Child Competition/Regional Rules

[Shenmue-X]

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of three parameters at the following address:

Advanced Rules > Division n > Child Competition/Regional Rules > General

At the bottom of the page, there are three boxes to check:

A) "Use Regional Division For Child Comp Allocation"

B) "Don't reorganise teams into Child Comps every season"

C) "Keep Teams in Same Regions?"

I did some tests but I didn't see any difference in the way FM handles the promotion-relegation with regional sub-divisions.

If a team is promoted or relegated in the wrong regional sub-division, FM doesn't reorganize the teams the next season despite the B box checked.

I've seen that some modders even don't check these boxes for their own regional sub-divisions.

 

[Bigpole]

1 hour ago, Shenmue-X said:

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of three parameters at the following address:

Advanced Rules > Division n > Child Competition/Regional Rules > General

At the bottom of the page, there are three boxes to check:

A) "Use Regional Division For Child Comp Allocation"

B) "Don't reorganise teams into Child Comps every season"

C) "Keep Teams in Same Regions?"

I did some tests but I didn't see any difference in the way FM handles the promotion-relegation with regional sub-divisions.

If a team is promoted or relegated in the wrong regional sub-division, FM doesn't reorganize the teams the next season despite the B box checked.

I've seen that some modders even don't check these boxes for their own regional sub-divisions.

 

last year I've found them irrelevant. All I did is to stretch league size to 12-22 teams (min/max) and set correct regional divisions under each team. 

[apass93]

On 08/01/2021 at 17:57, Shenmue-X said:

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of three parameters at the following address:

Advanced Rules > Division n > Child Competition/Regional Rules > General

At the bottom of the page, there are three boxes to check:

A) "Use Regional Division For Child Comp Allocation"

B) "Don't reorganise teams into Child Comps every season"

C) "Keep Teams in Same Regions?"

I did some tests but I didn't see any difference in the way FM handles the promotion-relegation with regional sub-divisions.

If a team is promoted or relegated in the wrong regional sub-division, FM doesn't reorganize the teams the next season despite the B box checked.

I've seen that some modders even don't check these boxes for their own regional sub-divisions.

 

My understanding is that the game looks at the regional divisons set at club level first and this will be the priority over any league boundaries or nation rules. The boundaries and rules come into play when the club doesnt have a regional division set for that competition level.

[krlenjushka]

10 hours ago, aaronpassfield said:

My understanding is that the game looks at the regional divisons set at club level first and this will be the priority over any league boundaries or nation rules. The boundaries and rules come into play when the club doesnt have a regional division set for that competition level.

For that you need to set "use regional divisions to organize teams".

Its located under every parent competition settings.

If you wanna use regional divisions but soft version -its version where regional divisions are used but in case where some league is over numbered - game will simply move 1 team to another region in order to fix that problem. This is case when this option is not activated.

If you wanna use hard version of regional division rules - you need to activate that option and thick confirmation box.

In this case game will force all clubs to their divisions.  You need to have min/max number of teams set because leagues must be with variable number of teams / second option is to use my dynamic relegation system.

If you wanna use city boundaries you should activate this option but untick confirmation box.

This all depends of real life rules in your country.

 

On 08/01/2021 at 18:57, Shenmue-X said:

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of three parameters at the following address:

Advanced Rules > Division n > Child Competition/Regional Rules > General

At the bottom of the page, there are three boxes to check:

A) "Use Regional Division For Child Comp Allocation"

B) "Don't reorganise teams into Child Comps every season"

C) "Keep Teams in Same Regions?"

I did some tests but I didn't see any difference in the way FM handles the promotion-relegation with regional sub-divisions.

If a team is promoted or relegated in the wrong regional sub-division, FM doesn't reorganize the teams the next season despite the B box checked.

I've seen that some modders even don't check these boxes for their own regional sub-divisions.

 

 

On 08/01/2021 at 20:18, Bigpole said:

last year I've found them irrelevant. All I did is to stretch league size to 12-22 teams (min/max) and set correct regional divisions under each team. 

I dont know why those options are added. Never tested this.

[artveal]

En 13/1/2021 a las 10:22, krlenjushka dijo:

For that you need to set "use regional divisions to organize teams".

Its located under every parent competition settings.

If you wanna use regional divisions but soft version -its version where regional divisions are used but in case where some league is over numbered - game will simply move 1 team to another region in order to fix that problem. This is case when this option is not activated.

If you wanna use hard version of regional division rules - you need to activate that option and thick confirmation box.

In this case game will force all clubs to their divisions.  You need to have min/max number of teams set because leagues must be with variable number of teams / second option is to use my dynamic relegation system.

If you wanna use city boundaries you should activate this option but untick confirmation box.

This all depends of real life rules in your country.

 

 

I dont know why those options are added. Never tested this.

I'm trying out to fully understand the regional rules before I get into the Spanish Regional Football Leagues in FM 21. So I created a test with a fictional irish league system to test all these rules. In my test, I imagined there are 3 regions. This is what I want to recreate:

All tiers start with 10 teams per group.

• 3rd tier is divided into two geographical groups. I already managed to set preferences of region → group, but it's OK if regions are mixed between groups since there are 3 regions and 2 groups. There is no problem here.
• 4th tier is divided in regional groups, made out of 10 teams (no more, no less). One group per region. As you recommended (thank you) I created a Dynamic Relegation System, so I'm relegating as many teams as neccesary to have 10 teams per group. To allocate teams in the correct region, I added Regional Divisions for all teams for tiers 4 and 5. This tier works properly as well.
• 5th tier is the bottom tier. It is the only tier there I let groups be formed by 4 to 16 teams, since I want these leagues to "gather" the remaining teams. As you mention, these groups may have different number of teams, but when testing rules I find all groups have 10 teams and some teams are moved to the wrong regional division (even

I configured promotions and relegations to parent divisions, so the parent division allocates teams by regional preferences. I know I could solve this particular issue by setting 4A to relegate to 5A and so on, but I prefer to keep 4A, B and C to relegate to 5, and let the parent competition decide using Regional Divisions, so I can subdivide a 5th tier into two sub-regions.

I've already checked:

• In Ireland rules, I've already set in "Required Teams" 4 to 16 teams for 5th tier divisions.
• In league stage (unique stage) in 5th tier child competitions, I've already set 4-16 min/max teams.
• In 5th tier parent competition I checked "Use Regional Divisions to organize teams", as well as trying to check and uncheck the options in Child Competitions/Regional Rules tab. None of the combinations seem to work for me.

Any suggests? Thank you! 

 

EDIT: I've already found the problem. In 5th tier child divisions I forgot to change the Min/Max teams required in Requirements Tab (I've never changed manually this tab), so the game was forcing some teams to fill gaps. Thank you anyway!

Edited October 7, 2021 by artveal
I found the solution