Rate my 433 tactic

[Hank Schrader]

This is my 433 tactic, don't care about team or players. Is it good? Any changes? and why?
P/s: sorry if my english isn't good

[silentwars]

I'd consider having the keeper as a sweeper as you're playing with a higher defensive line.

[Hank Schrader]

4 minutes ago, silentwars said:

I'd consider having the keeper as a sweeper as you're playing with a higher defensive line.

Thanks. Anything else? 

[silentwars]

The roles look good, I'd use the offside trap as Keane is a fairly slow centre back

[Experienced Defender]

1 hour ago, Hank Schrader said:

This is my 433 tactic, don't care about team or players. Is it good? Any changes? and why?

The tactic itself looks okay. Overall balance is good and I cannot see any obvious flaws. Which does not automatically mean it will be successful. But definitely is a good starting point.

[zabyl]

I don't know which style you want your team to play but it seems a good starting point. So the only thing I can add is Richarlison's role. I think he is more like an IFs for me.

[Keyzer Soze]

i would just change the forward role to a DLF(a).

Reason is, your style of play is a little bit less direct, and more a built from the back style of play, so a forward more creative and that participates more in the built up could be beneficial.

But of course, it goes all down with the type of players you have in your team.

[silentwars]

54 minutes ago, Keyzer Soze said:

i would just change the forward role to a DLF(a).

Reason is, your style of play is a little bit less direct, and more a built from the back style of play, so a forward more creative and that participates more in the built up could be beneficial.

But of course, it goes all down with the type of players you have in your team.

I think DCL might be better as a pressing forward, his passing and vision are pretty low so the mandatory 'take more risks' might not suit him. The pressing forward also works well pressing high up the pitch, which is part of his tactic. 

[Hank Schrader]

I have tried this tactic on Tottenham with little bit change(PF Att-> DLF Att) and this is result after 22 games



As you can see, i have good home result but away games is terrible(most is big team). What is reasons? My team isn't enough strong or somethings?
 

[DarJ]

5 minutes ago, Hank Schrader said:

What is reasons?

what kind of goals do they score?

[Hank Schrader]

27 minutes ago, DarJ said:

what kind of goals do they score?

Cross and through ball

[DarJ]

To reduce the amount of through balls, my recommendation is to use opposition instruction to tight mark lone strikers especially if they play as AF, P and PF on attack (it won't always work but can be useful). For crosses tell your fullbacks to close down more. those 2 things have been useful for me but it's not something I use all the time.

Then there are other things like dropping your lines a bit and play more of a mid block

 

[Experienced Defender]

If I remember their attributes correctly, Ndombele should be more defensively reliable than Lo Celso, which means your player selection in central midfield could be problematic in terms of who plays which role. In other words, it would make more sense IMHO to play Ndombele as the DLP and Lo Celso as the attacking CM. The same was the case in your Everton save, where you played Gomes in the more defensive CM role than Davies. Therefore, wrong player selection can also be a source of problems, not just a tactic itself.

[Hank Schrader]

56 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

If I remember their attributes correctly, Ndombele should be more defensively reliable than Lo Celso, which means your player selection in central midfield could be problematic in terms of who plays which role. In other words, it would make more sense IMHO to play Ndombele as the DLP and Lo Celso as the attacking CM. The same was the case in your Everton save, where you played Gomes in the more defensive CM role than Davies. Therefore, wrong player selection can also be a source of problems, not just a tactic itself.

Yes, Ndombele is more fit DLP Role than Lo Celso and i have just realized that i only have 8 coachs for training. Is this a problem?

Edited April 22, 2021 by Hank Schrader

[crusadertsar]

37 minutes ago, Hank Schrader said:

Yes, Ndombele is more fit DLP Role than Lo Celso and i have just realized that i only have 8 coachs for training. Is this a problem?

Yes it's a problem. Your players won't improve their attributes as fast (the younger ones who still can). Ideally you want the training load to be "light" in every category. That means having three or more coaches per category.

Edited April 22, 2021 by crusadertsar

[Hank Schrader]

1 hour ago, crusadertsar said:

Yes it's a problem. Your players won't improve their attributes as fast (the younger ones who still can). Ideally you want the training load to be "light" in every category. That means having three or more coaches per category.

Is it affect to match performance? because my team always overwhelmed by big teams like this:

Edited April 22, 2021 by Hank Schrader

[crusadertsar]

14 minutes ago, Hank Schrader said:

Is it affect to match performance? because my team always overwhelmed by big teams like this:

Maybe you need more defensive training sessions? But yeah the short answer is that the number and quality of coaches will affect everything that is training-related.

[Hank Schrader]

This is my season 2, same problem, difficult to win away game

Home

Away

[Tsuru]

I have been using a very similar 4-3-3 with good results on Wrexham (National League). However I am using a standard LOE on the same Positive mentality as the team operates better on a more compact shape. You could try that too.

And/or...maybe you could develop a second tactic (as this one is working well) more focused on counter attacks. Believe me, you will only need a very few tweaks on roles/duties from one system to another, and change some TIs and PIs, maybe lower the mentality to Balanced (but not necessarily).

And then you could use the counter version on away games and when you are comfortable winning, or when you score a goal and opponents are desperate for a tie. Or maybe on hard matches or matches against bigger teams. I think having some options is not a bad idea and you are underperforming on away games, so why not try a different approach?

[Hank Schrader]

 

On 4/26/2021 at 4:28 PM, Tsuru said:

I have been using a very similar 4-3-3 with good results on Wrexham (National League). However I am using a standard LOE on the same Positive mentality as the team operates better on a more compact shape. You could try that too

I'm afraid standard LOE will leave space in front. But anyway thanks for helping me

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Hank Schrader

[crusadertsar]

52 minutes ago, Hank Schrader said:

 

I'm afraid standard LOE will leave space in front. But anyway thanks for helping me

 

But you will need space upfront to create any sort of chances