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On 06/06/2021 at 21:43, ajw10 said:

"model citizen"

He was at 18. Cos he back then he didn't shag his brother's wife...yet.


Also, have to mention that I do enjoy this.

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End of Season 1991/92




The original timeline saw Leeds United win the title, with Man United in 2nd, Wednesday 3rd and Arsenal 4th, with Luton, Notts Coutny and West Ham being relegated from the 22 side division. 




But in the new timeline it was Arsene Wenger's Arsenal who picked up their first title since 1989, finishing ahead of reigning champions Man United. It was taken to the last day of the season again, but whilst Arsenal won at Highbury at home to Nottingham Forest to mean United's result didn't matter, they did still lose at Anfield themselves, so would not have won the title even had Arsenal lost. 

Liverpool came 3rd after a late run of good form towards the end of the season, with newly promoted Newcastle United the surprise 4th place side beating out Tottenham and Chelsea in the chasing pack. 

Chelsea have to settle for the European Conference League despite their 6th place finish, as you will see later due to the QPR's exploits in the cup under new manager Ron Atkinson, only appointed in February. 

Elsewhere, Norwich dropped off big time after their great start, ultimately slumping to 9th, whilst Leeds flirted with relegation for most of the season, only avoiding it on the last day of the season. 

It was Luton Town, last year's FA Cup winner's Ipswich Town and Wimbledon who went down in the end. The Crazy Gang looked slightly better under Brian Clough after Christmas, but the deficit was still too strong to make up. 









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The FA Cup saw Arsenal go out in the Quarter Final, losing 1-0 at Anfield, after a decent run, which included a Robert Pires hat-trick at Dover. 




Paul Dickov was on absolute fire in the League Cup, from the Semi Final to the Final he rocked up 9 goals in 3 matches, including 5 in an unbelievable solo performance at home to Leeds in the 2nd leg of the Semi Final. His goals ultimately helped Wenger to his first League Cup as Arsenal manager.





In the European Cup first knockout round Arsenal just squeezed past Porto, with Makelele's goal in the first leg enough to see them through to the Quarter Final, where a goliath tie against rivals Man United awaited. 





It was heartbreak in the end for Arsene's Arsenal, as despite a solid 3-1 win at Highbury in the first leg, Ally McCoist's away goal proved decisive, as United beat The Gunners 2-0 at Old Trafford in the return leg to see Wenger's dreams of a European Cup shattered. 

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A good season all round really. 

The spine of the team in Seaman, Adams and Paul Davis all did really well, Ian Wright in brilliant form once again. Paul Merson always a nuisance for the opposition on the wing, with Makelele having an impressive first season.

Steve Bould struggled for fitness for much of the year with a recurring knee injury, which saw Desaily come into the side and O'Leary get more minutes than I might have expected at his age. 

Dickov was brilliant in the cups, ending the season with more goals than regular starter Alan Smith, albeit most in the League Cup whilst Alan's were generally in more important competitions. 

Kevin Campbell was okay but didn't particularly impress as much as Dickov in the games where he got a chance to play. Andy Cole got a couple of sub appearances but his major injury obviously saw him miss the entire season. I think I will probably loan him out, hopefully to a First Division side next season to see how he gets on as the cruciates is a bad injury so could've impacted his current or even potential ability long-term. 


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QPR won the FA Cup, securing Europa League football under Ron Atkinson next season despite their poor league position compared to last season. 




League Cup of course won by Arsenal. 




A good year for Sheffield based fans as the two Sheffield sides are automatically promoted, with West Ham victorious in the Playoffs. 

Bad times for Bristol Rovers, Fulham and Hull who are relegated to the 3rd Division. 




Lincoln, Crewe and Peterborough are promoted, with Reading, Mansfield, Plymouth and Port Vale all down to the 4th Division. 



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AC Milan retain their title, with Inter and Juve 2nd and 3rd, with Torino the surprise 4th place side pipping Napoli and Lazio to the final CL spot. 




Barcelona are dominant champions in Spain, with Real Madrid in 2nd, and Sociedad and surprise package Gijon making up the rest of the Top 4. 




Bayern Munich win the Bundesliga, with Werder Bremen, Stuttgart and Dortmund making up the Top 4. Schalke are relegated. 




Monaco retain in France, with Auxerre very close, Lens join them in the CL next season. 




Ajax and PSV separated by the narrowest of margins, with Ajax ultimately coming out on top. 





Celtic pip Rangers to the Scottish PL title. 



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The Europa Conference League was won by Torino, narrowly beating Sevilla on penalties in the final. Torino knocked out relegated Wimbledon on their path to the final, incidentally Stan Collymore of Wimbledon actually finished as the tournament's top scorer. 







Maradona's Napoli side wound up winners of a fairly stacked looking Europa League, beating Marseille on penalties in the final to win it. 



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An eventful European Cup ultimately saw Barcelona win it 2-0 in the final against AC Milan, in what was a clash of the two heavyweights of Europe and fairly inarguable best sides in the game at the moment. Baresi's early red card wasn't a great start for Milan, and it gave Barcelona the chance to win it fairly comfortably in the end, with goals from Romario and recent signing Luis Figo to seal the title.

Barcelona actually won the 1992 European Cup in the real time line too, so that's nice I guess. 

The tournament saw good runs from underdogs Valladolid and Kaiserslautern, with some exciting ties along the way including Milan smashing Roma in the Quarter Final and of course Arsenal/United too. 




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Euro 92 has come around and Harry Redknapp has named his squad. 

There's a few differences in this timeline, namely there are 24 sides instead of 8, thanks in part due to Harry championing it as a concept in his first presser in the new timeline. 


Original Timeline England Squad: 



Gascoigne and Barnes both missed out through injury.


The New Timeline Squad (numbers not squad numbers FWIW): 


  1. David Seaman
  2. Chris Woods
  3. John Lukic
  4. Lee Dixon
  5. Tony Adams
  6. Des Walker 
  7. Stuart Pearce
  8. Martin Keown
  9. Steve Bruce
  10. Nigel Winterburn
  11. Keith Curle
  12. John Barnes
  13. Glen Hoddle
  14. David Batty
  15. Trevor Steven
  16. Paul Merson
  17. Chris Waddle
  18. Paul Gascoigne
  19. David Platt
  20. Gary Lineker
  21. Ian Wright
  22. Alan Smith
  23. Alan Shearer


Les Ferdinand would have gone if he hadn't picked up an injury a few weeks before the tournament. Tony Daley was also all set to go until he got injured in one of the last games of the season too, which meant a place for Trevor Steven instead. 

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The Group Stage saw Redknapp's England get a draw of France, Czechoslovakia and a Yugoslavia side that in the original timeline weren't even allowed into the tournament, however it seems in this timeline given UEFA needed to fill the tournament with 24 sides, an extraordinary exception was made. 



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Most of the excitement against Czechoslovakia came in the opening 25 minutes, with Karel Poborsky determined to try and get a big win for his country. Goals from Ian Wright and Gazza meant the game finished 2-2, with the second half overshadowed by a bad injury to John Barnes that would sadly see him miss the rest of the tournament...

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Harry's hopes of being a hero in his first tournament were sunk down by the unfortunate luck of the draw, which saw a strong Germany side finish behind Norway in their group, meaning England drew them even after winning their own group. 

It was a tight game, with Brehme's penalty and Wright's second half strike keeping things pretty even, until Germany broke on the counter and scored through maverick forward Rudi Voller. 

It was all over in the Round of 16 for Redknapp.

Given in the original timeline they went out in the Group Stage you would think it was an improvement, although in the original timeline only 8 sides qualified, so getting to the Round of 16 as an improvement may be hard to quantify.

Disappointment all the same.

Thankfully for the World Cup in 1994 the expectations were even lower, given in the original timeline England failed to qualify...

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Denmark failed to win the tournament as the dark horses they were in the original timeline. 

Yugoslavia (definitely not just Croatia...) knocked out the Germans, with an impressive Commonwealth of Independent States (definitely not just Ukraine...) side making the final, where they lost to plucky underdogs Belgium, who win the tournament. 







A tournament much like the original ultimately dominated by plucky underdogs - refreshing to see given we have not seen much of that in the domestic or European club competitions!

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Andy Cole was sent out on loan to see how he can do in the First Division after the injury, with his future real side Newcastle United being his destination, this should be good as they're in the European Cup so we can see how he gets on in that too. 

David O'Leary was 34 this summer, whilst he did very well whilst Bould was injured, it seemed a good time for him to leave on the back of a title, he would only take a 2 year deal on reasonably big money which I didn't really want to give him. He leaves for Leeds United on a free transfer. 




We needed another centre back and with the recent influx of French talent it seemed prudent to get someone who would be HG in. Wenger is reunited with Martin Keown, who joins from Everton on a £7.5M deal.

Another midfield player to challenge Paul Davis was another position to strengthen this summer, and Wenger could think of nobody better than the promising young Zinedine Zidane from Bordeaux. The French side wanted a very big fee for him, but given how good Wenger knew Zidane could become, it was a no brainer. 





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The transfer window began with some relatively big moves in June.

Liverpool looked to improve their defence by signing Roma defender Aldair for £13.25M, whilst Newcastle use some of their European Cup money to sign young American midfielder Claudio Reyna from Rangers. Muzzy Izzet leaves Leicester for Sunderland in a move that could end up being worth up to £7M. 




The joint most expensive transfer of the window saw young Dutch winger Marc Overmars leave Ajax to join an already stacked AC Milan side in Serie A, whilst Real Madrid spend £16M too on French midfielder Youri Djorkaeff. 

Andreas Moller left Dortmund for Juve in a £15M move, whilst Real Madrid also looked to get a striker in, picking up experienced Italian forward Gianluca Vialli from Sampdoria. Dunga, the Brazilian defensive midfielder left Fiorentina for Inter Milan, whilst Didier Deschamps left Marseille for Inter. 

Diego Fuser left Lazio for PSG in a £11.75M, whilst Robert Jarni joins Real Madrid, which is pretty weird/random after @Sonic Youth mentioned it yesterday :D I guess he did eventually join them in real life anyway. 

Man United's big transfer in July was bringing in experienced right back Dave Watson from Everton. 




August was a bit low key compared to July but it still saw a few interesting moves. Marseille spent big money on Bjarne Goldbaek and Roland Grahammer, whilst Jason Wilcox swapped Norwich for Derby in a big £9.25M move. Chris Marsden joins Coventry in another expensive English transfer, with Man United making one other big move, signing experienced Italian midfielder Carlo Ancelotti from AC Milan. Chris Woods, England keeper, joins Nottingham Forest from Rangers.


Other noteworthy transfers saw Stephane Carnot join Tottenham for £4M, Markus Feldhoff join Dortmund for £3.5M, Emiliano Bigica join Lazio for £3M and Chelsea paying £3.3M to sign Spanish midfielder Nayim. 

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A pretty decent group of Red Star, Sarajevo and Galatasaray for Arsenal. 

Maradona's Napoli winning the Europa League of course means there's 5 Italian sides in the Group Stage, Maradona's team will face off against Man United and Celtic in a tough group. 

Barcelona and AC Milan have to be the favourites I think, with Inter, Juve and Real Madrid all up there too. 

I think us and United have a decent chance, especially if Fergie makes use of some of the younger lads, as whilst he didn't spend big in the summer, he has got a lot of young talent like Giggs, Scholes, as well as Beckham and Gary Neville come through. 

If Aldair can improve Liverpool's defence sort of like Van Dijk did in the real timeline then they might be stronger contenders in Europe and the First Division this year, as last season they seemed to struggle a bit at the back despite being very good going forward. 

Monaco perhaps the dark horses.

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Whoa, Jarni happened! Buying best in International competitions is why I mentioned him and then, no matter if needed or not.

Hmm, Shevchenko and Rebrov are my next wondering. Also, Batistuta.

I’d completely forgot about Maradona as well. No league title or World Cup win for him yet?

Zidane is another Wengery type of almost signing as well. This time bought.

Has there been any Petit and Viera sightings yet?

Liverpool bought Hyypia and Henchoz soon for cheap.

Everton look like they were gutted.

Kewell at Leeds?

What year is this supposed to be again?

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7 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

Whoa, Jarni happened! Buying best in International competitions is why I mentioned him and then, no matter if needed or not.

Hmm, Shevchenko and Rebrov are my next wondering. Also, Batistuta.

I’d completely forgot about Maradona as well. No league title or World Cup win for him yet?

Zidane is another Wengery type of almost signing as well. This time bought.

Has there been any Petit and Viera sightings yet?

Liverpool bought Hyypia and Henchoz soon for cheap.

Everton look like they were gutted.

Kewell at Leeds?

What year is this supposed to be again?

Just going into the 92/93 season. 

Will have a look next time I’m on. Not seen Shevchenko or Rebrov yet I don’t think, pretty sure a pretty young Batistuta is at an Italian side. 

Napoli seem to struggle domestically, although Maradona did help them to UEFA Cup glory last season. Will be interesting to see how Argentina get on in the 94 World Cup, think Brazil won it originally iirc. 

Have been keeping an eye out for Vieira but don’t think he’s around yet. Petit I noticed was at Monaco the start of last season, enquired about both him and Makelele and where Monaco have been bossing it in France they demanded about 3-4 times what Nantes were asking for Makelele which made it an even easier decision on who to go for. 

Assuming given his age Hyypia must be in the game but haven’t seen him so he must either still be in the Nordic leagues or possibly at a smaller side in Europe. Not seen Henchoz or Harry Kewell yet that I can remember. 

Will be interesting to see how Everton cope this season yeah. Seem quite loaded up front but have been raided defensively. Neville Southall will have a lot to do in goal!

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I’ve just realised you’ve got the starting centre mids of galactical Real period before Makelele was sold!

Other names, Rivaldo at Barcelona, Redondo at Real Madrid, Totti, Nesta, Buffon, Seeforf, Davids, Maldini, Roy Keane (can’t win anything with kids period about to commence right?). So many names I remember and so many about to pop-up.

Strange no club take-overs 🤔

Was 94 the Owen moment against Argentina and Ayala?

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No Shevchenko yet, but an 18 year old Sergiy Rebrov is at PSG joining in the summer for £500K

No Harry Kewell yet. 

Rivaldo is at Deportivo who are 2nd tier in Spain. 

Redondo is currently at Tenerife. 

A very young Totti has just come through the ranks at Roma in the last intake, still in their youth team. 

A 16 year old Nesta is currently in the Lazio U18 side. 

No Buffon or Seedorf yet. 

Edgar Davids is a first-teamer at Ajax, whilst Roy Keane is currently a squad player at United.

I believe the Owen goal against Argentina was the 98 World Cup.


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