themadsheep2001 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 11 hours ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I don't think he'd have made the 23, but can see why he's been brought along now it's 26 for the reason above. Wouldn't have done it while looking light in the position he plays though... I You could have done it while stacking the midfield more (taking JWP for example) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 At this point on Sunday I'd be inclined to test a 4-3-3 with all 3 of Mount, Grealish, Foden playing, with Foden on the left; Walker playing as a tucked in full back on the right to bolster Rice, Sterling or Sancho wide right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: You could have done it while stacking the midfield more (taking JWP for example) Yeah that's what I mean. Same with Maguire really, I think you can only take an injured player who could make it back if you have enough cover in his position. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: At this point on Sunday I'd be inclined to test a 4-3-3 with all 3 of Mount, Grealish, Foden playing, with Foden on the left; Walker playing as a tucked in full back on the right to bolster Rice, Sterling or Sancho wide right I’ll be surprised if we see Grealish feature on Sunday (well for any long period). Still easing back from injury, and the amount of times he’s fouled I can see him being rested for first 75. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdunk Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said: I’ll be surprised if we see Grealish feature on Sunday (well for any long period). Still easing back from injury, and the amount of times he’s fouled I can see him being rested for first 75. We can probably get a good idea if the system itself is going to work without Grealish. Start something like Mount, Rice and Foden in midfield, Sterling, Kane, Sancho up front and see what happens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 51 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Yeah that's what I mean. Same with Maguire really, I think you can only take an injured player who could make it back if you have enough cover in his position. For sure. Very much get the importance of Henderson and Maguire, but we also need to be prepared for the worst. With 26 men, there's absolutely no reason why you can't adequately cover that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) So Henderson will become a starter the moment he is back from his injury then and won't be match fit at all. Sounds like typical England. Edited June 4, 2021 by aiston 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 2 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said: At this point on Sunday I'd be inclined to test a 4-3-3 with all 3 of Mount, Grealish, Foden playing, with Foden on the left; Walker playing as a tucked in full back on the right to bolster Rice, Sterling or Sancho wide right Alright, Pep 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, av3ry said: Alright, Pep Yes, that's the point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, av3ry said: Alright, Pep Can't be Pep, he's playing a defensive player in midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 3 hours ago, pearcey_90 said: I’ll be surprised if we see Grealish feature on Sunday (well for any long period). Still easing back from injury, and the amount of times he’s fouled I can see him being rested for first 75. Plus, last game before the tournament... we will want to play our strongest team 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuelawachie Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Big game tonight! ..well, as far as friendlies go Spain vs Portugal. I'm so excited to see this game.. Let's go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, samuelawachie said: Big game tonight! ..well, as far as friendlies go Spain vs Portugal. I'm so excited to see this game.. Let's go! Tasty warmup game Edited June 4, 2021 by Baptista_8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 43 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Plus, last game before the tournament... we will want to play our strongest team Swear the Chelsea/Man City players haven't joined up yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 They other lads must be in the squad by the time of the last warmup game surely? what’s the point otherwise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: They other lads must be in the squad by the time of the last warmup game surely? what’s the point otherwise? The City and Chelsea players arent available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Kind of feel like we missed a trick not calling up Tomori. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, pearcey_90 said: Swear the Chelsea/Man City players haven't joined up yet? The rest of the squad joined up either Tuesday or Wednesday I think. Edited June 4, 2021 by craigcwwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 6 hours ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Yeah that's what I mean. Same with Maguire really, I think you can only take an injured player who could make it back if you have enough cover in his position. Yep. If those two were definitely fit, the original four right backs might have been a more reasonable extravagance rather than leaving more important positions another injury away from having to reshape the team when not necessary. I'd have probably taken Trent, but his injury might be a blessing if we end up with a better balanced squad, especially if he wasn't going to start anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 One for you @Bootador 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Rob1981 said: They other lads must be in the squad by the time of the last warmup game surely? what’s the point otherwise? England just tweeted they arrived today. So probably had a light session today, and possibly one tomorrow. Not really enough to then go straight into a game IMO. Henderson: Trippier, Coady, Mings, Shaw: Rice, Bellingham, Phillips (or someone like JWP if he’s still with us): Rashford, Kane, Sancho That could be team if none of the UCL boys start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 If Grealish does start I do wonder if Southgate will have been influenced by Kane's opinion in any way. In Kane's golf course interview with Neville, when asked about Grealish he waxes lyrical about him, saying how much he loves playing with him and how they see the game the same way. A few other players (DCL, Saka, Trippier) have also said they're most impressed by Grealish, so it does make you think if it's like that in training with so many players praising him, how it would make it more difficult for Southgate to leave him out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Baptista_8 said: If Grealish does start I do wonder if Southgate will have been influenced by Kane's opinion in any way. In Kane's golf course interview with Neville, when asked about Grealish he waxes lyrical about him, saying how much he loves playing with him and how they see the game the same way. A few other players (DCL, Saka, Trippier) have also said they're most impressed by Grealish, so it does make you think if it's like that in training with so many players praising him, how it would make it more difficult for Southgate to leave him out. Shock at the squad being impressed by the most talented player in the squad.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Baptista_8 said: If Grealish does start I do wonder if Southgate will have been influenced by Kane's opinion in any way. In Kane's golf course interview with Neville, when asked about Grealish he waxes lyrical about him, saying how much he loves playing with him and how they see the game the same way. A few other players (DCL, Saka, Trippier) have also said they're most impressed by Grealish, so it does make you think if it's like that in training with so many players praising him, how it would make it more difficult for Southgate to leave him out. Christ. What are other players supposed to say if they are asked a direct question about him? “Nah, don’t fancy him mate. Should be playing Sancho instead!” This is desperate stuff. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I mean, he's going to play the team he thinks he should play, not the team that's "most popular' in the squad, based opinions from leading questions from the press. That's clearly evident by the teams he puts out. This stuff around Grealish is almost becoming cult like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Was just making a point of how Southgate might have had his hand forced a little as it's obvious he wasn't his biggest fan to begin with, that was all. And Rob those other three weren't asked direct questions about him, but great point 🙄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: I mean, he's going to play the team he thinks he should play, not the team that's "most popular' in the squad, based opinions from leading questions from the press. That's clearly evident by the teams he puts out. This stuff around Grealish is almost becoming cult like. I’m not sure he will. Not that it’s a bad thing but from the outside looking in, I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of rotation. Edited June 5, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I’m not sure he will. Not that it’s a bad thing but from the outside looking in, I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of rotation. There's always the caveat of rotation. But he's going to use the squad in the manner he thinks, not because it's popular Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Half the time we play a 3-4-3 that I'm not sure there are any supporters of, yet he persists, I don't think we should start reading into Southgate being forced into anything. If he picks Grealish it's because he wants to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I was talking about player influence, not fan influence. For all we know the players may enjoy playing the 343. I will be surprised if he starts our first game with a 343 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Has he not announced Trent's replacement yet? Deciding after tomorrow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: I was talking about player influence, not fan influence. For all we know the players may enjoy playing the 343. I will be surprised if he starts our first game with a 343 though. The point is that it's fairly obvious he's not being influenced by anyone so far; be it players fans or media. Rightly or wrongly he's doing his own thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: Has he not announced Trent's replacement yet? Deciding after tomorrow? From Liverpool twitter, he's deciding after the next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Makes sense, got a raft of new arrivals in and every chance we could lose another player next game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 45 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: The point is that it's fairly obvious he's not being influenced by anyone so far; be it players fans or media. Rightly or wrongly he's doing his own thing The correct way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 5 hours ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Shock at the squad being impressed by the most talented player in the squad.... *world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) Think Southgate has played the media well with Grealish. Keeping his feet on the ground. ”What a massive talent, eh Gareth?” ”Well he’s a great player that we’re keen to look at; but there’s a lot of other great players in contention!” etc. I mean if you’ve got this weird axe to grind you can take this as “evidence” that Southgate doesn’t rate him highly enough. Or you can look at it and see that he’s one of a few options and he will play some games and not others. Perhaps Southgate might just be managing expectations so the media don’t hype the lad up to the kind of heights that have been so damaging before. I mean, what the alternative? “Yeah, he’s amazing Gabriel. Just wait until I stick him in the eleven and he starts smashing everyone with his tricks. He can take us all the way! Can’t believe he’s still only at Villa!!” Then people are expecting him to win us games single-handedly. I think it was Capello that compared Jack Wilshere to “Baresi, Maldini and Raul” before he had even made his debut. Look how well that went. like @themadsheep2001 said, this cult around Grealish is bizarre. People piling in on Southgate when he has the temerity to point out that other players are good as well. Edited June 5, 2021 by Rob1981 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I don't even get why people (Villa fans) are so desperate to see him start. He'll at worst be a great option from the bench, which is fine? People place too much importance on who starts and where. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Almost becoming a distraction. Should be dropped and replaced with Ward-Prowse so the lads can focus on the football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, ajw10 said: I don't even get why people (Villa fans) are so desperate to see him start. He'll at worst be a great option from the bench, which is fine? People place too much importance on who starts and where. Villa fans plus me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I don’t mind him starting. But like someone else said, somehow we are at a point where you are accused of “underrating” him if you don’t automatically have him as a first pick ahead of Foden, Mount, Sancho, Rashford, Sterling and others. These are all guys who have more caps and who have played a boatload of European club games where Grealish hasn’t played any. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 It's good coz Foden is sneaking under the radar. Normally we'd be heaping praise on him and expectations would be sky high especially after the season he's just had. But nobody is talking about him. I'm not too fussed who starts really except Foden. If he doesn't start I'd be fuming. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 It does feel Foden has a Rooney tournament in him. Then there’s Kane at his peak, Grealish, Mount and Sancho all having top seasons. It’s difficult to not be optimistic as an England fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, ryan045 said: It does feel Foden has a Rooney tournament in him. Then there’s Kane at his peak, Grealish, Mount and Sancho all having top seasons. It’s difficult to not be optimistic as an England fan. Look at your centre mids and centre backs. Instant turn off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Not just that but with all the attacking talent we have, I can't remember many games where they've all clicked and we've looked scintillating. Let's hope it clicks over the next few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I like Bellingham and Henderson, bit thin beyond that. Centre backs, beyond Maguire and Stones feel like we've left the wrong CBs at home (Konsa, Tomori) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Does Maguire have any chance of being fit for the opener? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: Not just that but with all the attacking talent we have, I can't remember many games where they've all clicked and we've looked scintillating. Let's hope it clicks over the next few weeks. That's because we play a 3-4-3 when a 4-3-3 would get far more from them. And I don't understand the argument for it, because we're **** at sitting on a lead. Our win rate when taking the lead is like 50%. There's no point trying to sit on a lead, we can't do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Just now, Baptista_8 said: Does Maguire have any chance of being fit for the opener? No idea tbh. Guess we'll know more tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Spain away in the Nations League when Sterling had a blinder was the last exciting England performance I remember. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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