Do my roles make sense?

[Grattade07]

I've restarted by main Arsenal save for the full game and am currently using this as my main tactic. Do all of these roles make sense for an attacking (but not massively counter-attacking) style?

The results have been good so far but I'm very inexperienced with making my own tactic so I don't know if there are any glaring mistakes.

 

 

[Experienced Defender]

Your roles and duties don't look bad overall. I would probably set up just a couple of them slightly differently, but it does not mean that your setup is bad.

If results are good, then stick to it and enjoy 

[denen123]

2 hours ago, Grattade07 said:

I've restarted by main Arsenal save for the full game and am currently using this as my main tactic. Do all of these roles make sense for an attacking (but not massively counter-attacking) style?

The results have been good so far but I'm very inexperienced with making my own tactic so I don't know if there are any glaring mistakes.

 

 

Your tactic looks alright. Good luck in the league 👍 

[woolymuffler]

Out of curiosity, how has the inverted WB worked? It's not a role I've really tried out as based on the description it seems like it would get in the way of DMs, so just wondering how it behaves in your system.

[Rashidi]

Looks ok, but you need to be careful with the right flank, by forcing the play outside, you have asked your wingbacks to tuck inside. The IWB may have more territory to cover but if you are using bellerin you should be fine.

@woolymufflerThe game description gets it right. When you have wingers in advanced positions, the IWB will push ahead of the DM and sit in the halfspace to his right. This will allow his side to control the halfspace. However with this position in the transition phase, he naturally has more ground to cover which is why you need to choose someone who is a cross between a wingback and a dm. On other duties he could push forward, when there is space. He can also go around the wide players and overlap. That is something I have loved doing for a long time.  I used him very effectively when I created the Liquid System for FM19 and then in FM20 deployed him in a 4141 which looked really good and right now in FM21 he is still fun to play. 

The only time he won't drift to the DM position is when there is one playing in his halfspace. For example, you are using a Segundo Volante in the DMCR position and you elect to play an IWB in the FB(R) position. Then  you might see some strange behaviour

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Here I am playing with an IWB(A) with a SV(A) in the DMC(R) slot where he should go to. When we have the ball at goal kick this is the position they are supposed to take but the next position he enters is usually almost always wrong. He needs to move into the DMC(R) slot, but because he doesn't or sometimes does, we see other strange behaviour as well.

The IWB(A) has ended up in the penalty area when he should be further out or close to the empty encircled area.

Now the IWB(A) and the SV(A) have teleported into the same area. They are actually right on top of each other.

 

When I play him on defensive duty he takes up the wrong position when we have the ball. He is supposed to be in the DMCR position or close to the empty circle in the next picture.

Generally he is a very good role to master, but there are certain tactical design decisions we need to make when we want to play him. 

 

[woolymuffler]

Interesting, thanks Rashidi. I may need to try out IWB (sometime when I'm not playing a terrible L2 team with donkeys at FB). Segundo Volante is another role I really haven't tried out; it requires a pretty special player from what the description says and I don't usually have anyone that seems to fits the bill. I've also rarely played with two DMs so it hasn't been an option in those cases.

[Rashidi]

Attributes are relative to the league. I even use Trequartistas in VNN and Complete forwards.  Don't get confused with the descriptions. The SV is a nice glorified box to box player :-) Just find one with legs and you should be fine. Don't be afraid to experiment when you get the chance. I remember playing in VNN and all i could sign were 5 crappy DMs, I looked at 2 of them they had 9 decisions and 8 passing with 9 positioning, I turned them both into IWBs.

[woolymuffler]

Hmm, that could explain some of the issues I'm having. In L2 and lower, I tend to use fairly generic roles on the assumption that the player can't handle something with a foreign name like Mezzala or Segundo Volante (I figure your average LL English player thinks Mezzala is a pizza topping).

What I find is that I always end up playing a pretty boring possession style, probably because I'm not really telling my players what to do and they aren't good enough to just make things happen. Putting a perfectly average player on CM(S) just leads to a player that recycles possession, rarely shoots or even gets into a position to and really doesn't do much, unless they have Traits that overcome the lack of instructions.

[Grattade07]

3 hours ago, Rashidi said:

Looks ok, but you need to be careful with the right flank, by forcing the play outside, you have asked your wingbacks to tuck inside. The IWB may have more territory to cover but if you are using bellerin you should be fine.

@woolymufflerThe game description gets it right. When you have wingers in advanced positions, the IWB will push ahead of the DM and sit in the halfspace to his right. This will allow his side to control the halfspace. However with this position in the transition phase, he naturally has more ground to cover which is why you need to choose someone who is a cross between a wingback and a dm. On other duties he could push forward, when there is space. He can also go around the wide players and overlap. That is something I have loved doing for a long time.  I used him very effectively when I created the Liquid System for FM19 and then in FM20 deployed him in a 4141 which looked really good and right now in FM21 he is still fun to play. 

The only time he won't drift to the DM position is when there is one playing in his halfspace. For example, you are using a Segundo Volante in the DMCR position and you elect to play an IWB in the FB(R) position. Then  you might see some strange behaviour

.

Here I am playing with an IWB(A) with a SV(A) in the DMC(R) slot where he should go to. When we have the ball at goal kick this is the position they are supposed to take but the next position he enters is usually almost always wrong. He needs to move into the DMC(R) slot, but because he doesn't or sometimes does, we see other strange behaviour as well.

The IWB(A) has ended up in the penalty area when he should be further out or close to the empty encircled area.

Now the IWB(A) and the SV(A) have teleported into the same area. They are actually right on top of each other.

 

When I play him on defensive duty he takes up the wrong position when we have the ball. He is supposed to be in the DMCR position or close to the empty circle in the next picture.

Generally he is a very good role to master, but there are certain tactical design decisions we need to make when we want to play him. 

 

@Rashidi If I were to switch from an IWB what would you suggest? I'm mostly using it atm to cover for the aggressive mezalla.