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26 minutes ago, ginnybob said:

Those 3 penalty misses have been rushing around my head all night/morning. We're here again and it's gutting. 

Going to take a while to get over this one. 

Pretty much the same, I’ve seen them lose or flop a few more times than most of you probably, but it really seemed the stars had aligned this time with the draw etc, and it still went tits up at the final hurdle, and maybe it’s because of that, but this one hurts way more.

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15 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Not sure its the best time to be posting that 

When is? Nips ignorant comments about Shaw or Grealish in the bud. It's not only Keane saying it.

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3 minutes ago, Jorg said:

Southgate did say the penalty choices were on him so that should be good enough to be honest.  Maybe Gareth should stay away from anything to do with penalties!  ;)

No one believed Southgate's words, even though he went into depth about why it was his decision, talking about training etc.

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5 minutes ago, Jorg said:

Just on the penalties.  What a penalty by Maguire!  :cool:

What a feeling it must be to smash it top corner like that in such a pressure situation

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1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said:

What a feeling it must be to smash it top corner like that in such a pressure situation

While breaking the camera as well!  :D

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I’m guessing pretty much no one criticising players for not taking pens has any idea of what’s happening in training.

For all we know the likes of Rashford, Sancho and Saka are smashing them in every time while Grealish and Sterling are blazing them high or wide most of the time, but we should go with the latter just because they have more experience.

I could maybe understand if someone who didn’t take a penalty had a track record of taking them successfully for their club, but I don’t think that applied to anyone last night.

 

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Just now, Bigwig said:

I’m guessing pretty much no one criticising players for not taking pens has any idea of what’s happening in training.

For all we know the likes of Rashford, Sancho and Saka are smashing them in every time while Grealish and Sterling are blazing them high or wide most of the time, but we should go with the latter just because they have more experience.

I could maybe understand if someone who didn’t take a penalty had a track record of taking them successfully for their club, but I don’t think that applied to anyone last night.

Exactly.  I remember looking at it with five minutes to go and at that point England had one penalty taker on the pitch and that was Kane.  The only thing I found strange was Rashford and Sancho were ready to come on as the second half of extra-time kicked off so I'm not sure why they waited so long to get them on.

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9 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Pretty much me 

I’m sat here at work just completely empty. A few customers have rang up and I think it’s the least helpful I’ve ever been :D. All I can muster is one word answers.

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3 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Imagine losing a Champions League final and a Euros final in the space of a few months :( 

The Community Shield might just finish you off. 

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Whilst it is gutting that we lost last night - including the manner of the defeat - I am most buoyed today when I look at where our squad is at right now.

When you look at what we achieved over the past 4 weeks, and then at the ages of the players, the future is looking very bright indeed. Mostly in the attacking areas, but then you want more experience in your more defensive players.

Rice, Mount, Foden, Rashford, Sancho, Saka, Bellingham all 23 or under and should all hopefully be far from their best.

Even the oldest players in the squad, Walker and Henderson, have only just turned 31.

Phillips, Grealish, Shaw, Sterling all 25/26 and have another 4 good tournaments left in them.

Then you have the likes of Maguire and Kane who still have a few tournaments left in them too.

It's actually quite exciting where this squad is at right now, before you factor other players who will come to the fore over the next few years.

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2 minutes ago, oche balboa said:

World Cup 2022, Its coming home fellas

Lets keep the faith and back the players. We do need to find another CB and another striker

CM needs sorting big time.

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Yeah last night hurts. But overall the tournament was mega fun and surpassed my expectations. So I'm not going to complain too much. And try to stay away from finger pointing while it's so fresh

All I want from England at a major comp are some nice memories. And I have some great ones this year. The Germany game and win was probably the most pumped I've ever been for a game/result. The atmosphere in the ground after the game will be a classic England memory for decades to come. 

And while the result last night sucked, I can honestly say I enjoyed every minute last night. Maybe 'enjoyed' not the right word. Relished maybe. I promised myself I'd savour every moment yesterday as it was historical and I think I did.  It was stressful and heartbreaking at times but overall it's a football day I'll never forget. 

Coupled with the promising talents coming through I'm optimistic.  This doesn't feel like the only chance we will get IMO

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1 hour ago, Barry Cartman said:

Not many other occasions as a football fan where i've celebrated a moment more than that Pickford save from Jorginho


Biblical scenes in the pub I was in. Went so mad I don’t think half of us realised Saka missing meant we’d lost :D 

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9 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:


Biblical scenes in the pub I was in. Went so mad I don’t think half of us realised Saka missing meant we’d lost :D 

I didn't either. Saka missed and I was waiting for the next Italian taker. I don't think Donnarumma strolling off to the side with no celebration after saving it helped

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1 hour ago, Barry Cartman said:

Not many other occasions as a football fan where i've celebrated a moment more than that Pickford save from Jorginho

Even with Jorginho's record, for some reason I had absolute confidence Pickford was saving it. Feel for him really, he had a fantastic shootout, can't really ask for more from a keeper.

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1 minute ago, Astafjevs said:

I didn't either. Saka missed and I was waiting for the next Italian taker. I don't think Donnarumma strolling off to the side with no celebration after saving it helped

I thought he knew he was off his line so was expecting a VAR retake, couldn't understand what was going on at all for several moments 

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24 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

I thought he knew he was off his line so was expecting a VAR retake, couldn't understand what was going on at all for several moments 

No chance. First of all, he was perfectly on the line and also there would've been a minimal chance of it being ordered to be re-taken even if he was off the line, considering that it was never picked up at the tournament.

He was just trying to be cool with it. Like it's a regular job to make a EURO winning penalty save.

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7 minutes ago, outlander said:

No chance. First of all, he was perfectly on the line and also there would've been a minimal chance of it being ordered to be re-taken even if he was off the line, considering that it was never picked up at the tournament.

VAR was checking every penalty.

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3 minutes ago, outlander said:

No chance. First of all, he was perfectly on the line and also there would've been a minimal chance of it being ordered to be re-taken even if he was off the line, considering that it was never picked up at the tournament.

He was just trying to be cool with it. Like it's a regular job to make a EURO winning penalty save.

Of course it would have, Sommer didn't celebrate against France until the ref gave him the ok from VAR 

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Was mentioned above but Walker did feel like a cheat player with speed and recovery maxed out for most of the tournament. 

I wanted England to win but wouldn't call myself an England fan. What's annoying is it was the best possible chance to do it and it wasn't a feeling of England gave everything but Italy edged it, because everything was left on the bench far too long.

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1 hour ago, Barry Cartman said:

Maguire with some guts to step up with that record 

Must admit I wasn't happy when he stepped up, especially because I think he'd been overhitting passes in a trying too hard way all game. Best pen of the tournament though

Looking at that record, you can't really say there's a queue of players that should have been taking them. I think the Stones penalty was a Panenka in pre-season, and the Shaw penalty was rubbish

 

23 minutes ago, skybluedave said:

Seeing the pics of Saka post game are breaking my heart. Hope the guy bounces back, and has a good support network. Footballing community in this country really can't afford to let him down. 

I'm imagining Gareth's words being "it'll all seem worth it when you're England manager in 30 years time" :D 

 

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Just remember that if this tournament were held in 2020 we probably would have had Eric Dier, Jesse Lingard and Callum Wilson in the squad instead of some of the names we had that only came good last season.

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2 minutes ago, Heartwork said:

Just remember that if this tournament were held in 2020 we probably would have had Eric Dier, Jesse Lingard and Callum Wilson in the squad instead of some of the names we had that only came good last season.

Could've done with Dier in the shootout tbf.

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4 minutes ago, Heartwork said:

Just remember that if this tournament were held in 2020 we probably would have had Eric Dier, Jesse Lingard and Callum Wilson in the squad instead of some of the names we had that only came good last season.

So we still wouldn't have won it.

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5 minutes ago, VP. said:

So we still wouldn't have won it.

No but might not have even reached the final.

I'm not going to make any guesses for who'll be in the 2022 squad because so much can change in 18 months and there are players we might not even know that could suddenly turn into world beaters. We should keep an eye on Dortmund's young English players and how Omar Richards does at Bayern, for example (because Bayern have clearly seen something in him that the rest of us haven't and it would be great if they can bring that out of him). I'm hoping Lille give Angel Gomes his chance to show what he can do after a decent season on loan in Portugal. This time next year we could move from Phillips and Rice to debating about how a midfield duo of Bellingham and Garner would work.

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Have said it before but I hope one of the elite clubs buy Rice and play him at centre half. It’s the position best suited to his abilities by far. Him playing in midfield for West Ham reeks of a team playing their best player further forward because they need to.

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