JamieTC13 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Why is it when ever i use the fire up shout the players seem to get angry faces all the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Because you’re using it at the wrong time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMunderachiever Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Just dont bother shouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I’ve actually had good success with shouts. Drawing = encourage. Goal behind = berate. Etc. Of course, it depends on your personality and the personality of your squad, but I’ve found those two, in particular, to be quite useful. Team full of green faces 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnip Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 You 'fired up' your players and now some of them are angry. That's... the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, turnip said: You 'fired up' your players and now some of them are angry. That's... the point. 1 hour ago, turnip said: You 'fired up' your players and now some of them are angry. That's... the point. But why should they get angry when i'm losing say for instance and i want to fire them up, they are going to get angry when i thought if you was losing and shouted fire up it would spur them on and want to do better By the looks of what SI say about fire up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Tyburn said: Because you’re using it at the wrong time? Yea but i only mainly use it if i lose i would of thought that would make them work harder or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider23 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 The shouts system is one of the many in this game that is both counter intuitive and punishing if you make the wrong choice. Common sense is of no use, the only way to figure out the system is through trial and error. I try to experiment a little with shouts in friendlies, but I usually forget. "encourage" is basically safe unless you team is leading, but when it doubt just don't say anything. The half time team talk is a lot more reliable. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I love when we are underdogs, we are up 2-0 and I praise them. Instantly getting confused red responses all over. It is amazing how real that aspect of the game is. Wink, wink. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider23 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Sharkn20 said: I love when we are underdogs, we are up 2-0 and I praise them. Instantly getting confused red responses all over. It is amazing how real that aspect of the game is. Wink, wink. I've been through this. Once, when I was new to this game I noticed that my young, inexperienced winger had just set up a goal. Thinking that it would be a good idea to provide some positive reinforcement and build his confidence I decided to praise him. Of course, he immediately became complacent and played like **** afterwards. The funny thing is how inconsistent it is. If they are playing well praising them at half time or post game works wonders, but if you try it during the game the players react like you just insulted their mothers.. Oddly enough, I have had the most success using the praise shout on players who are playing badly and starting to lose confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzR Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 What I have noticed ( maybe I am wrong and need more testing ) is that some shouts are not good to use for the "entire team": " fire up", "focus", "calm down". They seem to have some effect when used on one or two specific players , when it's needed: "fired up" doesn't look like it has a positive effect on defender for example. Again, maybe I am wrong. " Praise " , " Encourage" , "Demand more" are safe bets for the "entire team" with 9,10 positive results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, BuzzR said: What I have noticed ( maybe I am wrong and need more testing ) is that some shouts are not good to use for the "entire team": " fire up", "focus", "calm down". They seem to have some effect when used on one or two specific players , when it's needed: "fired up" doesn't look like it has a positive effect on defender for example. Again, maybe I am wrong. " Praise " , " Encourage" , "Demand more" are safe bets for the "entire team" with 9,10 positive results. That's exactly what iv changed i now only give shouts to individual players or unless i'm losing like by 3 goals and all the team is not playing good Edited March 14, 2021 by jckc221013jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Shouts needs a complete revamp. There should be a mixture of shouts - some that can help with ‘morale’ (albeit slightly) but also shouts that change the position of players and adjust this automatically and accordingly in the tactics - as long as it’s clear what they do. I should be able to shout ‘get forward more’ and this should change the teams approach and system. That’s what happens in real life and shouts haven’t been implemented right yet. It seems they are all ‘morale’ related this year and it’s not right. Edited March 14, 2021 by DP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DP said: Shouts needs a complete revamp. There should be a mixture of shouts - some that can help with ‘morale’ (albeit slightly) but also shouts that change the position of players and adjust this automatically and accordingly in the tactics - as long as it’s clear what they do. I should be able to shout ‘get forward more’ and this should change the teams approach and system. That’s what happens in real life and shouts haven’t been implemented right yet. It seems they are all ‘morale’ related this year and it’s not right. You should use team and player instructions to make tactic based changes such as forward more Edited March 14, 2021 by francis#17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, francis#17 said: You should use team and player instructions to make tactic based changes such as forward more Well yeah, you can but this is meant to be quick shouts from the touch line. It’s supposed to replicate a manager literally shouting onto the pitch. One of the things a manager does from the pitch is dictate player positions and telling them where they should be. This should be part of shouts as a quick way to change shape, either getting back or getting forward. I do also agree there should be morale based shouts but it should be a little of both and be really clear in terms of potential effects on the team. Good and bad, depending on the situation. Edited March 14, 2021 by DP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARRERA Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 yeah shouts have been a mystery for me since playing. Would be nice if some who figured it out could share his observations. also I would highly suggest to revamp that feature to make it more intuitive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Touchline shouts depend on the context of the match and and a lot of the time the overall body language of the players should be taken into account as well. OP, you're Colchester as far as I can see. In the example in the first post - is there really a need to fire up a team when they're ahead of all things? On that alone, it seems they're doing well. Can't see body language, but it's highly unlikely to be anything negative this early in a match and leading as well. By your own admission: Quote when i thought if you was losing and shouted fire up it would spur them on and want to do better If they're ahead, this doesn't apply at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, HUNT3R said: Touchline shouts depend on the context of the match and and a lot of the time the overall body language of the players should be taken into account as well. OP, you're Colchester as far as I can see. In the example in the first post - is there really a need to fire up a team when they're ahead of all things? On that alone, it seems they're doing well. Can't see body language, but it's highly unlikely to be anything negative this early in a match and leading as well. By your own admission: If they're ahead, this doesn't apply at all. I'm not on about when we are winning i'm on about losing, the shout fire up just makes everyone angry and i'm sure it shouldn't specially when loosing Edited March 15, 2021 by jckc221013jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, jckc221013jamie said: I'm not on about when we are winning i'm on about losing, the shout fire up just makes everyone angry and i'm sure it shouldn't specially when loosing It's not just about winning or losing though. It would make sense to fire up a team, if you're the better team, playing poorly and trailing in a match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: It's not just about winning or losing though. It would make sense to fire up a team, if you're the better team, playing poorly and trailing in a match. Yeah but i only use it if i'm mainly loosing or playing badly but they just always get angry so when would be the best time to use it if they get angry when loosing or playing badly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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