Adham ali Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Spoiler I feel like I have been robbed!! I have just managed Moise Kean to 261 prem league goals which surpasses Alan Shearers record and the game hasn’t recognised it!!!! why oh why!!! Edited December 20, 2020 by Adham ali 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goranm Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) From what I can see, the game doesn't keep track of most career goals scored in a league at all, only most in a single season. Even if it had, the record would be Jimmy Greaves' 357 goals because the records from the old First Division are counted (same how the 42 goals by Kean beat Salah's 32 and Shearer's 34 PL goals but not Dixie Dean's 60 goals that are on the records page). Edited December 20, 2020 by goranm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adham ali Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 I would have thought that it would recognise the all time premiership top scorer though, but shearer isn’t even on the record page with his 260 goal record- disappointing! This is on FM20 so I hope they have changed this for FM21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post forameuss Posted December 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2020 Football existed before 1992, much as the likes of Sky would like you to forget. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cris182 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Adham ali said: I would have thought that it would recognise the all time premiership top scorer though, but shearer isn’t even on the record page with his 260 goal record- disappointing! This is on FM20 so I hope they have changed this for FM21 It has always been this way so unlikely to change, The game goes off all time as a top flight not just the Premier league era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 12 hours ago, goranm said: From what I can see, the game doesn't keep track of most career goals scored in a league at all, only most in a single season. Even if it had, the record would be Jimmy Greaves' 357 goals because the records from the old First Division are counted (same how the 42 goals by Kean beat Salah's 32 and Shearer's 34 PL goals but not Dixie Dean's 60 goals that are on the records page). Kinda wish they'd make a PL record and have an old farts record for pre-1992. No one seriously says 'ooh team won the Premier League back in 1928', and no one really pays attention to any team winning pre-1992 since that's a bygone era now. >_> Yes, I will fight all the granddads on this. :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rp1966 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 hours ago, forameuss said: Football existed before 1992, much as the likes of Sky would like you to forget. I think the real point of not comparing EPL with the old Division 1 is that the number of games is different, so many stats are not really comparable. Much as it's pointless to compare points tallies after 3 points for a win replaced 2 points for a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rp1966 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, isignedupfornorealreason said: Kinda wish they'd make a PL record and have an old farts record for pre-1992. That would make sense - due to the difference in number of teams (as mentioned elsewhere). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cris182 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rp1966 said: I think the real point of not comparing EPL with the old Division 1 is that the number of games is different, so many stats are not really comparable. Much as it's pointless to compare points tallies after 3 points for a win replaced 2 points for a win. The premier league number of games/teams has changed since it started also, Where do we stop with resetting every time they make a change? Do we have premier league records for before they reduced to 20 teams and then some after? What about players who played in both? It is easier to keep it to top flight Edited December 21, 2020 by cris182 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rp1966 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, cris182 said: The premier league number of games has changed since it started also, Where do we stop with resetting every time they make a change? Depends what stats you are comparing. Counting leagues wins is always valid. Individual stats that are affected by league structure changes are not directly comparable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, isignedupfornorealreason said: Kinda wish they'd make a PL record and have an old farts record for pre-1992. No one seriously says 'ooh team won the Premier League back in 1928', and no one really pays attention to any team winning pre-1992 since that's a bygone era now. >_> Yes, I will fight all the granddads on this. :P Thanks for that - we have now lost our 66 World Cup win 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, rp1966 said: I think the real point of not comparing EPL with the old Division 1 is that the number of games is different, so many stats are not really comparable. Much as it's pointless to compare points tallies after 3 points for a win replaced 2 points for a win. While that's true, I doubt Sky are doing it for anything other than branding. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Flag Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 40 minutes ago, MrPompey said: Thanks for that - we have now lost our 66 World Cup win And Portsmouth have lost their two league titles.Hey ho! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adham ali Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 hours ago, forameuss said: Football existed before 1992, much as the likes of Sky would like you to forget. Of course it did but the premiership didn’t and is it is now the premiership-records should be recognised properly. A blatant mistake by the game in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Adham ali said: Of course it did but the premiership didn’t and is it is now the premiership-records should be recognised properly. A blatant mistake by the game in my opinion But the point is that "Premiership"* records are a marketing invention. There's no real basis, just trying to separate the product from the actual league. Other leagues have gone through reconstruction and changes and managed to not act this way. You don't get people talking about SPL-era or SPFL specific records up here, but that's probably because they're not primarily marketing and sponsorship vehicles. FM is a cold, statistical engine. It's representing stats like they should be, not how companies with a stake wish they would be. * Which it isn't called anymore. It was the Premier League in 1992, then the Premiership from 93 to 2001, then the Premier League again. So even for a branding grab it doesn't really work. Edited December 21, 2020 by forameuss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adham ali Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, forameuss said: But the point is that "Premiership"* records are a marketing invention. There's no real basis, just trying to separate the product from the actual league. Other leagues have gone through reconstruction and changes and managed to not act this way. You don't get people talking about SPL-era or SPFL specific records up here, but that's probably because they're not primarily marketing and sponsorship vehicles. FM is a cold, statistical engine. It's representing stats like they should be, not how companies with a stake wish they would be. * Which it isn't called anymore. It was the Premier League in 1992, then the Premiership from 93 to 2001, then the Premier League again. So even for a branding grab it doesn't really work. Regardless of all this argument which I’m not really interested in! The fact of the matter is that if you look at the records it doesn’t have one for ‘all time league (whichever league format) scorer’ therefore it doesn’t recognise a record which it should!!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, White Flag said: And Portsmouth have lost their two league titles.Hey ho! good to see a first time winner last year too (in Liverpool), really brings a tear to your eye seeing another underdog story with ManCity, Leicester and Liverpool all winning for the first time in the last 10 years, it's really good to see the established order mixed up Edited December 21, 2020 by samdiatmh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 21/12/2020 at 13:01, MrPompey said: Thanks for that - we have now lost our 66 World Cup win In fairness, England does kinda need to move on from the 66 world cup win. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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