Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I am trying to add a league that has about 160 leagues within it. I have been gradually adding them in batches of 10 leagues and testing to see if it verifies and have had no issues, apart from not adding enough 'match days' in some leagues, with those errors being very quickly fixable. I have had an issue with crash dumps and errors stating 'not enough teams', when there are. I decided to remove some leagues from the parent competition and noticed that all my issues, crash dumps and bugs about teams being missing disappeared as soon as I had 128 or less leagues as children to the parent competition. I can verify with 128 leagues as children and load the editor file up in FM21 and run it without issue. The moment I add a 129th league in the editor, immediate crash dump, or errors about not having enough teams in a league. Remove a league and all is back to normal and working. Has anybody got any idea if this is an issue that is known or if anybody has a fix for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: I am trying to add a league that has about 160 leagues within it. I have been gradually adding them in batches of 10 leagues and testing to see if it verifies and have had no issues, apart from not adding enough 'match days' in some leagues, with those errors being very quickly fixable. I have had an issue with crash dumps and errors stating 'not enough teams', when there are. I decided to remove some leagues from the parent competition and noticed that all my issues, crash dumps and bugs about teams being missing disappeared as soon as I had 128 or less leagues as children to the parent competition. I can verify with 128 leagues as children and load the editor file up in FM21 and run it without issue. The moment I add a 129th league in the editor, immediate crash dump, or errors about not having enough teams in a league. Remove a league and all is back to normal and working. Has anybody got any idea if this is an issue that is known or if anybody has a fix for it? As i said to your friend - i think this was case in previous versions also. Not sure about that TBH but i think someone wrote about this in previous years. Only possible solution is to split your system somewhere in K7 leagues. 2 or more parent competitions instead of 1. Lets say K7 Leagues North, K7 Leagues South... Or something similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: As i said to your friend - i think this was case in previous versions also. Not sure about that TBH but i think someone wrote about this in previous years. Only possible solution is to split your system somewhere in K7 leagues. 2 or more parent competitions instead of 1. Lets say K7 Leagues North, K7 Leagues South... Or something similar. That kinda sucks. Did SI never try to fix it? Is there a way to keep the K7 North Parent and K7 South Parent under the K7 parent? I need to make sure people select the entirety of the K7 when setting up a nation, or not selecting it at all. I don't want people being able to only load the K7 North and not load the K7 south. I know it's not possible to have a parent competition under another parent competition, but was wondering if you knew a way around it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: That kinda sucks. Did SI never try to fix it? Is there a way to keep the K7 North Parent and K7 South Parent under the K7 parent? I need to make sure people select the entirety of the K7 when setting up a nation, or not selecting it at all. I don't want people being able to only load the K7 North and not load the K7 south. I know it's not possible to have a parent competition under another parent competition, but was wondering if you knew a way around it? You dont understand - you will keep all child comps under that K7 parent comp because this is set in database under every child comp. Only thing you will change are parent comps under level 7. You will add multiple K7 parent comps (i dont know how many because i dont know your regions) and set child comps that belongs. Back in 2015 i had 10-11 parent comps under level 6. I used regional divisions to sort teams to proper division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: That kinda sucks. Did SI never try to fix it? Is there a way to keep the K7 North Parent and K7 South Parent under the K7 parent? I need to make sure people select the entirety of the K7 when setting up a nation, or not selecting it at all. I don't want people being able to only load the K7 North and not load the K7 south. I know it's not possible to have a parent competition under another parent competition, but was wondering if you knew a way around it? You select levels to load in the game, so level 1 till 5 and not specific competitions per level. If you have various parent/child combination, that means you select all parent/child combinations of a certain level. In some ways the use of separate parent divisions makes things more organized and logical as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: You dont understand - you will keep all child comps under that K7 parent comp because this is set in database under every child comp. Only thing you will change are parent comps under level 7. You will add multiple K7 parent comps (i dont know how many because i dont know your regions) and set child comps that belongs. Back in 2015 i had 10-11 parent comps under level 6. I used regional divisions to sort teams to proper division. Okay, I think I mostly understand. I setup the parent comps and children within the database tab, and not the advanced rules tab? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, Wolf_pd said: You select levels to load in the game, so level 1 till 5 and not specific competitions per level. If you have various parent/child combination, that means you select all parent/child combinations of a certain level. In some ways the use of separate parent divisions makes things more organized and logical as well. Yeah, I think I'm confusing myself with the different levels and where I set them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Mediocre_Jake said: Okay, I think I mostly understand. I setup the parent comps and children within the database tab, and not the advanced rules tab? Not sure i understand this - never mind. Dont change anything in database. All child comps have K7 set as their parent competition. Now just decide how you wanna make that split. When you decide, create new parent comps for level 7 and add it to your rules instead of that single parent competition you have now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: Not sure i understand this - never mind. Dont change anything in database. All child comps have K7 set as their parent competition. Now just decide how you wanna make that split. When you decide, create new parent comps for level 7 and add it to your rules instead of that single parent competition you have now. Ah okay, I think I understand. I'm gonna go shout at the editor a bit more and see if I can get this to work. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, Mediocre_Jake said: Ah okay, I think I understand. I'm gonna go shout at the editor a bit more and see if I can get this to work. Thanks! How many leagues you have at level 6? What is your regional split there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, krlenjushka said: How many leagues you have at level 6? What is your regional split there? Level 6? There are no splits at that level. I have 31 leagues under the 6th level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yeah but those 31 league have some regional split? Teams from some groups promote to specific level 5 leagues right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, krlenjushka said: Yeah but those 31 league have some regional split? Teams from some groups promote to specific level 5 leagues right? Yes, but I sorted that by adding the winners of each division to it's own cup stage within the K6 parent league. Then the promotions are done via those 11 stages in the K6 parent. Then the 5th level relegates down to the appropriate level via their own relegation system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Mediocre_Jake said: Then the 5th level relegates down to the appropriate level via their own relegation system. And there is your split. For example here in Serbia first split is at level 3. I have 4 regional divisions. So at level 4 i created 4 parent comps - one for every level 3 league. I added level 4 child comp to their parent comp and thats it. Most difficult thing for anyone here is to understand this - when you create lower league - plan is everything. First you need to understand your real life system 101%. Do you have dynamic relegation in your regional leagues? Thats the case here in Serbia. Second option is to move some team to next region if needed. Some countries have this system in order to keep same number of teams in every lower league. Third option is to have variable number of teams in lower leagues. Some countries have dynamic relegation (1 team from every reagion is relegated no matter what position is) because they want to keep same number of promoted and relegated teams from all regions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: And there is your split. For example here in Serbia first split is at level 3. I have 4 regional divisions. So at level 4 i created 4 parent comps - one for every level 3 league. I added level 4 child comp to their parent comp and thats it. Most difficult thing for anyone here is to understand this - when you create lower league - plan is everything. First you need to understand your real life system 101%. Do you have dynamic relegation in your regional leagues? Thats the case here in Serbia. Second option is to move some team to next region if needed. Some countries have this system in order to keep same number of teams in every lower league. Third option is to have variable number of teams in lower leagues. Some countries have dynamic relegation (1 team from every reagion is relegated no matter what position is) because they want to keep same number of promoted and relegated teams from all regions. Fortunately, between the 6th and 7th tier, all teams stay within their region so I don't need any hassle of dynamic relegation yet. But as I am creating a real life system, there is no promotion/relegation between the 4th and 5th level. Once I add a fantasy promotion system there, then I need to play with dynamic relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 42 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: Not sure i understand this - never mind. Dont change anything in database. All child comps have K7 set as their parent competition. Now just decide how you wanna make that split. When you decide, create new parent comps for level 7 and add it to your rules instead of that single parent competition you have now. So I now have an issue I had before. I verify and it finishes all 7 levels, but it only say 6/7 verified leagues. Do I need to add the regional K7 parent competitions to the Nation and Competition tab within a country? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 No just K7 league here. You need to add all parent comps to Competitions tab. Dont add this K7 League to competitions tab. This division levels section is only needed for start of the game when you choose what level to load. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 It still won't verify it. It just says 6/7. Or 0/7 if I only verify the K7 I have attached images to show the competitions tab and the K7 Parent region leagues within the actual database too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 You shoudnt add child comps to competitions list. Only parent. Dont worry about verification. Its not reliable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: You shoudnt add child comps to competitions list. Only parent. All those Regional K7 leagues 'K7 Busan, K7 Chungnam, K7 Daegu' etc. are the regional parent competitions under the K7 umbrella Do you want me to send you the file to take a look? Edited January 1, 2021 by Mediocre_Jake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Mediocre_Jake said: All those Regional K7 leagues 'K7 Busan, K7 Chungnam, K7 Daegu' etc. are the regional parent competitions under the K7 umbrella Do you want me to send you the file to take a look? You managed to add all parent comps in 10 minutes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, krlenjushka said: You managed to add all parent comps in 10 minutes? I already had the parent competitions in the database, due to me testing this yesterday too. I had a couple of editor files with different setups to get this to work. So just loaded one where I had already tried the parent competition regional setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: I already had the parent competitions in the database, due to me testing this yesterday too. I had a couple of editor files with different setups to get this to work. So just loaded one where I had already tried the parent competition regional setup. Ok then. Upload your file and i will take a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: Ok then. Upload your file and i will take a look. Thanks for this. Ignore the mess around the other leagues. I'm just focusing on the K7 dumpster fire for now. Incremental Test Separate Chungbuk Busan.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 52 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: Thanks for this. Ignore the mess around the other leagues. I'm just focusing on the K7 dumpster fire for now. Incremental Test Separate Chungbuk Busan.fmf 391.83 kB · 1 download bro your file is in total mess. You should add division type and competition level first. You should really take care about your database first. I managed to load your file (imagine that with all errors) in game so when you fix your errors you should be fine. Also dont add parent competition (K7 League) setting to your regional parent competitions. K7 Busan and others. Just for child comps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: bro your file is in total mess. You should add division type and competition level first. You should really take care about your database first. I managed to load your file (imagine that with all errors) in game so when you fix your errors you should be fine. Also dont add parent competition (K7 League) setting to your regional parent competitions. K7 Busan and others. Just for child comps. Where am I adding the division type and competition level? Is this with the rules? Or the database? I don't even know what mess you mean, I have no idea what 'mess' you are referring to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: I don't even know what mess you mean, I have no idea what 'mess' you are referring to. Database mess 3 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: Where am I adding the division type and competition level? Is this with the rules? Or the database? In database of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: Database mess In database of course. Okay, I have fixed the division types and competition levels for the K7 leagues, all 163 of them. But what did you change in the advanced rules tab? The verify still says 6/7. It isn't verifying the K7. I know I am missing something very obvious, but I can't see what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: Okay, I have fixed the division types and competition levels for the K7 leagues, all 163 of them. But what did you change in the advanced rules tab? The verify still says 6/7. It isn't verifying the K7. I know I am missing something very obvious, but I can't see what it is. First of all - you need to add number of child divisions to Nation---> Division levels---> K7 league. And most important thing is - you dont need verification. I dont use it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: First of all - you need to add number of child divisions to Nation---> Division levels---> K7 league. And most important thing is - you dont need verification. I dont use it at all. So just to check, I need to add the chiild divisions here (image below)? And I need to add the several K7 regional leagues there (K7 Busan, K7 Gyeonggi, etc.) with their child competitions? If I verify and it says 6/7, will the file stilll be usable in FM? I didn't know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Mediocre_Jake said: So just to check, I need to add the chiild divisions here (image below)? And I need to add the several K7 regional leagues there (K7 Busan, K7 Gyeonggi, etc.) with their child competitions? If I verify and it says 6/7, will the file stilll be usable in FM? I didn't know that. No leave like this with K7 League because its parent comp for all child comps in database. Just add number here. 178 or whatever it is. You need to do this in xml manualy because limit here is 50 i think. Verification is often messy - especially with large league systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, krlenjushka said: No leave like this with K7 League because its parent comp for all child comps in database. Just add number here. 178 or whatever it is. You need to do this in xml manualy because limit here is 50 i think. Verification is often messy - especially with large league systems. Ahhhh. The XML. Do I export my file as an XML, edit it, then re-import it and save as a normal fmf file? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: Ahhhh. The XML. Do I export my file as an XML, edit it, then re-import it and save as a normal fmf file? No use xml its better option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: No use xml its better option. I exported as an XML file, edited the child competitions and then re-imported it. And Verified. It says 6/7. Load the file in game and the K7 won't show in the setup. I can't use the exported XML as Football Manager says it needs to be verified first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: I exported as an XML file, edited the child competitions and then re-imported it. And Verified. It says 6/7. Load the file in game and the K7 won't show in the setup. I can't use the exported XML as Football Manager says it needs to be verified first. You need to delete all "verf" lines from your file. Dont worry about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: You need to delete all "verf" lines from your file. Dont worry about that. What part am I deleting exactly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Complete line with verf in it. Also you should delete basic editor part from your file. Check this: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: Complete line with verf in it. Also you should delete basic editor part from your file. So I deleted the verf line, and also the basic editor part. It ran in FM! Thanks! Couple of questions though. Do I need to delete the verf lines everytime I make an edit to the file? Is there anyway to make it verify 7/7, or is it just a weird editor issue? And is there any way to make it a FMF file, or is an XML file just as easy when I post the file online? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 i guess editor add those line everytime you save file. I tried to make fmf but need verification. Use xml - its same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: i guess editor add those line every time you save file. I tried to make fmf but need verification. Use xml - its same. If I add extra stages for the playoffs and there aren't enough teams or enough match days etc, will the verify process still work well enough to give me those errors? I rely on those errors to remember what I missed in those situations haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, Mediocre_Jake said: If I add extra stages for the playoffs and there aren't enough teams or enough match days etc, will the verify process still work well enough to give me those errors? I rely on those errors to remember what I missed in those situations haha Probably but im not sure because i dont use test at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre_Jake Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, krlenjushka said: Probably but im not sure because i dont use test at all. Okay, thanks! I appreciate all the help. I will try and clean up my database a bit now too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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