The Jack Grealish (and occasionally England) Thread: It's coming home attempt 5782570

[themadsheep2001]

35 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

That was his point, and Sterling has been great for England in recent years for Southgate 

Sterling wasn't anywhere near his best, and yet was still effective and Croatia hated having to deal with him. Outside of rotation there would be no reason for Southgate to not have faith in him again. 

[Rob1981]

8 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said:

How is thinking about how many defenders Aguero has on him not looking into them?

I’m pointing out why it’s absurdly hard to compare players at different clubs on these sorts of stats. Hence why I wouldn’t look twice at them to inform an international team selection.

Really don’t know why you are so desperate to pick a fight with everyone, especially when I’ve never once said that Grealish shouldn’t be playing.

[Baptista_8]

I'm really not trying to pick fights at all mate. Genuinely 

[skybluedave]

Building a successful international side is tough and while club form is important it shouldn't be your go to. You gotta find that balance between club form and international form. Plenty of successful international sides ignore club form. Giroud at France. Klose for Germany. You don't have time to build up relationships and patterns of play like clubs do. 

This isn't aimed at you Baptista at all but too many people don't follow England between tournaments and turn up during the summer and expect Henderson to start over Pickford for example. Or moan why aren't we playing this formation and these players. Basically just playing FM with a pool of players. Ignoring all the work an international manager does between tournaments behind the scenes. Sterling & Kane is an established partnership for England. Now as a manager you have to weigh up the value of that partnership versus trying an untested partnership but with a more in form player. 

And by work in-between that can go both ways. Should Grealish have been involved for example earlier. Probably. But players like Sancho and Bellingham we introduced into the squad quite early. I remember everybody being critical of Southgate because he called up Bellingham after a handful of appearances but now we have a quality 17 year old who's been in a few squads now for his age and we are comfortable chucking him on for last 10 mins at a Euros. Yes most importantly he's a good player but it's much better being able to use him knowing that's been in 2 or 3 squads already. Knows the set up, knows the players etc. 

It's a lot more work then simply picking the 11 players in the best form at club level. You'd be chopping and changing squads every international break. 

 

[Marc Albrighton]

Yea i love Grealish too and he deserves to be there with the squad but the whole thing is turning into a bit of a cringeworthy meme really, already bored of it.

[CMOZZA]

Err..... who wants to tell them??

[Marc Albrighton]

8 minutes ago, CMOZZA said:

Err..... who wants to tell them??

Its still up aswell which is pretty remarkable.

[Butts]

1 minute ago, Marc Albrighton said:

Its still up aswell which is pretty remarkable.

Taken down now.

[EdL]

Tempted to add Grea***h to auto moderated words in a post so we can stop talking about this boring s**t

[Baptista_8]

22 minutes ago, EdL said:

Tempted to add Grea***h to auto moderated words in a post so we can stop talking about this boring s**t

Go for it pal

[Rob1981]

How many are we sticking past Scotland, Gareth?

Good man

[Barry Cartman]

12 hours ago, EdL said:

Tempted to add Grea***h to auto moderated words in a post so we can stop talking about this boring s**t

or auto correct it to Sterling 

[Barry Cartman]

 

[PaulHartman71]

Didn’t even know you could still make changes for injuries. Is it a goalkeeper specific rule?

[Bigwig]

I’m sure Grealish could cover in goal if needed. 

[Barry Cartman]

3 minutes ago, Bigwig said:

I’m sure Grealish could cover in goal if needed. 

Why do you think we wanted to bring so many right backs

Most CL appearances in goal in the squad now

 

[arenaross]

He'd be better than Sterling in goal I'm sure... 

[arenaross]

Isn't Ramsdale rubbish anyway? Do we only have 3 decent keepers these days? 

[adhikapp]

5 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Didn’t even know you could still make changes for injuries. Is it a goalkeeper specific rule?

Yea it's a rule specifically for this tournament. You can replace the keeper if he's injured even after the first game.

[Tony85]

5 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Didn’t even know you could still make changes for injuries. Is it a goalkeeper specific rule?

Yes.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/0269-126056345f3d-cbd4b7ed8458-1000--euro-rules-you-might-not-know/

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To mitigate the risks of teams facing a shortage of available players due to possible positive COVID-19 tests and subsequent quarantine measures, it has been decided to exceptionally increase the squads for all participating teams to 26 players. However, 23 players will remain the maximum number permitted for each individual match.

Once squads have been submitted, there can be unlimited replacements before the first match in the event of serious injury or illness (including COVID-19 or 'close contact' to a positive case). Goalkeepers can be replaced during the tournament in the event of physical incapacity, even if one or two goalkeepers in the squad are still available. A player who has been replaced cannot be re-added to the squad.

 

[Barry Cartman]

1 minute ago, arenaross said:

Isn't Ramsdale rubbish anyway? Do we only have 3 decent keepers these days? 

You're already stretching the term decent with 3 

[adhikapp]

I'd say Pickford, Pope, and Henderson are a decent set of 3 keepers.

[Smallen]

Pickford rightly gets stick for his Everton form, but he has been mostly very good for England.

[oche balboa]

58 minutes ago, adhikapp said:

I'd say Pickford, Pope, and Henderson are a decent set of 3 keepers.

Johnstone is worthy of being England's Number 1.

[Rob1981]

FACT: Aaron Ramdale the first emergency keeper to be added to an England squad since Dave Beasant at Italia 90.

[Pukey]

1 hour ago, Smallen said:

Pickford rightly gets stick for his Everton form, but he has been mostly very good for England.

He was garbage for a bit, but hasn't he been pretty much fine for a while for Everton anyway? 

[Baptista_8]

9 minutes ago, Pukey said:

He was garbage for a bit, but hasn't he been pretty much fine for a while for Everton anyway? 

I thought the same. I remember him having a shocking period of form but I think it was actually the season before last (although they do blend in a bit in my mind cos of the short break). Can't remember him doing a lot wrong for a while though.

[Barry Cartman]

23 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

FACT: Aaron Ramdale the first emergency keeper to be added to an England squad since Dave Beasant at Italia 90.

pffft

 

[Haguey]

Ramsdale is fine, not that much difference between him and Henderson though neither are amazing. Fine to sit on the bench though.

[Smallen]

24 minutes ago, Pukey said:

He was garbage for a bit, but hasn't he been pretty much fine for a while for Everton anyway? 

I think so.

I know for certain he turns into the world’s worst goalkeeper when he plays Newcastle because he gets so radge against us though . Ancelotti dropped him for one of our fixtures this season because he knew this.

[Barry Cartman]

I wonder why, he who shall not be named, is training on his own 

[Guest]

Just now, Barry Cartman said:

I wonder why, he who shall not be named, is training on his own 

Do you mean Greaxxxh?

[CMOZZA]

15 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

I wonder why, he who shall not be named, is training on his own 

Load management I would presume,  as he's been on a tailored programme at Villa. Not taken part in all of our sessions for a while.

Either that or Southgate saw his volley from yesterday's session plastered all over social media and banished him from the group for hogging the limelight

[Smallen]

Jackie doesn’t need training because he’s already perfect 😍😍😍

[craigcwwe]

Whether we get that far or not ITV said during one of the games yesterday that the two SFs and the Final will have a crowd of 45000, up from the 22500 permitted atm. 

[Baptista_8]

11 minutes ago, Smallen said:

Jackie doesn’t need training because he’s already perfect 😍😍😍

Edited June 15, 2021 by Baptista_8

[pearcey_90]

Can't wait for Friday. Talks of rain too, so should give the game an extra spicy with some nice slide tackles  

Probably can see both full backs rested and maybe Foden too. Wouldn't rule out Henderson starting either, but they're the changes I can probably see happening if we were to make any. Match Scotlands tempo from word go, I fancy us to win 3-0 (minimum).

[craigcwwe]

I don't expect sweeping changes in the second game. Might be one or two but I wouldn't expect anymore than that.

[skybluedave]

I think we will see a left back in and no other changes. 

I'm looking forward much more to the game with a win under our belt already. If we'd lost to Croatia I could see Friday being awful. Tense and turgid but now we should be more comfortable and with Scotland needing to go for it the possibility to kill them on the counter. 

[darren1983]

Doesn't matter what team is picked we'll still have 3 pages of moaning about it  

Edited June 15, 2021 by darren1983

[Rob1981]

Should be a much better game on Friday now that Scotland have lost.  They will need to come out and play a bit so hopefully nice and open.  If they'd won yesterday they would have probably shut up shop and tried to grind out a point... then people would be screaming for Southgate's head when we didn't win 5-0.

Going to see a few changes I reckon.  Shaw or Chilwell coming in, probably Grealish and/or Sancho getting on if not starting.  I think if Henderson is getting close to full fitness he will get some minutes in the second half as well, especially if we are a couple of goals up by then.  Gareth is generally pretty good at managing everyone's playing time and keeping people sharp.  He will alreay be looking ahead to the R16 or even a potential quarter final... bound to get a suspension or someone picking up a niggle if we get that far... he will want to make sure whatever options we can bring in at that point haven't been sat on the sidelines since the last friendly three weeks before.

[themadsheep2001]

35 minutes ago, skybluedave said:

I think we will see a left back in and no other changes. 

I'm looking forward much more to the game with a win under our belt already. If we'd lost to Croatia I could see Friday being awful. Tense and turgid but now we should be more comfortable and with Scotland needing to go for it the possibility to kill them on the counter. 

Maybe 2-3 to freshen us up a bit but agree. My biggest worry is Kane though. Even before his busted ribs he was a passenger.

I'd be very suprised if we didnt use all the subs and relatively early though, keep the squad sharp. I think he will want to get this won, so he can rotate more heavily against the Czech ahead of what will like be a very tough 2nd tie

[skybluedave]

I think we will win but I really can't see it being a thrashing. Unless we blow them away with some early goals and things get out of hand. Scotland have zero pressure and massive motivation. That's a dangerous combo whoever you are. 

[Rob1981]

Assuming yellow cards are wiped after the group stage... so I think Foden will play against Scotland and then be dropped for the Czech game if he doesn't get another booking.

Play him against Scotland and he might be suspended for the Czechs... no problem.

If he is still one yellow card after Friday you wouldn't play him against the Czechs if we are already through and then risk him being out for the R16.

[themadsheep2001]

1 minute ago, skybluedave said:

I think we will win but I really can't see it being a thrashing. Unless we blow them away with some early goals and things get out of hand. Scotland have zero pressure and massive motivation. That's a dangerous combo whoever you are. 

I think its going to be maybe a little comfortable on the scoreline , ie 2-0. But much more hard fought than the scoreline suggests

[ryan045]

1 hour ago, Crazy_Ivan said:

Do you mean Greaxxxh?

G*******. Wtf they did mute it!

[skybluedave]

19 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

Maybe 2-3 to freshen us up a bit but agree. My biggest worry is Kane though. Even before his busted ribs he was a passenger.

I'd be very suprised if we didnt use all the subs and relatively early though, keep the squad sharp. I think he will want to get this won, so he can rotate more heavily against the Czech ahead of what will like be a very tough 2nd tie

This is defo a game for Grealish against a low back 5 you'd think. I think he will stick with Foden and Sterling but Grealish defo getting a run out IMO

[Barry Cartman]

I forgot about that Foden Yellow card, that was ridiculous

Ref wasn't even going to give a foul, then just stopped the game and brought out a Yellow 

[pearcey_90]

28 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

Should be a much better game on Friday now that Scotland have lost.  They will need to come out and play a bit so hopefully nice and open.  If they'd won yesterday they would have probably shut up shop and tried to grind out a point... then people would be screaming for Southgate's head when we didn't win 5-0.

Probably still expect that in truth, as a 0-0 draw for Scotland is huge for them and leaves it in their own hands final game to go through (as 4 points in 3rd should be enough). Even a low 1-0 defeat gives them a chance. Basically they don't need to fully go for it, but hopefully they're naive and do it anyway

[sc91]

I'd think in years gone by England would see this as forgone conclusion, bit of arsehole arrogance, but Scotland were very unlucky yesterday so I can see England taking the challenge seriously.