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Hello everybody. I decided to start a new career with Borussia Dortmund after winter update. As you will see at the first screenshot, Moukoko has already agreed to sign professional contact on 20/11/2021. When we reach at this date, from the second screenshot we see that he signed this new contact actually only for 7 months. Finally, when i offer him new contact soon before the end of the december as i don't want other clubs to snatch him for free soon before his contact expires, he refuses to sign not because he is not happy at the club, but because auto-signed a new one recently. Eventually i lose my player as a result of contract offers from other clubs after 1/1/2022. Can you fix this bug please?

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Hi @Babafingo.

It looks like he's just become old enough to be switched onto the pro contract that we've set for him in the database. This is due to him turning 17 years old.

Could you confirm if after a couple of weeks or months you're able to offer him a contract at Dortmund?

Also, could you confirm where he left your club, to sign for? I can't see that in any of the screenshots. 

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1 hour ago, Ed Hewison said:

Hi @Babafingo.

It looks like he's just become old enough to be switched onto the pro contract that we've set for him in the database. This is due to him turning 17 years old.

Could you confirm if after a couple of weeks or months you're able to offer him a contract at Dortmund?

Also, could you confirm where he left your club, to sign for? I can't see that in any of the screenshots. 

I had no chance to offer him a contract a couple of weeks later because he had agreed contact offer from Valencia on January 5 

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2 hours ago, Babafingo said:

I had no chance to offer him a contract a couple of weeks later because he had agreed contact offer from Valencia on January 5 

Hi @Babafingo.

We have this one under review now. Many thanks for everything that you've provided.

As you've said, because the game needs to move Moukoko to his professional contract from the data (and it is so close to the point where he will have 6 months left of his contract), some clubs are able to negotiate with him. Dortmund are in a situation that they should not have got into, where the contract being signed is being counted as a recent negotiation, and it should have been counted as a pre-agreed switch of one deal to the other. 

This is a bug that will need a very unique solution, and it is a very niche one that barely any other players in our games will get into, so we're investigating all routes for a fix.

Thanks for reporting it and being patient whilst we look into that fix. 

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18 hours ago, Ed Hewison said:

Hi @Babafingo.

We have this one under review now. Many thanks for everything that you've provided.

As you've said, because the game needs to move Moukoko to his professional contract from the data (and it is so close to the point where he will have 6 months left of his contract), some clubs are able to negotiate with him. Dortmund are in a situation that they should not have got into, where the contract being signed is being counted as a recent negotiation, and it should have been counted as a pre-agreed switch of one deal to the other. 

This is a bug that will need a very unique solution, and it is a very niche one that barely any other players in our games will get into, so we're investigating all routes for a fix.

Thanks for reporting it and being patient whilst we look into that fix. 

I'm not sure how easy it will be to do but I'm sure you would need to change the rules that allow you to sign a professional contract from your 16th birthday now instead of your 17th in Germany. The rule was recently introduced because of yours truly Youssoufa Moukoko. 

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2 hours ago, Davidog said:

I'm not sure how easy it will be to do but I'm sure you would need to change the rules that allow you to sign a professional contract from your 16th birthday now instead of your 17th in Germany. The rule was recently introduced because of yours truly Youssoufa Moukoko. 

I think that is the route of this problem, for sure.

We've not had confirmation that it is possible for a 16 year old to sign a professional contract in Germany. 

Are you able to provide any sources for a rule change? Tagging in @Dan Ormsby just so he's aware of this one, too.

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1 hour ago, Ed Hewison said:

I think that is the route of this problem, for sure.

We've not had confirmation that it is possible for a 16 year old to sign a professional contract in Germany. 

Are you able to provide any sources for a rule change? Tagging in @Dan Ormsby just so he's aware of this one, too.

Apologies i was wrong, it was the rule change where you can play first team football at 16 now. Which has been implemented in the game. https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/new-minimum-age-for-players-of-the-future-youssoufa-moukoko-10723  image.thumb.png.575665e98c26686e643ac4ff6928603a.png

 

 

But i think the problem is his current youth contract expires in 2022 which the game has quite rightly implemented & I'm sure he has signed a pre professional contract I'm presuming. Which he will sign on his 17th birthday more likely than not. Here's the problem no one knows when that deal will expire! As of yet.  

 

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Is there an update as to whether this will be fixed for the final winter update? I’m sort of in a limbo state where I’m only 6 months into a Dortmund save so if it gets sorted for then I’ll probably stop this save and wait! 

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On 25/02/2021 at 13:32, Ed Hewison said:

Hi @Babafingo.

It looks like he's just become old enough to be switched onto the pro contract that we've set for him in the database. This is due to him turning 17 years old.

Could you confirm if after a couple of weeks or months you're able to offer him a contract at Dortmund?

Also, could you confirm where he left your club, to sign for? I can't see that in any of the screenshots. 

Isn’t the easiest solution for this to just remove the pro contract you’ve set for him and put him on a youth contract? That way the player can decide when you offer him a pro contract like with any other youth player? If you waited until his 17th birthday to offer him a pro contract you’d get him on a 2 year deal and this would remove that issue? 

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1 hour ago, elliotdanks said:

Isn’t the easiest solution for this to just remove the pro contract you’ve set for him and put him on a youth contract? That way the player can decide when you offer him a pro contract like with any other youth player? If you waited until his 17th birthday to offer him a pro contract you’d get him on a 2 year deal and this would remove that issue? 

There's a few hurdles in the way for us to be able to do exactly what you've suggested.
The biggest one being that we need to reflect the terms of his real-life current contract until June 2022. 

We can't make any changes to the contract data, but have the issue where you're unable to negotiate with Moukoko under review.

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1 hour ago, Ed Hewison said:

There's a few hurdles in the way for us to be able to do exactly what you've suggested.
The biggest one being that we need to reflect the terms of his real-life current contract until June 2022. 

We can't make any changes to the contract data, but have the issue where you're unable to negotiate with Moukoko under review.

Lovely, is this issue likely to be sorted for the  final winter update? Or do you have no idea yet currently?

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1 hour ago, Ed Hewison said:

There's a few hurdles in the way for us to be able to do exactly what you've suggested.
The biggest one being that we need to reflect the terms of his real-life current contract until June 2022. 

We can't make any changes to the contract data, but have the issue where you're unable to negotiate with Moukoko under review.

Also.... I know it’s newspaper article so take it with a pinch of salt. It says he signed a pro deal at 16? 
When they changed the age that you can play in the Bundesliga from 17 to 16, did they also change the rules so that you can sign a pro deal at 16? If that’s implemented in the game that would also change things as you’d be able to negotiate earlier due to him signing the deal earlier?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13229068/dortmund-youssoufa-moukoko-nike-contract-wages/amp/

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18 hours ago, elliotdanks said:

Also.... I know it’s newspaper article so take it with a pinch of salt. It says he signed a pro deal at 16? 
When they changed the age that you can play in the Bundesliga from 17 to 16, did they also change the rules so that you can sign a pro deal at 16? If that’s implemented in the game that would also change things as you’d be able to negotiate earlier due to him signing the deal earlier?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13229068/dortmund-youssoufa-moukoko-nike-contract-wages/amp/

Hi @elliotdanks

We've fixed this as best we can for the next update, but we aren't able to provide a code fix for current save games.

We won't be amending the age rule that someone can sign a pro contract, because 17 was confirmed to us by the Bundesliga, very recently.

Unfortunately, a code change around the contract negotiation prevention, right after he signs his pro contract (in November 2021), was causing too many knock-on affects to other players in the save game, and this situation with Youssoufa Moukoko is an extremely isolated case. Of course, we appreciate that if you have the player in your team it would be a very big deal to be given the opportunity to negotiate a contract beyond June 2022. However it was too risky to modify anything that could disrupt the entire contract renewal process we have.

What we did do is modify the player slightly. The contract details will remain the same and he will still sign his pro contract on 20th November 2021. However, when a club approaches to sign him, he will be far more reluctant to leave on a free and if a user approaches to sign him from January 2022, they will likely see this dialogue below, from the player's agent. 

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With these changes, we've gone through to the 22/23 Bundesliga season several times, and in every case the user or AI managing Dortmund has been able to have some negotiations with Moukoko, for a new deal. This will be available to the manager of Dortmund about 4 months after he moves onto his pro deal.

I've put in a request to fix this one better in the future, but this is the best we can do for now.

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6 hours ago, Ed Hewison said:

Hi @elliotdanks

We've fixed this as best we can for the next update, but we aren't able to provide a code fix for current save games.

We won't be amending the age rule that someone can sign a pro contract, because 17 was confirmed to us by the Bundesliga, very recently.

Unfortunately, a code change around the contract negotiation prevention, right after he signs his pro contract (in November 2021), was causing too many knock-on affects to other players in the save game, and this situation with Youssoufa Moukoko is an extremely isolated case. Of course, we appreciate that if you have the player in your team it would be a very big deal to be given the opportunity to negotiate a contract beyond June 2022. However it was too risky to modify anything that could disrupt the entire contract renewal process we have.

What we did do is modify the player slightly. The contract details will remain the same and he will still sign his pro contract on 20th November 2021. However, when a club approaches to sign him, he will be far more reluctant to leave on a free and if a user approaches to sign him from January 2022, they will likely see this dialogue below, from the player's agent. 

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With these changes, we've gone through to the 22/23 Bundesliga season several times, and in every case the user or AI managing Dortmund has been able to have some negotiations with Moukoko, for a new deal. This will be available to the manager of Dortmund about 4 months after he moves onto his pro deal.

I've put in a request to fix this one better in the future, but this is the best we can do for now.

Brilliant thank you, a lot of people will be relieved by this. I very much appreciate the feedback and effort to put this right. 
 

Now just make it so that we can register him before January, make him left footed and the right height and we’re golden! Haha! 

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I have the exact same problem. I made such a nice wonderkids team that i was building around Moukoko and now Lazio offered him a contract and there was nothing i could do. It ruined my whole process sadly. I kept a save point before the transfer window but as i can read here there is nothing that can be done to salvage current saves. Its weird that there are no negotiations possible at all :(

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I have the exact same problem, so there is now way that the next update will be able to fix this? 
Its basically loosing the best wonderkid in the game for free when he is perfectly happy and scoring 12 goals in 10 starters as an 17 year old... Kinda ruined the save. 

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Yeah i had like a lot of nice transfers that play in support of moukoko in my system. Then suddenly now i lose him and my whole save that i did a lof work for is gone. And now there is no view on when this other update will be.. So im not playing anymore at the moment because it is useless.

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1 hour ago, Belgian_waffle44 said:

Thought it would be fixed with this update?

Unfortunately no, it doesn't look among patch notes, besides i started a new career in morning after update and Bayern Munich got him for free in January 2022 when he was not prepared to enter into contract discussion with me.

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Hey all, 

As Ed said above some changes were made for new save games in 21.4 that should see Moukoko less inclined to join clubs in January '22 on a pre-contract agreement. Due to game-wide repercussions, changes couldn't be made at this late stage to ensure that Moukoko always stays at Dortmund, so I'm afraid there will still be some instances in new saves of him agreeing to join other clubs. Factors such as if Moukoko has a good relationship with the user and is playing regularly, alongside uncontrollable elements like which clubs come in for him and what his personality is like in your save, will all have an influence on whether or not Moukoko's likely to stay or not.

Hope that provides a little more information, and happy to respond to any further questions.

Cheers,

Julius

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