eek:

I’m finding it interesting how the lifestyle and climate in England isn’t putting off Latin players at this time. I guess it’s not programmed to be considered by the less adaptable players.

Its also interesting to see what players the UCL teams have bought, Napoli for instance.

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2 hours ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Liverpool making a massive signing to bolster the short and long term defensive fortune of the club by buying Sol Campbell from Tottenham for £24.5M

That surprised me! Thought he would go to Man Utd!

I wonder if Carragher is now blocked from the first team :onmehead:

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Forgot to mention that Ajax winning the UCL, followed by a stellar Summer by the Men’s Dutch National team winning the World Cup is outstanding achievement and totally unexpected.

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On 22/08/2021 at 13:04, Sonic Youth said:

That surprised me! Thought he would go to Man Utd!

I wonder if Carragher is now blocked from the first team :onmehead:


I think if Spurs had let him go a season or two earlier he probably would've gone to United over Liverpool, but Liverpool seem to have overtaken United as our main rivals for now. I'm sure United will catch up though as they are still spending a lot each summer so sooner or later they should get the right players in alongside their existing talent. 

Liverpool seem to have some kind of affiliate link with Bolton in the Second Division and have sent Carragher to them now for a 3rd year in a row. He seems to be playing regularly for them and should you would think make a claim for first-team football in some capacity by next season.


On 22/08/2021 at 13:08, Sonic Youth said:

Forgot to mention that Ajax winning the UCL, followed by a stellar Summer by the Men’s Dutch National team winning the World Cup is outstanding achievement and totally unexpected.


Yeah, a pretty incredible summer for the Dutch. It will be interesting to see if either Ajax or the national side can build on that and become a bigger force in the 2000s than in real life as I think I remember them not even qualifying for the 2002 World Cup. 

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An Andy Cole special gave us a 1-0 win to secure the Charity Shield. 




A League Cup campaign that has been so far, so good, albeit scraping by on penalties in the first two rounds. Liverpool await in the Semi Final. 




A 4 horse race for the title at the moment, with us neck and neck with Man United, with an Everton side having the season of their life ahead of local rivals Liverpool in 4th. Don Howe's Toffees side finished 5th last season and have built on that in a big way, even leading the league just 3-4 game weeks ago. Chris Sutton is their talisman upfront, but they also have other talented players in Nobby Solano, Gus Poyet, David Unsworth and Pedro Barbosa doing very well for them this season. 

Leicester are having a disaster season and have sacked Bobby Ferguson, who won the UEFA Cup for them just 3 seasons ago. They've replaced him with former Chelsea manager Graham Taylor who got binned at the end of last season. 

Paul Cooper was sacked at the start of December by an at the time 19th place Newcastle and in a sensational appointment they've hired former Tottenham boss Kevin Keegan, and I would love it if he turned it around with them, love it. 

Crystal Palace have just sacked Steve Coppell who's been in charge of them for almost a decade, but haven't yet got a replacement in, with a similar story for Southampton who recently sacked Gordon Strachan, albeit he'd only been in the job 9 months as opposed to the 9 years Coppell had at Palace.  

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Given how strong the group was with Madrid and Napoli we have to be very happy with topping the group. We lost 4-0 in Madrid but having already topped the group at that point I did rotate quite heavily, we still probably shouldn't have lost 4-0 but I wasn't too worried about it. 




Juve top their group without any surprises, with Rangers doing well to prevent Blackburn from making the knockout stages, Rovers will hope to go strong in the UEFA Cup especially given they don't look like making the European Cup next season through league finish.

No real surprises as Liverpool and Bayern as well as Barcelona and Roma come through their groups, with PSV still making it through without Ronaldo which is quite impressive.




Milan and Celtic make it through their group without much bother, whilst a bit of a surprise in Group F as Valencia bow out to Marseille and Sporting Lisbon. 

Whilst the big shock comes in Group G, as last year's winner's Ajax are spectacularly knocked out in the group stage by Man United and Werder Bremen. They'll hope to at least get some face back by a strong showing in the UEFA Cup. 




We have to be reasonably happy with Rangers, although obviously in this timeline they're still a strong side that can give most sides something to think about as we saw they've knocked out Blackburn who are no mugs. 

Real Madrid and Juventus face each other in a massive clash that could well have been the final, PSG have Man United, Barcelona face Werder Bremen, Sporting Lisbon and PSV clash in a tie that will see at least 1 underdog type side in the Quarter Final. 

Liverpool and Roma face off in another big tie, with Bayern and AC Milan also another decent clash, whilst Celtic have a chance to make the Quarter Finals as they play French side Marseille. 

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A fairly quiet January in that the biggest transfer was £13.5M, which saw Jamie Redknapp leave Liverpool for Leeds United after being transfer listed. Man United sold Daniele Berretta to Everton, whilst Aston Villa spent £10M on 2nd Division QPR midfielder Christian Karambeu. 

Emre leaves Galatasaray for Roma, whilst Timo Hildebrand joins Bayer Leverkusen from Stuttgart where he was stuck as #2 behind Mad Jens Lehmann. Tim Sherwood leaves Leeds for Blackburn, whilst Man United make a few interesting transfers bringing in Mauricio Pineda, Kenny Miller and Chris Coleman. 

Matt Holland leaves Everton for Newcastle, whilst as you can see we actually did a transfer in January, letting Gio Van Bronckhorst leave for Ajax for just £6M. The Dutchman wanted away and with Ashley Cole coming through now it made sense to get rid of him, Cole who just turned 18 has now been recalled after 6 months at Newcastle on loan, so we didn't need to sign a new deputy left back. 

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Tight at the top, but that GD of Man Utd’s :eek:

Probably too early for Van Bronckhorst to join Arsenal. 

It’s going to be interesting to see how some of those UCL ties go, Totti against Liverpool; Ronaldo; and if Scottish sides will be in the competition longer than the English ones.

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A few manager movements as Rafa Benitez got sacked in April by Spurs, replaced by Sven-Goran Eriksson who looks to make an impact on English football after reasonably uninspiring spells at Pisa and Udinese in Serie A.

Blackburn also got a new manager in, despite his success, Bobby Saxton was sacked for poor league position, which gives a chance to Sam Allardyce. 

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The real timeline was SAF's best season winning the treble, could he and United emulate this after a fairly disappointing last few seasons in Manchester? 




Well they certainly romped to the title. We couldn't get too near them and they went on a mad one on the goals front, netting 120 times in 38 games which is mental. 

Liverpool had a nightmare, with Everton finishing above them and Leeds United coming ever so close to pipping them to the Champions League, with goal difference the only decider. Even West Ham really weren't that far away from Top 4 either this year.

Southampton, Palace and Derby are relegated. 



Seaman, Lizarazu, Adams and Davids get in, but other than Dugarry it's all United deservedly so... 

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  Wenger's Career Record


Season      Club                  League                Position           Achievements/Other
1990/91     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              N/A
1991/92     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division & League Cup winners
1992/93     Arsenal FC            First Division          3rd              FA Cup & Charity Shield winners
1993/94     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              FA Cup & Charity Shield winners
1994/95     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division, FA Cup & League Cup winners
1995/96     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division & Charity Shield winners
1996/97     Arsenal FC            First Division          3rd              Charity Shield winners
1997/98     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division winners
1998/99     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              FA Cup & Charity Shield winners


Arsenal's Trophy Cabinet in the Original Timeline


First Division/Premier League - x4 (1990/91, 1997/98, 2001/02 & 2003/04) 

FA Cup                        - x9 (1992-93, 1997/98, 2001/2, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2013/14, 2014/15, 2016/17 & 2019/20) 

League Cup                    - x1 (1992/93)

Charity/Community Shield      - x9 (1991/92, 1998/99, 1999/00, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2017/20 & 2020/21)

UEFA Cup Winners Cup          - x1 (1993/94)



Trophy Cabinet in the New Timeline


First Division             - x4 (1991/92, 1994/95, 1995/96 & 1997/98) 

FA Cup                     - x4 (1992/93, 1993/94, 1994/95 & 1998/99)

League Cup                 - x2 (1991/92 & 1994/95)

Charity Shield             - x5 (1992/93, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1996/97 & 1998/99)


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Have just read through this. An incredible idea for whoever put it together. I've seen people request but can't see a link in any of the posts. But would be interesting to see whether I can stop Forest from becoming rubbish like they are now.

Joe Kinnear as Forest manager about 7 years before he took us down to L1. 

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Talk about Barcelona spanking everyone that came along. I don’t think Ronaldo will move any time soon. World Cup I think is in the future for Brazil too.

Man Utd we’re very attacking with a good defence. Liverpool with good attack and poor defence. Arsenal good defensively but not so much in attack. Everton only snuck third because their defence was better than Liverpool’s :idiot:

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On 18/09/2021 at 07:49, Nottingham Forest said:

Have just read through this. An incredible idea for whoever put it together. I've seen people request but can't see a link in any of the posts. But would be interesting to see whether I can stop Forest from becoming rubbish like they are now.

Joe Kinnear as Forest manager about 7 years before he took us down to L1. 


I was a bit confused by this as I think I posted the Twitter link I originally used a couple of times, but having looked back through the thread I saw the link had gone. I was again confused by this, but I have managed to spend the last 5-10 minutes digging around and the conclusion I seem to have come to is: 

There's been some weird drama within the Retro FM Group (no clue about them only heard of them through this database on a lollujo video) and I think they took the Twitter account down, it went on some person's personal account who was claiming to be the leader of the group, but then people jumped on him for using other people's work for likes and follows and now he's removed the Twitter account. 

So basically I'm not really sure what's happened to the original link or where it can be found. It's basically a link to Day 1 in a save game (it's not a database in the sense you start up the game as per usual and pick all the leagues etc as I think they only have certain leagues in any real detail) but I do still have this link so if you want me to email it let me know and I can get that to you as I don't actually have an account on any of these upload sites anymore :D 


On 18/09/2021 at 08:34, Sonic Youth said:

Talk about Barcelona spanking everyone that came along. I don’t think Ronaldo will move any time soon. World Cup I think is in the future for Brazil too.

Man Utd we’re very attacking with a good defence. Liverpool with good attack and poor defence. Arsenal good defensively but not so much in attack. Everton only snuck third because their defence was better than Liverpool’s :idiot:


Yeah, Everton kind of came out of nowhere, like they did finish Top 6 last season but I thought it was a blip as their squad isn't thaaaat great compared to some of the other teams around them, or maybe some of the players I don't know that much are better than I think they are and it's more they don't have too many big names.

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On the face of it that looks like a very quiet summer for us, but not as quiet as it looks. 

I got Kolo Toure in from the Ivory Coast for a very nice price, however despite him having 10 caps for the Ivory Coast at 18 I couldn't get a work permit for him so I had to loan him out, he'll play for Dresden this season in Germany. This initially scuppered by plans to sell Pochettino as whilst he wanted out and I was happy to let him go, without Kolo as a 4th choice centre back we were a bit short. I didn't really want to sign a centre back as we have another centre back as you'll see shortly coming in January anyway, but with Sampdoria and Torino putting in bids for Poch and him wanting out I made a compromise to get in Zoumana Camara from Milan on a 5 month loan until January when our new centre back will come in. 

I also loaned out Drogba to PSG for a 3rd year in a row, whilst he could easily replace Zola in the squad this season, nobody wanted Zola so I will let Zola see out his last 12 months of his deal and Drogba progress more at PSG this year. Rosicky goes out on loan to Celtic, with Stephen Hughes joining him in Scotland and Aberdeen - I wanted Hughes gone permanently but nobody would pay money for him, with 12 months left on his deal he'll be gone in the summer so is very much in the shop window for himself at Aberdeen whilst they at least cover some of his wages. 

No idea why Man United were so keen on nicking Moritz Volz from our youth team, they did the same thing with Stuart Taylor the other year, my only explanation is they have a much better PA in the game than real life but coaching staff all seemed to think neither were going to be that good still :D 




So we have actually spent some money this summer, with just under £16M being committed to the future as we sign Nemanja Vidic from Serbia, in another funny irony for Wenger as he looks to pivot to a long term centre-back partnership of Vidic and Ferdinand :D 

Xabi Alonso obviously a quality midfielder who will hopefully form the base of our midfield as we move into the 2000's, I'll likely let him go on loan for at least the first 18 months of his time at the club once he joins in January too. 

Whilst we did finish behind United by a bit of a distance last season I'm not in the business of buying new squad players for the sake of it and with the squad we have I didn't feel the need to immediately invest in the team. 


Seaman / Hislop - Seaman is starting to drop off a little bit, but I think he's still good enough to be first choice this season and then I will look at signing a brand new first choice keeper next summer. 

Thuram / Lauren - Very happy with these two at right back. 

Lizarazu - Cole - Likewise, very happy with the full back situation. 

Adams / Ferdinand / Keown / Camara (loan) - Camara not idea really but Vidic to come into the side in January. Adams and Keown are obviously getting on a bit now but with Kolo also joining we'll soon have 3 young and dynamic CBs in Rio, Vidic and Kolo. 

Parlour / Ljungberg - Happy with this pairing. 

Pires / Barmby - Happy with this too. 

Davids / Petit / Vieira / Gilberto Silva - Can't really go wrong here either. 

Bergkamp / Cole / Henry / Zola - Think this is solid too, with Zola to be replaced by Drogba next summer. 

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A big June move saw Man United look to improve their defence by spending nearly £30M on Napoli's Fabio Cannavaro. Certainly seems like he will be a good signing for him, elsewhere Nobby Solano swaps Everton for Man City. 




Steve McManaman is picked up by Juventus for £23M, as they sell Vladimir Smicer to Barcelona, who also pick up Davor Suker after winning the European Cup this summer. 

Real Madrid fork up £17.5M for Fernando Morientes, whilst Bayern steal Kaiserslautern's key man Polish international striker Miroslav Klose who opted not to represent Germany in this timeline. Mark Bresciano signs for Liverpool, whilst Matt Le Tissier leaves his relegated hometown club for Blackburn Rovers. Paul Dickov joins Chelsea, Alen Boksic signs for Juve, whilst Ronald de Boer ditches Barcelona for Monte Carlo. 

Ivan Helguera fails to make the grade at Real Madrid, but could be a very decent signing for Valencia at £10M, whilst young Benni McCarthy leaves Celta for Dortmund. Eric Cantona puts an end to his Old Trafford career as he signs for AC Milan, whilst former United man Paul Ince leaves AC Milan for Blackburn. Kevin Campbell departs Rovers, as he joins newly promoted Sunderland. 




Man United rob Napoli of another key player late in the window as they bring in Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, possibly to replace Eric Cantona as a striking option. Paul Merson leaves Nottingham Forest for Blackburn, who seem to have done a lot of business to try and get back into Europe this summer. A young Simao leaves Sporting Lisbon for Liverpool, Ebbe Sand joins Kaiserslautern from Atletico presumably to replace Miroslav Klose, whilst Kily Gonzalez leaves Tottenham for Marseille. 

Luis Garcia, one time Anfield Icon in the original timeline has ended up at Goodison Park this time, whilst Paulo Ferreira looks like he could be a brilliant signing for Porto even at £15M. Meanwhile, Blackburn also sign Chris Coleman from United, whilst Dortmund pick up a young Esteban Cambiasso who much like Ivan Helguera doesn't seem to have got as much of a chance at Madrid in this timeline. 

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Group A could be interesting if Kaiserslautern can find some rhythm they may well be able to challenge the big boys of Juve and Real Madrid, maybe Fenerbache won't be complete pushovers either. We've not got the easiest, nor the hardest of groups, Ajax a strong side and Porto have some good young players that could cause problems. Werder Bremen will be hoping to cause an upset against Liverpool and Inter, whilst Group D is arguably the most interesting of the lot - any 2 of the 4 sides could realistically make it through. 




Group E again is somewhat open, as whilst Milan and Bayern would be favorites, both Gijon and Everton are decent enough to cause some problems. Man United and Monaco I think should breeze through their group, whilst Barcelona have a somewhat tough draw as both Marseille and Leverkusen could cause problems on their day. I think Roma and Rangers should make it through their group without too much issue.

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It hasn't been the easiest of League Cup campaigns, but Shaka Hislop the cup keeper has been in fine form making saves in both shoot-outs :D 




Top of the table at Christmas. I don't think we've been amazing and have lost 4 times but we're still the best of the bunch. 

West Ham having a hell of a season in 2nd and closest to us with the best defensive record in the league. They did come 6th last year but even so John Lyall's side doing very well, they've actually got a midfield partnership of Frank Lampard and Jimmy Bullard :D 

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An uncharacteristic flop from us in Amsterdam saw us lose 4-1 to Ajax and surrender top spot in the group which was a bit rubbish. 




Biggest surprise of course Liverpool crashing out in their group to the UEFA Cup, whilst  Celtic and PSG make it through at Valencia and Lazio's expense in the group of death. 




A huge upset in Group E as not only do Everton go through, but Bayern Munich finish rock bottom and are out of Europe completely! 

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The turning of the new millennium seemed to send lots of clubs into a meltdown as we see one of the more eventful January windows that we've had.

Real Madrid have swooped in and bought Luis Figo from Roma for £31M, just 18 months after he left United following a disappointing spell there. Roma seemed to replace Figo with 2 players, buying both Kenneth Perez and a young Florent Malouda to replace him. 

Elsewhere, Martin Palermo left Marseille for Inter Milan, with the Italian side also signing Paolo Sousa from Juventus. Juventus were quite active in the window themselves, bringing in Pedro Barbosa and Matias Almeyda from Everton and Man United respectively. 

Bayern Munich spent big after going out of Europe, spending £20M on Ze Roberto from Real Madrid, with Madrid also selling Luis Enrique to Napoli, possibly these transfers funded Figo I don't know. 

Vidic and Xabi Alonso were both confirmed for us. 




Vidic will come in and immediately be 4th choice CB, whilst Alonso went out on loan to Sparta Rotterdam in the Eredivise.

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Sitting well positioned at the top of the table :thup:

Palermo heading in Marchionni’s crosses at Milan makes sense to me.

Everton selling Barbosa for Delgado is not a bad swap either.

Is Figo better than Enrique?

Bayern Munich out of Europe is a shock!

Arsenal for UCL glory this time?

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On 02/10/2021 at 03:43, Sonic Youth said:

Sitting well positioned at the top of the table :thup:

Palermo heading in Marchionni’s crosses at Milan makes sense to me.

Everton selling Barbosa for Delgado is not a bad swap either.

Is Figo better than Enrique?

Bayern Munich out of Europe is a shock!

Arsenal for UCL glory this time?




Figo is a weird one. His international record is outstanding. Seemed okay at Barcelona without being outstanding, went to United and generally struggled to displace Giggs or Beckham as a starter, then went to Roma and finally seemed to click. His stats look pretty strong and looks like at Real Madrid he might finally be the player he's always promised to be. 

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Been a pretty mad season for manager moves. 

Across the season we've had


Blackburn - Out: Big Sam Allardyce - In: Always available Alan Curbishley

Sunderland - Out: Graham Turner - In: Bryan Robson

Leeds - Out: Terry Venables - In: Martin O'Neil

Leicester - Out: Graham Taylor - In: Gary Lineker :eek:

Ipswich - Out: David Pleat - In: Joe Kinnear

Chelsea - Out: Gerard Houllier - In: Mick McCarthy

Tottenham - Out: Sven-Goran Eriksson - In: Graham Taylor 

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Man United of course won the 99/00 season (as well as the FA Cup and Champions League), who would win the title this year as we go into the new century? 




Wenger picks up another title! 

We actually looked very comfortable for a while and then kind of dropped off a bit as we got further into Europe and United got closer to us, but thankfully we saw them off to win it. Liverpool finish 3rd, and Blackburn fight a tough battle to get 4th, which given the money they spent this season to get back into Europe they should really have got there, it seems in the end sacking Big Sam for Alan Curblishley paid off and Alan will see his side into the European Cup next season :D 

West Ham massively dropped off from Christmas as their depth was exposed the further they got in the UEFA Cup, although the eagle eyed among you will clock that they probably won't be too gutted not to have made Top 4. Everton and City get UEFA Cup with 5th and 6th, whilst Villa will be in the Conference League. Norwich, QPR and Sunderland go down, with Leicester's hero Gary Lineker helping them stay up. 




Russell Hoult perhaps a surprise pick for GK of the year, although with 14 clean sheets the golden glove winner deserved to be in there. Juan Jose Serrizuela at Villa who I hadn't heard of but Google informs me he played for Mallorca in real life, whilst the rest of the Team of the Year is made up of Arsenal and United players, with Alan Sherer joining Bergkamp up front who was amazing with 37 goals in 36 games :D 

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