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On 06/06/2021 at 21:43, ajw10 said:

"model citizen"

He was at 18. Cos he back then he didn't shag his brother's wife...yet.

 

Also, have to mention that I do enjoy this.

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End of Season 1991/92

 

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The original timeline saw Leeds United win the title, with Man United in 2nd, Wednesday 3rd and Arsenal 4th, with Luton, Notts Coutny and West Ham being relegated from the 22 side division. 

 

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But in the new timeline it was Arsene Wenger's Arsenal who picked up their first title since 1989, finishing ahead of reigning champions Man United. It was taken to the last day of the season again, but whilst Arsenal won at Highbury at home to Nottingham Forest to mean United's result didn't matter, they did still lose at Anfield themselves, so would not have won the title even had Arsenal lost. 

Liverpool came 3rd after a late run of good form towards the end of the season, with newly promoted Newcastle United the surprise 4th place side beating out Tottenham and Chelsea in the chasing pack. 

Chelsea have to settle for the European Conference League despite their 6th place finish, as you will see later due to the QPR's exploits in the cup under new manager Ron Atkinson, only appointed in February. 

Elsewhere, Norwich dropped off big time after their great start, ultimately slumping to 9th, whilst Leeds flirted with relegation for most of the season, only avoiding it on the last day of the season. 

It was Luton Town, last year's FA Cup winner's Ipswich Town and Wimbledon who went down in the end. The Crazy Gang looked slightly better under Brian Clough after Christmas, but the deficit was still too strong to make up. 

 

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The FA Cup saw Arsenal go out in the Quarter Final, losing 1-0 at Anfield, after a decent run, which included a Robert Pires hat-trick at Dover. 

 

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Paul Dickov was on absolute fire in the League Cup, from the Semi Final to the Final he rocked up 9 goals in 3 matches, including 5 in an unbelievable solo performance at home to Leeds in the 2nd leg of the Semi Final. His goals ultimately helped Wenger to his first League Cup as Arsenal manager.

 

 

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In the European Cup first knockout round Arsenal just squeezed past Porto, with Makelele's goal in the first leg enough to see them through to the Quarter Final, where a goliath tie against rivals Man United awaited. 

 

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It was heartbreak in the end for Arsene's Arsenal, as despite a solid 3-1 win at Highbury in the first leg, Ally McCoist's away goal proved decisive, as United beat The Gunners 2-0 at Old Trafford in the return leg to see Wenger's dreams of a European Cup shattered. 

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A good season all round really. 

The spine of the team in Seaman, Adams and Paul Davis all did really well, Ian Wright in brilliant form once again. Paul Merson always a nuisance for the opposition on the wing, with Makelele having an impressive first season.

Steve Bould struggled for fitness for much of the year with a recurring knee injury, which saw Desaily come into the side and O'Leary get more minutes than I might have expected at his age. 

Dickov was brilliant in the cups, ending the season with more goals than regular starter Alan Smith, albeit most in the League Cup whilst Alan's were generally in more important competitions. 

Kevin Campbell was okay but didn't particularly impress as much as Dickov in the games where he got a chance to play. Andy Cole got a couple of sub appearances but his major injury obviously saw him miss the entire season. I think I will probably loan him out, hopefully to a First Division side next season to see how he gets on as the cruciates is a bad injury so could've impacted his current or even potential ability long-term. 

 

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QPR won the FA Cup, securing Europa League football under Ron Atkinson next season despite their poor league position compared to last season. 

 

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League Cup of course won by Arsenal. 

 

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A good year for Sheffield based fans as the two Sheffield sides are automatically promoted, with West Ham victorious in the Playoffs. 

Bad times for Bristol Rovers, Fulham and Hull who are relegated to the 3rd Division. 

 

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Lincoln, Crewe and Peterborough are promoted, with Reading, Mansfield, Plymouth and Port Vale all down to the 4th Division. 

 

 

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AC Milan retain their title, with Inter and Juve 2nd and 3rd, with Torino the surprise 4th place side pipping Napoli and Lazio to the final CL spot. 

 

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Barcelona are dominant champions in Spain, with Real Madrid in 2nd, and Sociedad and surprise package Gijon making up the rest of the Top 4. 

 

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Bayern Munich win the Bundesliga, with Werder Bremen, Stuttgart and Dortmund making up the Top 4. Schalke are relegated. 

 

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Monaco retain in France, with Auxerre very close, Lens join them in the CL next season. 

 

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Ajax and PSV separated by the narrowest of margins, with Ajax ultimately coming out on top. 

 

 

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Celtic pip Rangers to the Scottish PL title. 

 

 

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The Europa Conference League was won by Torino, narrowly beating Sevilla on penalties in the final. Torino knocked out relegated Wimbledon on their path to the final, incidentally Stan Collymore of Wimbledon actually finished as the tournament's top scorer. 

 

 

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Maradona's Napoli side wound up winners of a fairly stacked looking Europa League, beating Marseille on penalties in the final to win it. 

 

 

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An eventful European Cup ultimately saw Barcelona win it 2-0 in the final against AC Milan, in what was a clash of the two heavyweights of Europe and fairly inarguable best sides in the game at the moment. Baresi's early red card wasn't a great start for Milan, and it gave Barcelona the chance to win it fairly comfortably in the end, with goals from Romario and recent signing Luis Figo to seal the title.

Barcelona actually won the 1992 European Cup in the real time line too, so that's nice I guess. 

The tournament saw good runs from underdogs Valladolid and Kaiserslautern, with some exciting ties along the way including Milan smashing Roma in the Quarter Final and of course Arsenal/United too. 

 

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Euro 92 has come around and Harry Redknapp has named his squad. 

There's a few differences in this timeline, namely there are 24 sides instead of 8, thanks in part due to Harry championing it as a concept in his first presser in the new timeline. 

 

Original Timeline England Squad: 

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Gascoigne and Barnes both missed out through injury.

 

The New Timeline Squad (numbers not squad numbers FWIW): 

 

  1. David Seaman
  2. Chris Woods
  3. John Lukic
  4. Lee Dixon
  5. Tony Adams
  6. Des Walker 
  7. Stuart Pearce
  8. Martin Keown
  9. Steve Bruce
  10. Nigel Winterburn
  11. Keith Curle
  12. John Barnes
  13. Glen Hoddle
  14. David Batty
  15. Trevor Steven
  16. Paul Merson
  17. Chris Waddle
  18. Paul Gascoigne
  19. David Platt
  20. Gary Lineker
  21. Ian Wright
  22. Alan Smith
  23. Alan Shearer

 

Les Ferdinand would have gone if he hadn't picked up an injury a few weeks before the tournament. Tony Daley was also all set to go until he got injured in one of the last games of the season too, which meant a place for Trevor Steven instead. 

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The Group Stage saw Redknapp's England get a draw of France, Czechoslovakia and a Yugoslavia side that in the original timeline weren't even allowed into the tournament, however it seems in this timeline given UEFA needed to fill the tournament with 24 sides, an extraordinary exception was made. 

 

 

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Most of the excitement against Czechoslovakia came in the opening 25 minutes, with Karel Poborsky determined to try and get a big win for his country. Goals from Ian Wright and Gazza meant the game finished 2-2, with the second half overshadowed by a bad injury to John Barnes that would sadly see him miss the rest of the tournament...

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Harry's hopes of being a hero in his first tournament were sunk down by the unfortunate luck of the draw, which saw a strong Germany side finish behind Norway in their group, meaning England drew them even after winning their own group. 

It was a tight game, with Brehme's penalty and Wright's second half strike keeping things pretty even, until Germany broke on the counter and scored through maverick forward Rudi Voller. 

It was all over in the Round of 16 for Redknapp.

Given in the original timeline they went out in the Group Stage you would think it was an improvement, although in the original timeline only 8 sides qualified, so getting to the Round of 16 as an improvement may be hard to quantify.

Disappointment all the same.

Thankfully for the World Cup in 1994 the expectations were even lower, given in the original timeline England failed to qualify...

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Denmark failed to win the tournament as the dark horses they were in the original timeline. 

Yugoslavia (definitely not just Croatia...) knocked out the Germans, with an impressive Commonwealth of Independent States (definitely not just Ukraine...) side making the final, where they lost to plucky underdogs Belgium, who win the tournament. 

 

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A tournament much like the original ultimately dominated by plucky underdogs - refreshing to see given we have not seen much of that in the domestic or European club competitions!

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Andy Cole was sent out on loan to see how he can do in the First Division after the injury, with his future real side Newcastle United being his destination, this should be good as they're in the European Cup so we can see how he gets on in that too. 

David O'Leary was 34 this summer, whilst he did very well whilst Bould was injured, it seemed a good time for him to leave on the back of a title, he would only take a 2 year deal on reasonably big money which I didn't really want to give him. He leaves for Leeds United on a free transfer. 

 

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We needed another centre back and with the recent influx of French talent it seemed prudent to get someone who would be HG in. Wenger is reunited with Martin Keown, who joins from Everton on a £7.5M deal.

Another midfield player to challenge Paul Davis was another position to strengthen this summer, and Wenger could think of nobody better than the promising young Zinedine Zidane from Bordeaux. The French side wanted a very big fee for him, but given how good Wenger knew Zidane could become, it was a no brainer. 

 

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The transfer window began with some relatively big moves in June.

Liverpool looked to improve their defence by signing Roma defender Aldair for £13.25M, whilst Newcastle use some of their European Cup money to sign young American midfielder Claudio Reyna from Rangers. Muzzy Izzet leaves Leicester for Sunderland in a move that could end up being worth up to £7M. 

 

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The joint most expensive transfer of the window saw young Dutch winger Marc Overmars leave Ajax to join an already stacked AC Milan side in Serie A, whilst Real Madrid spend £16M too on French midfielder Youri Djorkaeff. 

Andreas Moller left Dortmund for Juve in a £15M move, whilst Real Madrid also looked to get a striker in, picking up experienced Italian forward Gianluca Vialli from Sampdoria. Dunga, the Brazilian defensive midfielder left Fiorentina for Inter Milan, whilst Didier Deschamps left Marseille for Inter. 

Diego Fuser left Lazio for PSG in a £11.75M, whilst Robert Jarni joins Real Madrid, which is pretty weird/random after @Sonic Youth mentioned it yesterday :D I guess he did eventually join them in real life anyway. 

Man United's big transfer in July was bringing in experienced right back Dave Watson from Everton. 

 

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August was a bit low key compared to July but it still saw a few interesting moves. Marseille spent big money on Bjarne Goldbaek and Roland Grahammer, whilst Jason Wilcox swapped Norwich for Derby in a big £9.25M move. Chris Marsden joins Coventry in another expensive English transfer, with Man United making one other big move, signing experienced Italian midfielder Carlo Ancelotti from AC Milan. Chris Woods, England keeper, joins Nottingham Forest from Rangers.

 

Other noteworthy transfers saw Stephane Carnot join Tottenham for £4M, Markus Feldhoff join Dortmund for £3.5M, Emiliano Bigica join Lazio for £3M and Chelsea paying £3.3M to sign Spanish midfielder Nayim. 

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A pretty decent group of Red Star, Sarajevo and Galatasaray for Arsenal. 

Maradona's Napoli winning the Europa League of course means there's 5 Italian sides in the Group Stage, Maradona's team will face off against Man United and Celtic in a tough group. 

Barcelona and AC Milan have to be the favourites I think, with Inter, Juve and Real Madrid all up there too. 

I think us and United have a decent chance, especially if Fergie makes use of some of the younger lads, as whilst he didn't spend big in the summer, he has got a lot of young talent like Giggs, Scholes, as well as Beckham and Gary Neville come through. 

If Aldair can improve Liverpool's defence sort of like Van Dijk did in the real timeline then they might be stronger contenders in Europe and the First Division this year, as last season they seemed to struggle a bit at the back despite being very good going forward. 

Monaco perhaps the dark horses.

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Whoa, Jarni happened! Buying best in International competitions is why I mentioned him and then, no matter if needed or not.

Hmm, Shevchenko and Rebrov are my next wondering. Also, Batistuta.

I’d completely forgot about Maradona as well. No league title or World Cup win for him yet?

Zidane is another Wengery type of almost signing as well. This time bought.

Has there been any Petit and Viera sightings yet?

Liverpool bought Hyypia and Henchoz soon for cheap.

Everton look like they were gutted.

Kewell at Leeds?

What year is this supposed to be again?

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7 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

Whoa, Jarni happened! Buying best in International competitions is why I mentioned him and then, no matter if needed or not.

Hmm, Shevchenko and Rebrov are my next wondering. Also, Batistuta.

I’d completely forgot about Maradona as well. No league title or World Cup win for him yet?

Zidane is another Wengery type of almost signing as well. This time bought.

Has there been any Petit and Viera sightings yet?

Liverpool bought Hyypia and Henchoz soon for cheap.

Everton look like they were gutted.

Kewell at Leeds?

What year is this supposed to be again?


Just going into the 92/93 season. 
 

Will have a look next time I’m on. Not seen Shevchenko or Rebrov yet I don’t think, pretty sure a pretty young Batistuta is at an Italian side. 
 

Napoli seem to struggle domestically, although Maradona did help them to UEFA Cup glory last season. Will be interesting to see how Argentina get on in the 94 World Cup, think Brazil won it originally iirc. 
 

Have been keeping an eye out for Vieira but don’t think he’s around yet. Petit I noticed was at Monaco the start of last season, enquired about both him and Makelele and where Monaco have been bossing it in France they demanded about 3-4 times what Nantes were asking for Makelele which made it an even easier decision on who to go for. 
 

Assuming given his age Hyypia must be in the game but haven’t seen him so he must either still be in the Nordic leagues or possibly at a smaller side in Europe. Not seen Henchoz or Harry Kewell yet that I can remember. 
 

Will be interesting to see how Everton cope this season yeah. Seem quite loaded up front but have been raided defensively. Neville Southall will have a lot to do in goal!

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I’ve just realised you’ve got the starting centre mids of galactical Real period before Makelele was sold!

Other names, Rivaldo at Barcelona, Redondo at Real Madrid, Totti, Nesta, Buffon, Seeforf, Davids, Maldini, Roy Keane (can’t win anything with kids period about to commence right?). So many names I remember and so many about to pop-up.

Strange no club take-overs 🤔

Was 94 the Owen moment against Argentina and Ayala?

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No Shevchenko yet, but an 18 year old Sergiy Rebrov is at PSG joining in the summer for £500K

No Harry Kewell yet. 

Rivaldo is at Deportivo who are 2nd tier in Spain. 

Redondo is currently at Tenerife. 

A very young Totti has just come through the ranks at Roma in the last intake, still in their youth team. 

A 16 year old Nesta is currently in the Lazio U18 side. 

No Buffon or Seedorf yet. 

Edgar Davids is a first-teamer at Ajax, whilst Roy Keane is currently a squad player at United.

I believe the Owen goal against Argentina was the 98 World Cup.

 

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1 hour ago, Jops14 said:

Out of interest where can you find this DB? And where's Maradona?

 

93/94 Ronaldo should be appearing


This is the one I used. 
 

Maradona currently at Napoli. 
 

Ronaldo should be interesting when he pops up as if he stays injury free he may be even more of a menace than he was in real life. 

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92/93 Mid Season Update

 

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The first trophy of the season was won as we beat QPR in the Charity Shield on penalties.

 

 

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Not so lucky on penalties in the League Cup, as we depart in the Semi Finals to Newcastle on penalties. 

 

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So far, so good in the FA Cup.

 

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Our defence has been a problem for the last few seasons, so I adapted our tactic a bit to be a little bit more secure at the back, whilst this worked it has also seen our goal scoring massively dry up which is a problem, so I have gone back to how we were playing before. We've also been unlucky with injuries, Paul Davis and Steve Bould have been injured quite a bit, with Makelele and Parlour also out at various points causing us problems in midfield and defence with games coming in thick and fast. 

Fairly confident we still finish in the Top 4 at least, although I think it may be Liverpool or United's year. 

 

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Weirdly in Europe albeit with a kind draw we've not been short of goals at all, smashing through our group with 16 games in 6 games. 

 

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The big surprise being Gijon just scraping past heavyweights AC Milan in their group, it was ultimately decided by a 3-2 loss in Milan's last game against Gijon which saw Ruud Gullit sent off in the first half which proved very costly. Torino and Porto get through a group against Werder Bremen and Monaco who both may have been fancied more, Celtic top a group with United and Maradona's Napoli.

RC Lens, managed by none other then Kevin Keegan top a group with Barcelona and Dortmund who ultimately went out. All of the English sides through with Newcastle getting through their group despite only being 8th in the 1st Division, perhaps the distraction of Europe helped cause that. 

 

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We get one of the most difficult ties as we face the holders Barcelona in the next round. 

Celtic seem to have a kind draw against Red Star, one of Gijon or Torino will make the Quarter Final, whilst some tasty ties with United/Juve, Ajax/Liverpool and Kevin Keegan's RC Lens against Newcastle.

 

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The big January transfers of 1993: 

 

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Thomas Doll joins Bayern from Hamburg for a £17M fee. 

 

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Stefan Effenberg joins Inter Milan from Bayern for £16.5M 

 

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A big move in the Premier League sees David Batty join Man United for £14M, originally he joined Blackburn who are still in the 2nd Division seemingly without big money. This could have interesting knock on effects for United, as they already have Paul Ince and Roy Keane jostling for 2 central midfield positions. They've also got 18 year old Paul Scholes, who may have his development at the club held back by this, although this season he's spent the season on loan at 2nd Division side Wimbledon under Brian Clough. 

 

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A few other transfers of note... 

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A few manager moves in the First Division. 

Everton sacked Howard Wilkinson in October, replacing him with former Arsenal manager George Graham. 

Graham Turned was sacked by Chelsea and replaced by David Pleat, who just a few weeks earlier had been sacked by Aston Villa.

Alan Ball took over at Villa, leaving Sheffield Wednesday for them, with Wednesday getting in Maurice Evans to fill their vacant role. 

Most recently, big Ron Atkinson who won the FA Cup and got QPR into the European Cup, was sacked for poor league position and they've got in Don Mackay in place of him. 

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End of Season 1992/93

 

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The original timeline saw Alex Ferguson take his first title at Man United, with good seasons for Aston Villa and Norwich. 

 

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This new timeline also saw Fergie's Man United reign supreme, although they did not have it quite so easy, with Liverpool running them very close up until the last day. United and Liverpool's form dipped a bit after Christmas, they kept dropping points in the title run in to the extent I thought we might have an outside chance at nicking it despite being like 7 points off still with like 5-6 games to go. In the end to finish 2 points and goal difference off was quite crazy and made it look like a 3 horse race, when it was nothing of the sort and we were nowhere for pretty much the entire season :D 

Liverpool had a mental season, Graeme Souness is really taking the we'll score more than you tactic to another level, as they break the all-time record for PL goals (more than City's 106 effort the other year IRL) although it shows you how bad their defence is that they conceded more goals than Villa who went down. We scored 48 goals less than them but only had an 8 goal difference worse than them :D 

Norwich much like in real life actually had a great season, pipping Newcastle, Spurs and Southampton to the 4th European Cup place, which was crazy as Norwich were always an outsider in that race, it looked certain to be one of the other 3 for pretty much the whole season but Norwich's late form much like ours propelled them higher than otherwise might have happened.

Villa didn't do quite so well, going down alongside Derby and a very poor Sheffield Wednesday side. 

 

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We only get Adams and Seaman in team of the year, with the rest being Liverpool and United players, other than Southampton's Rod Wallace who came 2nd in the goalscoring behind only Ian Rush who had the season of his life in Liverpool's crazy goal filled season.

 

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Wenger wins his first FA Cup, doing it the hard way, knocking out both Man United and Liverpool in the Semi and Final respectively. 

 

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We gave Barcelona a good go in the Round of 16, but ultimately last year's champions of Spain and Europe were too strong for us. Would've liked to have got further but they are a very good team and the small margins saw us lose. 

 

 

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Tony Adams probably our player of the season in what was a good season defensively for us compared to the last two. Ian Wright still impressive up front. Seaman good in goal. 

Steve Bould again spent the vast majority of the season injured, which is a worry, he's a useful player to have as 3rd/4th choice CB due to being English and HG etc, but we can't really afford him to miss as many games again next season as there were times we got lucky Adams, Desaily and Keown didn't get injured with how many games they had to play in the red zone. 

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Wenger's Career Record

 

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Season      Club                  League                Position           Achievements/Other
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1990/91     Arsenal FC            First Division          2nd              N/A
1991/92     Arsenal FC            First Division          1st              First Division & League Cup winners
1992/93     Arsenal FC            First Division          3rd              FA Cup & Charity Shield winners
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Arsenal's Trophy Cabinet in the Original Timeline

 

First Division/Premier League - x4 (1990/91, 1997/98, 2001/02 & 2003/04) 

FA Cup                        - x9 (1992-93, 1997/98, 2001/2, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2013/14, 2014/15, 2016/17 & 2019/20) 

League Cup                    - x1 (1992/93)

Charity/Community Shield      - x9 (1991/92, 1998/99, 1999/00, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2017/20 & 2020/21)

UEFA Cup Winners Cup          - x1 (1993/94)

 

 

Trophy Cabinet in the New Timeline

 

First Division             - x1 (1991/92) 

FA Cup                     - x1 (1992/93)

League Cup                 - x1 (1991/92)

Charity/Community Shield   - x1 (1992/93)

 

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Liverpool prevent an upset in the League Cup, beating Newcastle 4-1, with their goal actually coming from Arsenal loanee Andy Cole.

 

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Luton and Brian Clough's Wimbledon come straight back up into the First Division, but the hotly contested Second Division itself is actually won by Crystal Palace, managed by a young Steve Coppell. Blackburn narrowly miss out on the playoffs, with Crewe, Lincoln and Peterborough getting relegated. 

 

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Fulham win the 3rd Division, with Gillingham and Swansea joining them in getting promoted to the 2nd flight, whilst it is relegation for Carlisle, Southend, Huddersfield and Wigan. 

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AC Milan, despite their embarrassing group stage exit from the European Cup make it 3 Serie A's in a row, with Milan rivals Inter some 6 points off them, with Juve and Roma getting the remaining two European Cup spots next season. 

Maradona's Napoli wind up in 5th place and that really is one to watch this summer, as Diego could well be leaving Naples. His contract is expiring and I'm assuming they can't afford to keep him on or he's not interested in staying. They must've had some crazy clause or percent increase in one of their early contracts anyway as Maradona is currently on £100K p/w - which doesn't sound like a lot, but as the finances are nerfed at the start of the game this in the in-game terms is actually pretty insane money especially for a club like Napoli who have only been in the European Cup once through winning the Europa League. 

His £100K p/w is higher than anyone else in the game, the closest to him is Luis Figo and Ronald Koeman both on £60K p/w at Barca. The most we pay anyone is Ian Wright now on £40K p/w, with the highest PL wage being John Barnes on £52K.

The interesting thing is nobody has taken Diego on a bosman yet, presumably because his wage demands of £100k or higher are way too high even for the top sides like Barca or Real to consider paying. I first noticed in January and tried to get him (it's Maradona!) but his agent quoted £130K p/w and some insane signing on/agent fees which we could never afford in a million years. 

I doubt he joins Sevilla like in real life, most likely he goes to Real, Barca or one of the other Top 4 Italian sides I imagine, I really hope he doesn't go to United or Liverpool as they would be scary with him even at 32 :D 

 

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Real Madrid pip Barca to La Liga on the final day, with Valladolid and Gijon making up the Top 4 places. 

 

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Bayern are champions once more in Germany, although Gladbach got reasonably close to them, with Werder Bremen and Stuttgart up there with them. 

Spare a thought for Mannheim, who got just 1 point all season :D 

 

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Monaco make it 3 in a row in France, although Marseille got about as close as it is possible to get to usurping them this season. 

PSG in 3rd place, with Nantes, Kevin Keegan's RC Lens and Metz also getting into Europe next season. 

 

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Bobby Robson's PSV win their first Dutch title of the save, with Ajax falling to 3rd, behind a Feyenoord side boosted by top scorer a young Henrik Larsson. 

 

 

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Rangers are champions in Scotland, finishing 9 points ahead of Billy McNeil's Bhoys side with a far superior goal difference to boot too. 

 

 

 

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The Europa Conference League was won by Marseille, who beat Bari 2-1 in the final. 

 

 

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PSG wound out winners of a tough UEFA Cup competition, which saw favourites AC Milan eliminated at the Quarter Final stage after their earlier European Cup exit. Feyenoord were propelled to the final by the goals of Henrik Larsson, though he could not get past the PSG defence in the final even in spite of similarly named Danish hero Henrik Larsen getting a red card late on. It was Igor Stimac's goal in extra-time that got PSG the win. 

 

 

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Barcelona make it an incredible two European Cups in a row, after knocking us out, they smashed past Celtic, Liverpool and then narrowly beat Juventus on penalties in the final. 

Newcastle had a decent run before being embarrassed by Inter Milan in the Quarters, with Juve then smashing past Inter in a crazy goal-filled all-Italian Semi Final tie. Liverpool did well to knock out a strong Real Madrid side, but it seems Barca were too much for them. Real Madrid in terms of the Spanish title may well have benefitted from going out earlier and the extra games could've cost Barca, but given they've retained the European Cup I doubt they will mind!

 

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Diego decides to stay in Italy, rejecting Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Man United to join AC Milan on 97K p/w. 

 

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That's one way for them to make sure they do better in the European Cup next season :D 

 

They now have Diego Maradona, Marco Van Basten, Marc Overmars, Ruud Gullit, Frank Rijkaard, Christophe Duggary, Giovene Elber, as well as a defence featuring Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini, Costacurta and a young Cafu :D 

 

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59 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:

They now have Diego Maradona, Marco Van Basten, Marc Overmars, Ruud Gullit, Frank Rijkaard, Christophe Duggary, Giovene Elber, as well as a defence featuring Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini, Costacurta and a young Cafu :D 

 

Which one’s in goal?! :D

Cafu’s joined Milan?

I don’t recognise that Doll player!

The Larsson v Larsson Final in the UEFA Cup! Both lost though, even with one picking up a winners medal.

Is it time yet for Figo to join Real Madrid? Or is it another season away? Raul must be coming through soon! And Morientes. Torres to stay in the white side of Madrid this time? Hierro!

Oh, and looks a tough league this last season. It looks like you need Sol Campbell and United need Cantona :D :lock:

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On 28/06/2021 at 16:34, Sonic Youth said:

Which one’s in goal?! :D

Cafu’s joined Milan?

I don’t recognise that Doll player!

The Larsson v Larsson Final in the UEFA Cup! Both lost though, even with one picking up a winners medal.

Is it time yet for Figo to join Real Madrid? Or is it another season away? Raul must be coming through soon! And Morientes. Torres to stay in the white side of Madrid this time? Hierro!

Oh, and looks a tough league this last season. It looks like you need Sol Campbell and United need Cantona :D :lock:

 

Their keeper is Sebastiano Rossi at the moment, they also seem to have a 20 year old Carlo Cudicini as his understudy! 

Cafu seems to have joined Milan on a relatively low fee a few years back so I missed that one happening I think. 

I think Figo to Barcelona and Sol to Arsenal are unlikely to happen unless they go to other clubs first. One of those things where real life is stranger than fiction :D 

I'd love to get Sol, but Tottenham quoted me at £69M when I bought Keown and he was only like 18 or something :D Considering record in the game at that point wasn't even £20M I think that's a no. 

United do actually have Cantona to be fair :D 

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A very low key summer transfer window, although in fairness after I'd renewed a few contracts our budget was only £16M. 

Andy Cole has come back from a season at Newcastle where he 18 in 31 First Division games, which after a really bad injury I think is good enough to give him a real chance next season. He's basically like a new signing. I've let Paul Dickov go on loan to Rangers which he was supposed to 2 seasons ago before Cole got that nasty injury. 

Paul Davis isn't getting any younger so I thought it a good time to get another quality midfielder in. Petit, Zidane and Makelele is pretty great, with Zidane able to play out left, Pires able to go out right as well, we've also got Ray Parlour and Rocastle who can play right or centre, so I feel we're quite stacked now and I'm happy with what we've got. 

Petit looks great on the game, although he wasn't Wenger's first choice. The first choice was Ajax's wonderkid 20 year old Edgar Davids, although Ajax wanted over £20M which Arsenal ultimately couldn't afford - Petit by no means a bad choice to get in! 

With the £4M we had left I did try to sign a 16 year old Thierry Henry, although sadly Monaco wouldn't sell him for any less than £18M which again we couldn't afford or justify when we don't really need a striker :D 

 

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One day he will be mine :D 

 

Especially as you'll see from the other transfers, one another future Arsenal Wenger legend may not ever become an Arsenal player... 

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The window got off to a flyer, with Spurs looking to to ensure they can get in the Top 4 by putting a lot of eggs in the Les Ferdinand basket. He's a very good striker so this seems like a strong move for them and pretty sure he went there in real life too. Liverpool also went after QPR by taking former Arsenal player Michael Thomas joins Liverpool, which is kind of cool I guess as he went to them after Arsenal in the real time line. 

The other big move sees Man United sign another forward, with young Trinidadian striker Dwight Yorke joining from Villa in another move emulating real life.

John Hartson's goals helped Luton get promoted, but he won't get a chance to help them stay up, as he takes the plunge to join Leicester City. Tony Daley joins Chelsea from Villa, and Dalian Atkinson (RIP) leaves Villa for West Ham. Villa it seems were certainly pillaged after their relegation. 

 

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So yeah, the big one is Barcelona, not content with 2 European Cups on the bounce, look to cement their legacy by signing none other than Dennis Bergkamp. In the real timeline I think Inter being a shambles and him not settling in the country contributed to him not being rated as much and the chance to move to Arsenal, but it seems in the game he had none of that and excelled at Inter, so much so that arguably the best/richest side in the game have gone after him. Very hard to see how we get him to Arsenal unless it's later in his career when Barcelona have some shinier younger toys in 5-6 years time. 

George Weah swapped Monaco for Real Madrid in £20M move, with French international Jean Pierre Papin also leaving France, him Marseille for a fairly ambitious looking Roma side who also spent £12M on Thomas Habler from Juve. 

A young Pipo Inzaghi joins Napoli, which as far as Diego Maradona replacement's go that seems a fairly decent one. 

Barcelona also bought Javi de Pedro, Carlos Secretario and Dariusz Wosz in a big summer for them.

Zvonimir Boban joining Monaco from AC Milan seems a big move, guessing with so much talent at AC Milan they didn't need him anymore. 

David James, who once upon a time in the original timeline joined Liverpool actually joins Leeds from Watford which seems like great business for Leeds. 

Davor Suker joins Inter Milan from Sevilla which seems another solid addition to an already strong Inter side. 

 

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August a bit more low key although Chris Coleman joined Luton from relegated Villa and Henrik Larsen (not that one) joins Rangers :D 

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As we didn't win the league we weren't 1st seeds so naturally we have a harder group, however I still think we've done okay. Monaco are a strong side, but we beat Galatasaray last season and I doubt Goteborg will offer much. 

Milan must be fuming as they failed to get out of a group with Liverpool and Gijon last season and now have them again, alongside a half decent Werder Bremen side :D You would think with Diego they should get through it this time though. 

Barcelona you would have to make the favorites once again, but AC Milan if they can get through their group will surely be hoping to challenge this time. In real timeline the final saw Milan beat Barcelona, you would not be surprised to see a repeat this time. 

Man United are stronger this year than last season and I would fancy them to do some damage, Liverpool again have a poor defence but going forward can out gun just about anyone.

Real Madrid and Inter not to be discounted either, with Roma strengthening in the summer and Juve of course made the Semi Finals last season. 

Norwich in a group with Real Madrid and Rangers should be interesting, Newcastle had a decent run last season, we will see how Norwich get on with the distraction of CL football in the 1st Division this time, it did not seem to suit Newcastle last year. 

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An interesting change is to some extent managers less likely than in real life to gamble on young talent. 

Aside from Ryan Giggs who is absolutely flying, Alex Ferguson seems less likely to take a chance on the Class of 92, given he won the title last season who could blame him I guess. 

Lee Sharpe has been sold to Leeds, whilst David Beckham at 18 will go on loan to 1st Division side Leicester City. Paul Scholes, also 18, spent last season helping Brian Clough's Crazy Gang Wimbledon promoted, and this season he gets the chance to help them out in the top tier too. 

Phil Neville is on loan at relegation battling Coventry, whilst Nicky Butt and his brother Gary are on loan at a recently relegated Aston Villa side seeking to come back up. 

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Oh and the Shearer/Rush combination at Liverpool has interesting repercussions for Robbie Fowler. In the real timeline the 93/94 season was his first full one for Liverpool, but it will not be so in this one, as he spends this season on loan at Luton :D 

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2 hours ago, PaulHartman71 said:

David James, who once upon a time in the original timeline joined Liverpool actually joins Leeds from Watford which seems like great business for Leeds.

Liverpool bought Walter Zenga for £10M from Inter is why David James wasn’t bought.

All those youngsters on loan!

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14 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

Liverpool bought Walter Zenga for £10M from Inter is why David James wasn’t bought.

All those youngsters on loan!


Zenga certainly has a job on his hands given how many goals they conceded last season :D 

Be interesting to see how quickly the Class of 92 develop without regular exposure at the top level. Could do with them all cracking on as if they take longer could have an impact on the England set up 

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