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On 13/09/2021 at 23:10, _Ben_ said:

(Early) September 2037

I turned on my laptop and fancied a little analytical work this evening, despite being rather tired from actually having to hold down a real life job and not play FM all day.

So I did...

Now - we're rather good but not unbeatable, yet three goals conceded in just two games marks a change from our normal defensive solidarity. I wanted to know why. Below are the players who have played for me in the two games:

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A reasonably settled backline with Osemene, Perez and Ionesi being here for a good while and Addai-Mandela coming through the ranks, joining the first team in January. Obviously, Joksimovic is a new player and is completely new to his position, which, I believe, reduces his Decision making somewhat. However, when I isolate their KPIs from the two matches, I get some interesting results:

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Because it's such a small data collection, I did this manually - using the match analysis to single out things like Defensive Area (and penalty area) as well as Progressive/Forward passes - this means that I can get a more accurate version of Total Defensive Actions than before because things like 'Gained Possession' don't appear to exist outside of the match analysis tool.

What this looks like is that we don't actually do a lot of defending. I knew that because of what I see in the highlights but this really enforces that. We don't really tackle (nor have I wanted that, and it's pleasing to see that Interceptions > Tackles in two of the players) and we are certainly pretty good at stopping shots coming in as we aren't making many blocks, potentially a sign of real last ditch defending. Slightly on a tangent, but I couldn't help it, is to look at the number of times we gain possession and then move forward with it in almost all players except Carlos Perez, who appears to be reluctant to move the ball forward when he wins it - certainly something to explore within his skill set. I'm concerned at the heading numbers from Addai-Mandela yet it appears that three quarters of those headers he does win are key - talk about saving them for an important occasion!

I wondered if we'd faced a particularly tall group of opposing players and this was maybe why we'd struggled with those numbers, but that wasn't really the case:

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Collard didn't feature for Thun as Ocompo and Cuellar (from that list) did, with Borie and Avdic in the Sion tie.

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So I guess I need to look at the goals:

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The left is against Thun and then first and second against Sion are next.

Now, the first Thun goal, the lowest of the xG, came from a flick on from Cuellar that Osemene misjudged.

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Whilst the volley was emphatic, I do wonder whether he could have been that little bit tighter. I want to see whether this was poor play by Friday or good play by Eduardo, so here are some comparative attributes, in the sense that I think one could match the other (certainly not gospel, just thinking out loud!):

  • Ocampo OtB 14 vs Osemene Positioning
  • Ocampo Strength 9 vs 13 Osemene Strength
  • Ocampo Anticipation 12 vs 13 Osemene Strength
  • Ocampo Agility 14 vs 15 Osemene Marking

Certainly in the favour of my centre back. However, given Ocampo another eight of those, this'd be the only one he'd net from this exact same position. I can't complain too much!

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The first Sion goal came from a through ball, at an xG of 0.23, meaning that one in every 4 from here, roughly, would go in.

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I feel like the defensive ability of Joksimovic (Marking 8, Positioning 10, Tackling 8) plus the reduced Decisions (is 14 - but that is, presumably, whilst in his favoured role) means that he's just allowed Bognar to move through and put the ball away. My concern does, however, come from the three players moving towards him! We are a little bit disorganised here and that is something I can't accept defensively. Not a mistake, per se, but something that will hopefully reduce over time as he becomes more settled. Certainly I feel that it is worth persisting with considering what he gives us going forward.

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This is 6'2" Borie beating a man of the same height (comparative attributes - Heading 14 vs 12 and Jumping Reach 15 vs 17) in Addai-Mandela to the ball. Now, my concern again here comes from the fact that EAM, the right sided centre back, with no man marking instructions, is there challenging for that in the right half space, where Perez occupies. What it did was leave a huge gap for Avdic (high Agility, Stamina and Determination, good Off the Ball and Anticipation) to sneak in. Again, I must ask questions of Ionesi's Positioning (15 and normally a strength combined with 15 Decisions) but it was a well taken goal.

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What are my thoughts then?

Well, it appears we are doing pretty well as individuals in most areas except maybe aerial challenges but we are just lacking a little organisation and drilling defensively. Nothing has changed tactically over the summer but there is obviously a refresh time in the tactical familiarity and maybe we just haven't found it quite yet.

I'm sure it'll be a great season and there'll be many more goals scored than conceded but it's nice to dig into trying to find out why!

 

Are you going to share your tactis?

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On 14/09/2021 at 22:10, Hootieleece said:

Just checking in.....I am continuing my Slovak Save (without posting) as a journeyman save and I have endded up in France 2030 as Estac Troyes, but scheduled a trip to Switzerland for Summer Camp and I played Luzern and Thun in Friendlies.

Definitely a lovely area of the world!

On 15/09/2021 at 14:17, Guimy said:

It's been far too long :D I did catch you on FM Now, but I admit to being far from a regular sight there. I do know a few of the old guard are still knocking around, even besides FM Now. Cheeky Deeky is still blogging, though irregularly. Forza has branched out into real football and Shrewnaldo is an irregular blogger. 

I enjoyed posting on FM Now but went through an age whereby I just couldn't log in to the site. It seems that they have a nice little core of posters but not a huge amount of activity - which is a shame as it's great quality stuff. I have spoken to @F0rzaHa few times and have read the books he's written and I occasionally see a tweet from @Shrewnaldo. There are a few people who I haven't heard of since then, such as IJ and there was the whole The Third Half forum who, I believe, set up on new forum.

21 hours ago, LeonardSnart said:

Are you going to share your tactis?

I have documented and shared my tactical journey pretty well over the course of the thread. Plus, we have our overarching principles but things change from situation to situation so it's hard to actually pinpoint and then upload a tactic. Here is my core shape and usual roles, although they too fluctuate widely:

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August 2037 - Breakthrough!

After literally having to reinstall Steam and FM every time I turned my computer on and a pretty hectic couple of weeks at work, I'm hoping to be back with a bang. Although this will be my last season of the save, I have just unlocked something that has made me very happy!

For the whole of this save, I've accepted a literal 5 minute wait for the game to load and for the in-match animations to be really slow and temperamental - because that it how I thought it was! However, I turned the graphics from Very High to Medium, and now things are smooth and fast!

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Here's a nice GIF goal to celebrate that, with, you guessed it, Stefan Milosevic putting the St. Gallen defence to the sword. I most like the way his body shape suggests he's going to go to wide of the keeper but instead he pulls it to the nearer post.

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1 hour ago, _Ben_ said:

August 2037 - Breakthrough!

After literally having to reinstall Steam and FM every time I turned my computer on and a pretty hectic couple of weeks at work, I'm hoping to be back with a bang. Although this will be my last season of the save, I have just unlocked something that has made me very happy!

For the whole of this save, I've accepted a literal 5 minute wait for the game to load and for the in-match animations to be really slow and temperamental - because that it how I thought it was! However, I turned the graphics from Very High to Medium, and now things are smooth and fast!

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Here's a nice GIF goal to celebrate that, with, you guessed it, Stefan Milosevic putting the St. Gallen defence to the sword. I most like the way his body shape suggests he's going to go to wide of the keeper but instead he pulls it to the nearer post.

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Good to hear your back!! It’s been some journey in Switzerland! You were probably write about my Ruch save the long term plan came to late into FM21 life although am still plugging away at it. 
 

what’s the plans for FM22 got anything in mind? 

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22 hours ago, SixPointer said:

Good to hear your back!! It’s been some journey in Switzerland! You were probably write about my Ruch save the long term plan came to late into FM21 life although am still plugging away at it. 
 

what’s the plans for FM22 got anything in mind? 

I've absolutely loved this journey. Wish I'd have taken in more than three sides but Luzern just felt right and I've certainly garnered an affinity for them. Are you planning FM22 straight away or will you see this out? As soon as there is talk of a new game, my focus shifts to that so I really couldn't carry on at Luzern knowing I could be playing a newer FM.

As for my games - yes, I do have an idea. I'm going to explore Russia! I'm hoping to hold off until the full game is out and get all the realism fixes as well as some of the lower tiers and just use it as a chance to broaden my geographical and historical knowledge! I want to manage three or four different clubs and continue my learning into the training and development of players as well as recruitment and tactical modules, plus anything new that they throw at us! Do you have any plans?

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August 2037

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I lost the Sion game but, even after three sets of replaying it, couldn't match up with the draw from previously so I stuck with a narrow win thanks to a set piece converted by Osemene. I want to highlight the importance of the goals by Friday as well as those by Ionesi and Adilovic as they are now our primary set piece threat, as we are without Long Throw specialist Zakharov. 

We started August with a bore draw against Luzern and a thrashing of Vaduz before we faced off against Champions League winners Juve. Of course it was Nikita Zakharov, the man who we'd just sold to Juve, who ran the show against us. The game was largely even but the class they had told in the end and we couldn't add another trophy to the cabinet. We ended the month with a solid cup win and two league wins, leaving the table in a strange place. The bottom four being last year's runners up and the three historical big sides is a huge shock, even at this early stage. Lausanne have recruited really well and I'd expect them to continue to push but newly promoted Thun are somewhat of a shock. However, when you look at their best XI:

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You will see that Labyad, Alich, Mpondo and Jelic are on loan from us, with the latter joint top scorer (with Stefan Milosevic) after netting six times already this season.

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Not a lot else to report on really as I am finding my feet again after a tumultuous couple of weeks! I'll dive deeper if I can get any kind of sustained playing time but I don't want this to go out on a whimper....

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2 hours ago, sherifdinn_ said:

Your youth intakes have been looking solid lately. How did you twist your fortunes? I remeber they used to be underwhelming

They are improving, yes. I think the combination of luck, an upgraded HoYD and facilities as well as a real focus on youth team training as well as fixtures at the highest standard (for them - the 2nd tier) has helped. Below are the top players, by ability, in my first and u21 squad (although all but one are out on loan!) that came through the academy:

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It's fair to say that these players, as well as the young players I am importing from other sides, has given us an academy that is the envy of most of Europe...

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On 05/09/2021 at 13:08, _Ben_ said:

My plan, however, remained the same. The overall Arsenal heat map shows that favouritism of the wider areas but I worked hard to push both wingers inside and onto their weaker feet, limiting their touches near the byline and, impressively, cutting off their crosses, of which they have depended on for much of their success.

care to share sme insights on how you achieved this? I haven't tried man marking a winger with my fullback since FM17 but is it effective in this edition?

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6 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

I've absolutely loved this journey. Wish I'd have taken in more than three sides but Luzern just felt right and I've certainly garnered an affinity for them. Are you planning FM22 straight away or will you see this out? As soon as there is talk of a new game, my focus shifts to that so I really couldn't carry on at Luzern knowing I could be playing a newer FM.

As for my games - yes, I do have an idea. I'm going to explore Russia! I'm hoping to hold off until the full game is out and get all the realism fixes as well as some of the lower tiers and just use it as a chance to broaden my geographical and historical knowledge! I want to manage three or four different clubs and continue my learning into the training and development of players as well as recruitment and tactical modules, plus anything new that they throw at us! Do you have any plans?

Much like yourself I don’t think I could keep playing an older version of the game when the new one is there. Plus it would just delay me getting to grips with any new features or match engine changes. However I have loved FM21 my Norwegian save with Odd was a success. I probably started Ruch to late but my work never helped it got really busy around the same time then I was home for abit and now with FM22 on the horizon I’ll probably finish the second season and leave it there. Delighted with what I’ve created and I think I’ll be back at ruch FM22 as my second save once the database is made. I’ve always had an eye on them so I’ll definitely be back. And there promoted in real life so wouldnt be much different from what I’ve done. 
 

I fancy a few ideas for fm 22 on top of that for first saves. 
Holland is calling me again just for the positional play I’ve been creating it suits Holland as it was created there. 
 

Denmark - Odense or velje would be cool first saves but after norway I’ll maybe see them fm23

greece - aris have been deducted points and have a great fanbase and a lethal city derby with PAOK so could be a nice ten seasoner there. 
 

russia for you sounds good, a place I’ve never managed. Always liked the idea of dynamo Moscow were great in the soviet league but have never flourished in the RPL. Or one of the Siberian teams perhaps Tom Tomsk. 
 

first you on the beta for me will always be Scotland i do it every year. Get my national team on the go for a few weeks gets the game moving for me. But this time we will have qualified for a major tournament so am no sure if the appeal is there so I may do team I support heart of Midlothian 

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September 2037

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A busy month filled with some promising performances and strong results.

We kicked off with a routine win in the cup against Etoile, of the third tier. As always, the rotational players (or, at least, those rotational players who weren't part of a squad wide injury crisis!) took the field and took their chances. We were really poor in the tie against Ajax and not helped by a red card early in the second half for Joksimovic, who, without Alphonso Davies on the bench, forced us into a back three, a shape I'm not quite comfortable with using, yet. The YB result was a real success story in how I'm learning to approach parts of each game. I had noticed that the manager had used a shout (didn't catch what it was through the commentary) and it had had a negative impact on the majority of their squad - causing them to be 'overwhelmed by the feedback' - which would be a really concerning thing for me if I was in charge, especially after just 10 minutes! I took this as a sign to attack, so we went high intensity: pressure, quicker progressive movement of the ball and more vertical and it worked with three quick goals completely killing the game off. For the next game, against Lausanne, on an eight game unbeaten run and in good morale, we picked on players: lower fitness, morale, picking up a booking, very one footed, and just tried to win each individual battle, which, again, we did. Six goals from 3.72xG was a great return, including a lovely hatrick from Pedroso was a great return for us against a team who are really starting to impress me with their recruitment. A slightly reckless performance against Basel followed, with just two goals from 2.71xG but it was all one way traffic and our nice clean sheet run was never going to be challenged. We finished the month at the Camp Nou and, to be fair, we got exactly what we deserved, nothing! The gulf in class is still huge despite all of our European progress and we would be, realistically, another five to ten years away from being able to challenge a side like this, even with an underdog mentality.

Whilst St. Gallen are floundering and neither Basel or YB have found any consistency, Thun continue to be huge overachievers, and, as I said in the previous update, a lot of that is down to my loanees. However, special praise must go to Stefan Jelic:

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At 3.5 stars rating, he's more than good enough to come back into my squad but would still be behind Friere and Milosevic. However, the 18-year old has scored 30 in 30 over a season in a bit for them with 11 in 8 this season. I feel as if he (or any of my other two forwards) would need to be a little more flexible in terms of then being able to play on the left wing (as Anderson Costa now does) in order to facilitate him back at the club. He's clearly a top striker, suited excellently for our style that would utilise the Pace and Off the Ball as well as the traits, but I just can't drop either of my two starting players to give him enough minutes:

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If I had more time left in this save (and FM21) I'd almost certainly look to maintain that level of realism as both of my strikers are wanted by the top clubs in Europe and, for a club at the level that we are, would more than likely look to move them on and replace from within. However, it may be that he doesn't actually get the chance to represent the first team of the club.

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I have also boosted my close backroom team with a familiar face:

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Whilst Tiago is not quite at the required quality to be a true asset in any particular area that I use the assistant for, he's got a great personality and, by being so new to his non-playing career, will certainly develop. It's also something that I like to do with players who have had a big impact during my time as a manager and he will join Renato Augusto, who, for those who can't remember, was one of my first signings at Meyrin, my first club, and really epitomised the style of playmaker that I wanted at that time.

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On 21/09/2021 at 23:15, sherifdinn_ said:

care to share sme insights on how you achieved this? I haven't tried man marking a winger with my fullback since FM17 but is it effective in this edition?

I have man marked full backs with my wingers to some success but not really any more than that. Firstly, that’s because one wing back is naturally way more offensive than the other, so those instructions will completely change how the role plays out, but also because I like to build a team who are positionally strong and then drill them really well with how we play. 
 

To achieve what I wanted with the Arsenal wingers, I instructed them to be shown onto their weaker foot (both were natural wingers) and used the extra men we had (they didn’t field an AMC for the entirety and one forward meant that either/both of our DM or CB were free) to close them down as much as possible.

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6 minutes ago, Sonic Youth said:

Nice signing with Dante :thup:

I do hope Stefan gets a run out in the first team. It will be a tough job to break in though. He’s looking very promising with his progress.

It’s the sentimental side, too. Because he’s a club icon, he often pops up in the press warning me about x player but now he’s working for me, too!

I really like Jelic but, as neither of my forwards can play on the left wing, I’m left with a real back log of players who just wouldn’t get a fair amount of minutes. There is a recall clause so I’ll see what January brings!

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2 minutes ago, _Ben_ said:

It’s the sentimental side, too. Because he’s a club icon, he often pops up in the press warning me about x player but now he’s working for me, too!

I really like Jelic but, as neither of my forwards can play on the left wing, I’m left with a real back log of players who just wouldn’t get a fair amount of minutes. There is a recall clause so I’ll see what January brings!

Dante has nice tactical and mental stats to go with the sentimental part too. Not to mention his personality is pretty amazing as well. At first I thought he was a new youth Assistant.

Having a glut of talent is hard work! A jigsaw puzzle. If the Jelic piece fits etc etc :D

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23 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

I had noticed that the manager had used a shout (didn't catch what it was through the commentary) and it had had a negative impact on the majority of their squad - causing them to be 'overwhelmed by the feedback' - which would be a really concerning thing for me if I was in charge, especially after just 10 minutes! I took this as a sign to attack, so we went high intensity: pressure, quicker progressive movement of the ball and more vertical and it worked with three quick goals completely killing the game off

This is very interesting, I feel silly now thinking I've never reacted to opposition morale drop. 

 

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6 hours ago, BuzzR said:

This is very interesting, I feel silly now thinking I've never reacted to opposition morale drop. 

 

Just a hunch I had. May or may not have worked and been a complete coincidence but does make sense!

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October 2037

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Another month done as we look to really push on in the league and grow the gap between us and surprise chasers Zurich.

Thun, without half a team of Luzern loanees, aren't that strong and we comfortably took them apart with a much rotated squad. Joksimovic scored from the penalty spot - his first league goal in a very good start that has seen him rapidly learn the left back role as well as a trait to run down the left. Stefan Milosevic was to thank in the next two ties: a bore draw with Sion and a comeback against a surprisingly strong St. Ettiene side to give us an important three points in our quest for progression in the Champions League. A home win against Ajax in the next round of fixtures will be key to ensure we progress behind Barca. We dominated the next two games but only won the one - drawing with Zurich in the league thanks to a late Anderson Costa strike, coming off the bench.

All in all, it's positive and we continue to move forward.

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We had a record breaking international call up, too:

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Amazingly, it has taken a matter of months for Valentin Vallejos, uncapped by Argentina even at youth level, to have his head turned and earn a role in the Swiss side. Below are all of the players at the club who are currently in the full national team of their country:

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A really strong mix of Swiss (33rd in the world rankings) players along with relatively strong nations in Czech Rep (19th), Nigeria (=11th), USA (=11th), Serbia (29th) and Romania (38th). It is also showing that we are producing and importing young talent and giving them a space to demonstrate their skills on the biggest stage of them all, which is something that I have always wanted to push on with.

 

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November 2037

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Still loving this game just as much but having absolutely no time to play or post about it right now.

We have absolutely smashed November and have progressed through our CL group, too, but, given the timings and how infrequently my playing has been, I can't really add much more meat to these bones! I'm desperate for this save not to fizzle out, and, with December and January containing very few fixtures, I still hope to be able to conclude the season in style.

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5 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

November 2037

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Still loving this game just as much but having absolutely no time to play or post about it right now.

We have absolutely smashed November and have progressed through our CL group, too, but, given the timings and how infrequently my playing has been, I can't really add much more meat to these bones! I'm desperate for this save not to fizzle out, and, with December and January containing very few fixtures, I still hope to be able to conclude the season in style.

I know the feeling. And now I feel it’s too late to really get going again with Ruch. Work is mental at the minute. 
 

some month. Great result against The might Ajax. Miles in front in the league 👏🏻

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December 2037 and January 2038

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A double month as there wasn't a lot going on!

Two December league ties whereby we pushed on, earning six points and, probably more interestingly, watched ex-champions St. Gallen see Christmas in bottom of the league. We also held Barca to a 0-0 draw, allowing them just 0.26xG - a clear demonstration of the team that we have become. Sadly, we have drawn Real Madrid in the first knockout phase and that is probably where my European dream will end.

January saw us jet off to Tunisia for a bit of warm weather before Milosevic netted a hatrick after a goa-less December, moving to 47 league goals in 44 league games for us, which is utterly insane.

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Stefan Milosevic caps off a wonderful year with a hatful of awards but it's the top three here that make me proud. Pedroso, an academy product joins imported Milosevic and Filip Radanovic, who was actually on trial before he moved to Bayern, with me not being too sure on his potential at that time. It's a real credit to my own youth development but also the recruitment model that we've built here.

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A quiet early transfer period as Alan Schwarz leaves the club, heading for Dortmund in a deal that will net us just over €10m. He came on a free last year and this is certainly a realistic move for him, particularly as he's behind at least four other forwards.

It all got busier on deadline day, though...

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Lukasz had his head turned by Barca, and, in the spirit of the save, I allowed him to move on. We received a fee of €39m for a player who I'd spent €9.5m on and was able to replace him with Igli Mema, from the u21 squad.

Nobody has joined the club, meaning that I bring my time here to a close after spending just over €113m on transfers, a number far eclipsed by the amount that has been brought in, this season alone.

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As I wind down the save, I wanted to take a look at those players who I have managed, noticing just how much quality I have both developed:

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And produced:

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In total, fourteen players have left my academy and are now playing at the top level of Swiss football, added to the eight that are representing us; certainly not a bad total in just over ten years at the club. An All-Time XI would certainly include the likes of Zakharov, a mere €5m signing from Rosenberg, as well as Cifuentes (free from Real Madrid) and Wang Tao (free from Guangzhou and later went on to move for €119m), Stefan Lolic (a player who netted me a near €50m profit) as well as the likes of Georges Henry (an academy graduate when I was managing second tier Fribourg and a two-season loanee at Luzern), Anderson Costa, Toni Gonzalez and Stefan Milosevic.

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8 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

So this is your last season, and up to the point of what happens in Europe?

I will be resigning at the end of the season, yes, which marks ten years at the club and ends a really successful career:

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I will holiday on for a few years, unemployed, to see how Luzern do and track some of the players. If this was earlier in the game-cycle, I'd have moved to a German side and continued the Joao-ball that I've started here, but FM22 is too close and I've really struggled for game time of late.

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February 2038

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From the outside, this looks like a super successful month. It was not.

We have been utterly terrible in every single game here, despite picking up maximum points in the league and moving to 24 points ahead with just 39 available and closing in on another unbeaten season. We have looked absolutely placid in-front of goal, failing to score more than once in all but two ties - a shocker when you consider that this is the best offence that the Swiss people will ever see! The big thing though is the win against Real. I'm an optimist but I know that, going to the Bernabeu, will be very tough for us. A goal, direct from a well worked corner, was our only real threat on goal as we sat deeper than normal and looked to cut off every bit of threat that the Spanish giants have. Whilst the league is a formality and I'm sure I could field any half decent forward, I also have been rocked by the loss of Milosevic for 5 weeks, after getting injured in this tie. Clearly Friere is a good replacement and took his chance against Servette, but we will be missing our mercurial Serb as we head to Spain at a time when we need him the most!

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35 minutes ago, SixPointer said:

You must be very happy to see the data hub! Very excited myself for it but considering you’ve basically manually been applying it to your saves am sure your delighted about its inception 

Absolutely! I am excited to see the 'Possession gained' stuff that appeared on their screenshots and really hope that we can start to utilise the data that is being collected in game - such as length and distance of passes. I'm likely to continue with a progressive style of football and would love to be able to compare my player's progressive passes with that of the league instead of having to count them all up individually! I'll still run some kind of data capture, probably, because I am always trying to push how much I can extrapolate, but it's certainly looking promising!

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5 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

Absolutely! I am excited to see the 'Possession gained' stuff that appeared on their screenshots and really hope that we can start to utilise the data that is being collected in game - such as length and distance of passes. I'm likely to continue with a progressive style of football and would love to be able to compare my player's progressive passes with that of the league instead of having to count them all up individually! I'll still run some kind of data capture, probably, because I am always trying to push how much I can extrapolate, but it's certainly looking promising!

Am equally excited! Im Hoping it will give us clear indications of how good the pressing is working etc. On my Atalanta write up I used a lot of graphs to show their real life examples but could never make one to show how my replication compared. The fact we shouldn’t have to go to great lengths to extract and make the data a weapon anymore like we used to. It will also give us a greater game-plan as we can see how clear the opponent plays without watching their individual games. It’s the most excited I’ve been for a release in a long time. 

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27 minutes ago, SixPointer said:

Am equally excited! Im Hoping it will give us clear indications of how good the pressing is working etc. On my Atalanta write up I used a lot of graphs to show their real life examples but could never make one to show how my replication compared. The fact we shouldn’t have to go to great lengths to extract and make the data a weapon anymore like we used to. It will also give us a greater game-plan as we can see how clear the opponent plays without watching their individual games. It’s the most excited I’ve been for a release in a long time. 

Exactly - I have always found that they bring in a feature 2/3 before it is really ‘ready’ so this makes sense. Being able to use the stats is a part of being a manager so I’m hopeful for it. I’m also hopeful they sort the pre-match tactical meetings, too, linking them to stats and the like. 

Data has never been a ‘headline feature’ in any FM release, to my knowledge, so it’s great for me - especially as I’m just discovering the depth I can go into on the pitch!

I just want tactics to fully marry up to training now - with evidence that I’m working on x area on the training ground being seen on the pitch - and it’ll be perfect for me! I don’t care for newer leagues (I’ll just download), better graphics (you don’t play FM for the graphics!) or variable PA (most of my players are newgens anyway) so this is almost a complete release for me. 

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19 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

Absolutely! I am excited to see the 'Possession gained' stuff that appeared on their screenshots and really hope that we can start to utilise the data that is being collected in game - such as length and distance of passes. I'm likely to continue with a progressive style of football and would love to be able to compare my player's progressive passes with that of the league instead of having to count them all up individually! I'll still run some kind of data capture, probably, because I am always trying to push how much I can extrapolate, but it's certainly looking promising!

 

13 hours ago, SixPointer said:

Am equally excited! Im Hoping it will give us clear indications of how good the pressing is working etc. On my Atalanta write up I used a lot of graphs to show their real life examples but could never make one to show how my replication compared. The fact we shouldn’t have to go to great lengths to extract and make the data a weapon anymore like we used to. It will also give us a greater game-plan as we can see how clear the opponent plays without watching their individual games. It’s the most excited I’ve been for a release in a long time. 

 

13 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

Exactly - I have always found that they bring in a feature 2/3 before it is really ‘ready’ so this makes sense. Being able to use the stats is a part of being a manager so I’m hopeful for it. I’m also hopeful they sort the pre-match tactical meetings, too, linking them to stats and the like. 

Data has never been a ‘headline feature’ in any FM release, to my knowledge, so it’s great for me - especially as I’m just discovering the depth I can go into on the pitch!

I just want tactics to fully marry up to training now - with evidence that I’m working on x area on the training ground being seen on the pitch - and it’ll be perfect for me! I don’t care for newer leagues (I’ll just download), better graphics (you don’t play FM for the graphics!) or variable PA (most of my players are newgens anyway) so this is almost a complete release for me. 

I was hoping they'd include xA. xA + KP = chances created. A bit much to expect that plus: xT, Passes Into Final 3rd, Line breaking passes, Progressive passes, packing numbers...

Is there going to be sprint stats?

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On 11/10/2021 at 08:40, Sonic Youth said:

 

 

I was hoping they'd include xA. xA + KP = chances created. A bit much to expect that plus: xT, Passes Into Final 3rd, Line breaking passes, Progressive passes, packing numbers...

Is there going to be sprint stats?

I think these are some way off, sadly. Looking at the screenshots and various things that have come out, to date, I feel that it's just going to be taking the charts below - that I managed to skin into the game - into the mainstream.

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I don't feel as if they've added any new statistics, just worked on the outputs of what they already collect in games.

As I said - for me, little things like progressive passes and pressure analysis (through interceptions, blocks, turnovers etc) would be what I'd use most to back up my tactical analysis.

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