Anyone else experiencing weird manager contract negotiations? Feel like the actual manager part needs way more attention in the future !

[DoubleR]

So I know that you can’t do anything with the money you make in game.. but I do sort of want it to to be realistic (not going for the lowest salary etc.). I’m doing a journeyman so I want to also feel like I’m progressing that way. 

So here is the deal: when I joined I signed a contract at RB Salzburg for 134K a month (euros). It was a 2 year deal and now I’m in my last year. The club wants to extent the contract and offered me a deal for 188k for 5 years. However, I want to only stay one more year after this so I tweak the deal for a 2 year contract (making it 3 total) instead of a 5 year one. They suddenly drop their offer to 96k.

Why would me staying another year cause the club to offer less salary than I’m currently earning? I understand that they reward your loyalty with a higher salary but it should at least be the same I’m earning now. When I then negotiate it back to my currently salary they instantly cancel the talks.

In real life they would easily go for the additional year but in game I now have two options: signing for more years which I don’t want or signing for one additional year against much lower salary which I don’t want for RP reasons. So now I will probably just leave the club after two years instead of 3 lol. But maybe they get more desperate towards the end of my current deal ;-) 

But for a football manager game.. the fact you can’t pay for your own coaching badges and things like this part of the game is pretty weak compared to so much of the other stuff. Also the fact that as a manager you can’t talk to your fans about leaving, can’t talk to the board about wanting to move to another club, talking about wanting to stay for one more year, working with contract extension clauses for your own contract. Like before I went to another club 4 days before the end of the contracts and the fans got angry at me for abandoning the club... why can’t I talk back to stuff like that?

[DoubleR]

On 27/04/2021 at 10:56, DoubleR said:

So I know that you can’t do anything with the money you make in game.. but I do sort of want it to to be realistic (not going for the lowest salary etc.). I’m doing a journeyman so I want to also feel like I’m progressing that way. 

So here is the deal: when I joined I signed a contract at RB Salzburg for 134K a month (euros). It was a 2 year deal and now I’m in my last year. The club wants to extent the contract and offered me a deal for 188k for 5 years. However, I want to only stay one more year after this so I tweak the deal for a 2 year contract (making it 3 total) instead of a 5 year one. They suddenly drop their offer to 96k.

Why would me staying another year cause the club to offer less salary than I’m currently earning? I understand that they reward your loyalty with a higher salary but it should at least be the same I’m earning now. When I then negotiate it back to my currently salary they instantly cancel the talks.

In real life they would easily go for the additional year but in game I now have two options: signing for more years which I don’t want or signing for one additional year against much lower salary which I don’t want for RP reasons. So now I will probably just leave the club after two years instead of 3 lol. But maybe they get more desperate towards the end of my current deal ;-) 

But for a football manager game.. the fact you can’t pay for your own coaching badges and things like this part of the game is pretty weak compared to so much of the other stuff. Also the fact that as a manager you can’t talk to your fans about leaving, can’t talk to the board about wanting to move to another club, talking about wanting to stay for one more year, working with contract extension clauses for your own contract. Like before I went to another club 4 days before the end of the contracts and the fans got angry at me for abandoning the club... why can’t I talk back to stuff like that?

I ended up leaving the club after 6 or 7 (or maybe even more) negotiations about a new contract ended in the same way: they either wanted me to stay on for 5 years or offer me close to 1/3rd of wat I was currently earning if i wanted to stay anywhere below those 5 years... non negtioable. Even though I had 60 million in the bank, 4 million free salary budget and 50 million transfer budget... and I won them the champions league in my second season, they couldnt give me my currently salary of 134k and only wanted to give 60k. Obviously you can just go for the 60K because it doesn't matter anyway... but for my RP journeyman that really didnt feel right. 

Btw: I also tried having a lower compensation fee percentage in my contract and then siging for 5 years. But when I did that they would also lower the offer to around 60K and I would only get a 40 or 50% lower compensation. 

So now Im moving on to Sporting CP at portugal lol 

Even though I absolutely love FM21 and I am having so much fun with my first every journeyman save... this is something (manager-club contract negotiations) that should really be fixed/improved. Clubs are so strict with what they offer and how you can negotiate that. While with players everything is possible... 

Edited April 28, 2021 by DoubleR

[podunkboy]

I had this happen at FC Koln, was chugging along, winning all things for them, contract negotiation pops up. I was earning $24K/week, they come at me with a 5-year deal at $56K/week. They wouldn't let me negotiate anything (like a yearly salary raise, bonus for winning league or cups) so I adjusted it to a 4-year deal...and they immediately dropped the salary offer from $56K/week to $42K/week. I tried to bump it to $48K/week and 4 years and they cancelled negotiations with me. The entire season, they never approached me again, and with a year left in the contract I applied for the Stoke City job, waited until it was almost finalized, and then resigned my position so Koln didn't get any compensation. The whole negotiating process seemed broken. 

[DoubleR]

55 minutes ago, podunkboy said:

I had this happen at FC Koln, was chugging along, winning all things for them, contract negotiation pops up. I was earning $24K/week, they come at me with a 5-year deal at $56K/week. They wouldn't let me negotiate anything (like a yearly salary raise, bonus for winning league or cups) so I adjusted it to a 4-year deal...and they immediately dropped the salary offer from $56K/week to $42K/week. I tried to bump it to $48K/week and 4 years and they cancelled negotiations with me. The entire season, they never approached me again, and with a year left in the contract I applied for the Stoke City job, waited until it was almost finalized, and then resigned my position so Koln didn't get any compensation. The whole negotiating process seemed broken. 

Very recognizable !! 

[Kuchiki]

I recommend submitting these issues to the FM21 feedback thread or wish list thread. I feel the manager contract negotiations are in need of work, it feels poorly designed but it's been like this for a while now so I guess you can either grin and bear it and accept the limitations of the game or choose to do something about it.

In my case if I feel certain aspects of the game feel broken I'd consider using a save game editor, unfortunately that's something you have to pay for. But at least in this way you can setup imaginary negotiations yourself where you can make certain demands and perhaps role a dice and if for example you get higher than 2 (66% chance) then the board agrees to your terms. Or you can change the random chance to something you find more realistic so it doesn't break your immersion of the game.