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I've been reading the forums for a long time but never contributed so firstly thanks retrospectively for all the great help you've given over the years!

Anyway, I have a question just to save my own sanity more than anything. Last year I had some success with a semi man marking Bielsa style system (Usually ST as a pressing forward and then the Ws man marking FB often with one CM man marking the DM but I would change it match by match depending on if it made sense) but this year I was hoping to emulate Bielsa's way properly. The attacking part isn't so much of a problem but the defensive system causes issues. Here is a link to a page that explains his general system to save me explaining it badly, though I'm sure most of you are familiar with it. https://totalfootballanalysis.com/team-analysis/leeds-united-20-21-assessing-their-defensive-tactics-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics

I've tried to recreate it but I knew it was going to be a long shot. If you look at what he does he leaves Bamford free and has him press and leaves Cooper free and has his as the free man who can press and pick up people who break past their marker. Everyone else has a man they stay on for the whole game unless someone breaks off their runner and then when the ball goes past them they leave their man and press. I'm current thinking having experimented a little is that it's impossible to truly recreate this on FM as there's just too much going on for a simulator to really recreate. I wondered if anyone else thought it would be possible though? All I'm finding is that the players are too literal with their marking and I can't find think of any way to add nuance using the in-game instructions. Look at one of the pics on the site I linked to and see Costa is standing off whereas on the game he would be tight. Also, the players are constantly running off their markers (I know this happens in real life too) and no one leaves their markers. After a set piece all the players immediately run off to take find their marker leaving their ST with a 1 on 1 from the half-way line haha! I had to set Cooper to stay back for corners to avoid this but I think this was the final straw for me. I was already struggling due to the fact that a you can't tell a player to leave their marker once the ball has passed them if necessary etc but the set piece stuff was for me the final nail in the coffin.

Anyway, to reiterate, I know this is a special system, many think it's stupid IRL anyway, and I know that it's always going to be to emulate any tactic in a game let alone this one. This isn't a whinge or me saying the game is bad, far from it!  I just thought before I gave up I'd ask if anyone thinks there is a way to emulate it after all?

Thanks in advance!

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To be honest to replicate Bielsa perfectly you’d need to assign individual man marking specifically for each and every game which is very tedious. The most I’ve ever done is do split block pressing and position marking on the wide players.

The idea is to copy the pressing of the leading group while keeping the central midfield relatively loose, but for each game you play you need to assign tight marking or you can use opposition instructions instead for the central players. OIs could be a reasonable compromise.

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Set pieces are a different matter altogether. At the moment the set pieces and how they play out are to tied in to the main tactical creator settings. When SI get around to improving the set piece creator, which they will at some point, I am sure we might get better options. At the moment addressing the set pieces themselves could have some big knock-on effects to other aspects of the match engine.

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Hi and thanks a million to both of you, that’s really helpful. @Rashidi yeah I get what you’re saying completely. I’ve always ended up going that way myself. I’ll stick to that for this year and maybe in the future SI will find a way to make it less tedious in some ways and less crazy in others.  Thanks again for the help!

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On 29/01/2021 at 02:18, Experienced Defender said:

@Rashidi did a Bielsa replication, so you can check out his Youtube channel and find out more :thup:

Yep for last year's versionIs still possible to do in this year, i guess

 

I'm not a big fan of this game's handling of manmarking. Players tend to mark when it doesn't make sense to sometimes and you can easilly break your defensive system...

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You can do specific man to man marking the way Bielsa does it. You can come close with position marking on the fullbacks and do a split block press as I alluded to in my video. Unfortunately direct links to videos are not permitted on the forums.

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On 01/02/2021 at 08:29, Rashidi said:

You can do specific man to man marking the way Bielsa does it. You can come close with position marking on the fullbacks and do a split block press as I alluded to in my video. Unfortunately direct links to videos are not permitted on the forums.

I didn't know about the rule. Forgive me. (Just hunt it down on YT folks)

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