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Pickford, Walker, Stones, Rice, Mount and Kane are all certainties to start I think. Shaw and Foden highly probable. Sterling likely. Leaves CB and CM open if 433, or CB and RWB if 343.

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Recipe for disaster if we line up with a 3-4-3 against Croatia. As we’ll only have two games trying the 4-3-3 at best with some of our stronger players. Then come last 16, if we win group, it’s one of the heavyweights and back to the ‘safety’ of 3-4-3. 
Honestly don’t know what team we’d even play if 3-4-3. Does Trippier play RWB where he’s been great for Atletico? Or James as he’s been playing it for Chelsea. Same for left side, Chilwell who’s used to it, or Shaw who’s arguably the more in form player. The CBS? Walker, Stones and Mings? But then if 3, you surely start Coady. So Stones right side and Mings left side? But that’s dropping Walker. Not even got onto the CM pairing in that, and then the 3 up top. As it’s likely Mount could be one of the three if that formation. Just so many questions still.

Like other nations will maybe have decisions over a couple of positions, like Portugal for example it’s who starts in their front three. France, who leads the line etc. But one thing they have, they know the formation they’ll likely play. 

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Do fans still vote for it? Joe Hart got one versus San Marino iirc.

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33 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said:

How many POTM's is that for him now for England? Only 6 caps (even less starts)

Romania, Belgium and Ireland games I think.

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Agree another CB is the right decision, worryingly thin there. Although a bit light in CM, there’s still enough there to cobble something reasonable together between Rice, Bellingham, Mount, Phillips, Henderson. 

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In the first game vs Croatia, there is no point risking J.Henderson or Maguire.

I would like to see a 4411:

Pickford

Walker Stones White Shaw

Sancho Rice Mount Rashford

Grealish

Kane

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I feel like Mings against a decent team could have a heroic performance making blocks and clearances all game, and is liable to drop a clanger against any team likely to be playing on the break against us. 

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White is ace, and can cover DM in an emergency as well. Him or JWP was always the most logical choice. 

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Just now a question who plays together at the back. Going to be a right mishmash with the pairing having never played together, and potentially one of the pairing playing on the side they're not familiar with as surely Mings can't be a starter after these last two games :D 

Stones - White? (Or vice versa)

Coady - Stones (Or vice versa)

Walker - Stones - White

Walker - Coady - Stones

Stones - Coady - White

I think it'll be Stones - Mings though, simply because they've been together in England squads enough to know each other from training and Southgate will insist on it being a CB that's 'comfortable' out on the left.

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Think White was the right choice, played well in the minutes he's had. Shame the Stevie G wannabe wasn't dropped as well, not fit and could have cost us the game with his antics yesterday. 

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Mings will be fine if he does get the nod. Better to get a horrible performance out the way now before the tournament starts. 

 

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Just now, aiston said:

James Ward-Prowse should have went, huge mistake from Southgate.

I'd have taken him, but don't think anyone after the tournament is going to be slating him for not taking JWP :D  

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White over JWP shouldn't be the problem. Think Mings included in the original squad is what's more of a pressing concern.

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29 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said:

Just now a question who plays together at the back. Going to be a right mishmash with the pairing having never played together, and potentially one of the pairing playing on the side they're not familiar with as surely Mings can't be a starter after these last two games :D 

Stones - White? (Or vice versa)

Coady - Stones (Or vice versa)

Walker - Stones - White

Walker - Coady - Stones

Stones - Coady - White

I think it'll be Stones - Mings though, simply because they've been together in England squads enough to know each other from training and Southgate will insist on it being a CB that's 'comfortable' out on the left.

I think it will be Stones Mings

For Croatia I'd go:

Shaw, Stones, White, Walker

Phillips 

Mount Bellingham (id actually go Grealish but there's absolutely no chance of a Mount/Grealish pairing)

Foden Kane Sancho

 

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17 minutes ago, aiston said:

James Ward-Prowse should have went, huge mistake from Southgate.

There's an argument for taking him, but I don't think not taking a player who'd have been sat on the bench for the most part anyway is going to make any real difference to our chances. 

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22 minutes ago, aiston said:

James Ward-Prowse should have went, huge mistake from Southgate.

"huge mistake" come on man, have some perspective. Not taking someone that would hardly get a kick is not a huge mistake and will have little to no impact on how well England do :D 

England fans will moan over bloody anything Southgate does :D 

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23 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

I'd have taken him, but don't think anyone after the tournament is going to be slating him for not taking JWP :D  

Not even MLG? :D 

 

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I am a touch surprised that he went for a centre back rather than a midfielder, unless Southgate was joking about Trent having the capability of playing in the centre as a reason to include him? 

Either he's worried about Maguire or Mings.

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3 minutes ago, The_jagster said:

I am a touch surprised that he went for a centre back rather than a midfielder, unless Southgate was joking about Trent having the capability of playing in the centre as a reason to include him? 

Either he's worried about Maguire or Mings.

Maguire looks even further off than Henderson

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6 minutes ago, The_jagster said:

I am a touch surprised that he went for a centre back rather than a midfielder, unless Southgate was joking about Trent having the capability of playing in the centre as a reason to include him? 

Either he's worried about Maguire or Mings.

He's probably worried about both of them tbf.

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18 minutes ago, darren1983 said:

"huge mistake" come on man, have some perspective. Not taking someone that would hardly get a kick is not a huge mistake and will have little to no impact on how well England do :D 

England fans will moan over bloody anything Southgate does :D 

England fans seem to moan all the time..when every time they disagree with something Southgate does it gets called moaning :D

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36 minutes ago, The_jagster said:

I am a touch surprised that he went for a centre back rather than a midfielder, unless Southgate was joking about Trent having the capability of playing in the centre as a reason to include him? 

Either he's worried about Maguire or Mings.

Easier to drop someone back into midfield and have them do a serviceable job than it is to drop someone back into central defence and have the same outcome. Tends to be why I don't remember many nations, in 23-man squads, going short on central defenders. It used to be fullbacks, but now they've become quite important and all-action, it's usually another position.

If things get bad in midfield, he can move Foden back there. Even Grealish if he's desperate. And as it happens he's now got White who can do the job. If Maguire is struggling he's left with three central defenders and I don't see many midfielders he can move back to cover. Walker isn't a central defender in a 4-man defence.

 

Actually thinking about it, if things are bad in midfield he'll just play two and use a No.10. 

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Ben White must be buzzing. Gone from nowhere to potentially at least 1 start at a major tournament in space of a few weeks :D 

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Ben White was already great in the Championship tbf, deserves this chance. I'd have taken Tomori over Coady personally too.

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With the confirmation of Ben White over James Ward-Prowse or Jesse Lingard to replace the injured Trent Alexander-Arnold, Southgate defo sees this England side as a 3-4-3 squad.

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(note: Just grouped all the #10s at WL & traditional wingers at WR in no particular order of preference. Also added Rashford at ST rather than WR purely for visual & aesthetical balance. Put Dean Henderson as 'Deano' because the 'Hendo' nickname is already taken by another dude, and don't want to confuse idiots who'll somehow ask 'hurrdurr why is Jordan Henderson in goal')

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3 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said:

I think it will be Stones Mings

For Croatia I'd go:

Shaw, Stones, White, Walker

Phillips 

Mount Bellingham (id actually go Grealish but there's absolutely no chance of a Mount/Grealish pairing)

Foden Kane Sancho

 

I largely agree with this, but going left to right with a team selection should be a bannable offence 

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42 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Ben White must be buzzing. Gone from nowhere to potentially at least 1 start at a major tournament in space of a few weeks :D 

He might be starting the first game at this rate, he's better than Coady in a 4, and Mings looks unreliable. 

21 minutes ago, Haguey said:

Ben White was already great in the Championship tbf, deserves this chance. I'd have taken Tomori over Coady personally too.

He's been great for Brighton as well when I've watched. He looked levels above for us, which was wild considering he hadn't played above league 1 but he strolled in looking like he should be top half PL player. 

His ability to bring it out from the back could be really useful to this England team. I think him and Stones could be a good partnership. 

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Zero - Zero

Assists - Assists

From Open Play - From Open Play

Zero Assists From Open Play - hEs GoOd At SeT pIeCeS

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2 minutes ago, Haguey said:

Zero - Zero

Assists - Assists

From Open Play - From Open Play

Zero Assists From Open Play - hEs GoOd At SeT pIeCeS

Do set piece goals and assists not count as goals and assists? :rolleyes:

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Don't think England need someone who apparently stands around doing nothing until there's a dead ball.

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2 minutes ago, Haguey said:

Don't think England need someone who apparently stands around doing nothing until there's a dead ball.

especially as he'd be on the bench for whenever we had a set piece :D

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4 minutes ago, Haguey said:

Don't think England need someone who apparently stands around doing nothing until there's a dead ball.

That is nonsense, not rising to the bait anymore! :D Plus your claim about open play was also factually inaccurate. 

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