Popular Post spiritdonkey Posted November 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2020 In game almost every blocked cross goes to corner. It's strange because in real life crosses are more often goes to box or blocked in other direction (and not straight to corner). And in a lot of games we have an unrealistic number of corners (21 from Millwall, 14 Oxford). Yes, may be my teams uses crosses too often. But, again, almost always blocked cross=corner. Poor variety. Oxford - Shrewsbury.pkm Blackburn - Millwall.pkm Blackburn - Norwich.pkm Bristol City - Blackburn.pkm 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 to add to this topic, my game against Oldham 9 first half corners from blocked crosses 07:19 cross = corner 07:55 cross = corner 10:44 cross , sliding tackle = corner 12:25 cross = corner 15:40 cross = corner 19:02 shot blocked = corner 23:21 cross in to defender's leg (tactical instructions, work ball in the box) 25:50 tackle = corner *31:38 dumb flick... but nothing to do with corner 32:27 cross = corner 45:40 tackle = corner I finished the game with 21 corners This existed since 2019 and yet you spend more time re-doing your UI Leeds v Oldham.pkm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritdonkey Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Any news? I'm watching Championship now and blocked crosses often goes back to field (and rarely to corners). Miss this variety in FM21 ME engine( So, my resume: - crosses are blocked may be more often than IRL - but (and this is more important) even if they blocked, it almost always goes to corner, not back to field or back to crossing player (or intercepted by defender and he stays with ball in his feets) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertiek Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 i see the cross blocking problem too, but i think it kinda connected to a lack of dribbles also, i tried to report this a few days ago but didnt had an answer from si games yet, check it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 12 hours ago, kertiek said: i see the cross blocking problem too, but i think it kinda connected to a lack of dribbles also, i tried to report this a few days ago but didnt had an answer from si games yet, check it They must be busy with other issues as well, but I don't think this issue should be handled lightly either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 any responses regarding this? at least take the pkms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertiek Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 any time we give "bad feedkback" in their feedback thread they complain thay we dont create bug reports, we take the time to report the damm bugs, they never answer. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hugh Juan-Kerr Posted December 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 Players are doing the "wait for the full back to close you down before attempting cross" thing. 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertiek Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 they call it, the covid dribble 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I will keep stacking these on until SI comes up with a solution Watford v Blackburn.pkm Newcastle v Man Utd.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Brimacombe-Wiard Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Hi All, We are aware of this in studio and it is under review. Thank you for your examples we will use these in our investigation. Cheers, Josh 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertiek Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Josh Brimacombe-Wiard said: Hi All, We are aware of this in studio and it is under review. Thank you for your examples we will use these in our investigation. Cheers, Josh i think this problem is related to the inexistence of dribbles, if u could please take a look at this, maybe am right, maybe am wrong .. am justr tryng to help to solve both of the problems that could be related Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arkon Posted December 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2020 Hi, Yes, 2 years ago it was pointed out that an inordinate amount crosses were being blocked (resulting in far too many corners.) This unbalances the game. We were told that it would be looked into - nothing happened! If real football situations were observed it would be noted that usually a player in a crossing position will lay the ball back to a supporting player when his path is blocked and is unable to cross the ball...this would help to alleviate the problem. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tarzanofmars Posted December 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 05:57, Josh Brimacombe-Wiard said: Hi All, We are aware of this in studio and it is under review. Thank you for your examples we will use these in our investigation. Cheers, Josh This has been an issue since somewhere around the Upper Paleolithic Epoch. It was acknowledged as an issue sometime in the early Industrial Era. Far too many crosses are blocked period, but yes too many go to corners. The core issue is the crossing player hits the ball right into the defender directly in front of him 99.99% of the time, as if 'Play for Set Pieces' is in effect at all times. Wide play and crossing remain the biggest immersion killer for the FM series. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duro Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Hello! The same problem here! Wide defenders and wingers constantly dribling to the final line + waiting for the oposition defenders to close and kicking against them to win a corner! Despite settings to early crosses and to cross often and from deep they make the same thing! It should be basic, for example, in a counter situation a winger seeing the forward in the area make a early cross to take advantage of the striker movement. The reason of having wingers and wide defenders crossing with a hight tempo game is to fast deliver the ball to the opposition area of the fast game! If they take their time waiting for the defenders to close down to prevent the cross or the center backs and defenders midfilders to have all the time of the world to positioning themselfs to block the movement of the striker, it´s not a realistic football game! Major issue! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Rodrigues Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 This FM gameplay is horrible... players just RUUUUUUN. They seems like Forst Gump (Run Forest, Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuun) --' All the time they run, they go to the final line and cross. THE CROSS IS ALLWAY BLOCKED and guess what?? CORNER... all the time!! More... 2x 1 Attacking sittuations ----> the player who have the ball can easly pass to his team mate and put him alone with the GK. But guess what?? The player with the ball tries to dribble and the opponent cut's. AND THERE'S ANOTHER F***ING CORNER. That's not funny, that's not football. Try to fix this please... i play FM since 2008 but i will not play anymore if this issues continues. Is not funny...really! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 agree. i'm having 20-30 corners per game. it's absolutely insane and not enjoying this game at all because of this. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nala Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) I am pleased to see the SI developers have this issue under consideration and welcome any solution as it has been a problem long before FM21 and certainly dates back to FM20. This was first raised as a FM20 issue in January 20 last year and earlier and we were all told there would be no more FM 20 updates and the focus was on FM21. I comment on this to say that it is not just an issue of crosses going out for corners but one of very few crosses getting past the defender. I would guess that there needs to be an increase of 33% of crosses or passes from the bye line getting through. My wingers and wing backs don't seem to understand the concept of cutting inside instead of the usual byline- cross-corner that is almost every time. As an experiment I used the editor to increase the crossing ability of these key players but it did not make a noticeable difference. 'Cross from deep' is a work around (and that's all it is) but even then, on the occasions when a player goes to the bye line (as they would do in normal football) the cross goes to the defender again. This is not just about crossing but also about crossing instructions. It does not seem to matter whether I have low crossed, whipped crosses or floated, the crosses still come in high. This is a great pity because the game play on FM21 is otherwise really good. In comparison to FM20 there are more one to ones on goalkeepers resulting in goals, more goal mouth scrambles and opposition instructions are followed much better. If you can get the crossing and crossing instructions in FM21 right you will satisfy a lot of your followers. Best wishes Edited December 14, 2020 by nala . 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 great patch SI, you touched on everything besides this issue.... Instead of saying it is under review why won't you just admit that you can't fix them... I had my hopes up but you smashed them again..... tackles from miles away roll out for a corner, less blocks but still more than enough to allow 20+ corners You call this the feedback thread but it seems your getting feed backs from elsewhere. Chelsea v Bournemouth.pkm Newcastle v Norwich.pkm Liverpool v Birmingham.pkm West Ham v Blackburn.pkm Man Utd v Brentford.pkm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkon Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) Hi, Yes, 2 years ago it was pointed out that an inordinate amount crosses were being blocked (resulting in far too many corners.) This unbalances the game. We were told that it would be looked into - nothing happened! If real football situations were observed it would be noted that usually a player in a crossing position will lay the ball back to a supporting player when his path is blocked and is unable to cross the ball...this would help to alleviate the problem. Edited December 18, 2020 by Arkon Spelling error 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkon Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) STILL nothing in latest update! Have they got their fingers stuck in their ears!! Seems a waste of time reporting these problems - over 2 years now! The same as the crazy offsides we used to have that took even longer to sink in! Edited December 18, 2020 by Arkon added some txt 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3nrique_SEP Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 It's impressive that this problem don't occur in FM18 and happen ever single time in the last three games 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 honestly, if this game cannot "simulate" and "generate" stats that are close to real life football... what is their strength in the industry?... being playable on Xbox? I'm starting to wonder if they even possess the ability and technology to take this Football manager saga forward... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) and what saddens me even more is the fact that there aren't any other alternatives besides FM. Edited December 18, 2020 by OHoh 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3nrique_SEP Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, OHoh said: and what saddens me even more is the fact that there aren't any other alternatives besides FM. i'm pretty dissapointed with myself that i've not refunded the game when i have the chance FM18 it's better than 21, maybe you can play it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nala Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, h3nrique_SEP said: i'm pretty dissapointed with myself that i've not refunded the game when i have the chance FM18 it's better than 21, maybe you can play it There is of course. Don't buy it. That's the only way SI games would really step up is if they lost customers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, nala said: There is of course. Don't buy it. That's the only way SI games would really step up is if they lost customers I hardly think they'd have any customers if ppl here all left, but they know too well that we won't leave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCFC87 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Seeing this a lot, not sure if the update made it worse or not. 13 crosses in my last game, 12 of them immediately blocked. It is not fun watching my full backs meander slowly around with the ball then smack it into the opposition defender over and over and over again. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervaj Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I got to say that I have been following this topic, and in my new save after the update it feels like this has improved notably. Mind you, the sample is small because is matches I have seen past few days, but I see both more crosses going through, not been blocked, and those that are have much more varied results. Like blocks going the opposite way from the end line or been kept by the defender seem to be more common than them going to corner. Like, I dont know if the numbers are realistic still, but what its certain at least from this small experience I had, is that before it was clear that most corners came from blocked crosses by a far marging, and the ratio of blocked crosses was insine, while now they are not even the source of the majority of corners. Corsses overall have a higher sucess rate (as in not been blocked, which indirectly does add to the effectvieness as a chance creation method). Both things still happen but feel quite toned down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4football Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 40 corners... Spoiler Chelsea - Arsenal.pkm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Some thoughts about too many corners reasons. Fm21 is better than ever and for the first time I can see game is really going forward while patches drop in. Theres still this huge thing concerning defline movement laterally and taking account how many strikers they are defending. I'm really excited to see can the static defline movement laterally be finally fixed in upcoming patches? I think not because I can only think how mutch work its going to need to pull it through. Anyway here's some thoughts why corners keep coming. My opinion problems causing this are: 1) Defline players too slow and cautious lateral movements. 2) Too good speed in dribbles. Continuing on next message. ME21.4.0_Chelsea-Arsenal.pkm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OHoh Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 17 hours ago, Pasonen said: great post, I just hope they take in all the hard work we're doing to make sure they fix the problem... trent-alexander arnold, one of the best crossers in the world, gets his crosses blocked all the time crosses don't have to connect every time but it should at least allow challenges in the box 88:25 tyrick mitchell decides to kick the ball out towards the end line allowing another corner, when he clearly could've just kicked it forward Liverpool had 20 corners Liverpool v Blackburn.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, OHoh said: great post, I just hope they take in all the hard work we're doing to make sure they fix the problem... Other problem is hard coded dribble more, cross more and cross from byline. These should not exist in player instructions. Main thing for players is to get the job done. Not force play because his role has been made to do that. I understand more dribbling, cross more in team instructions but player instructions are interfering the realistic presentation of football. I think this is the challenge when making football simulation GAME. It needs options for player to change and keep things interesting but same time keep presentation realistic. If player instructions are narrowed down game needs something else. Better match preparations or interactions for player concerning tactic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Pasonen said: Other problem is hard coded dribble more, cross more and cross from byline. These should not exist in player instructions. Main thing for players is to get the job done. Not force play because his role has been made to do that. I understand more dribbling, cross more in team instructions but player instructions are interfering the realistic presentation of football. I think this is the challenge when making football simulation GAME. It needs options for player to change and keep things interesting but same time keep presentation realistic. If player instructions are narrowed down game needs something else. Better match preparations or interactions for player concerning tactic. cannot agree with you more, all they've introduced so far in contrast to narrowed down team instructions and player instructions is the UI. They should be more concerned about the statistics that the simulator can generate in order to enhance user experience. we're all here because we love the details behind the game of football, not how its presented on our screen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritdonkey Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 Wing player gets the ball - wait - cross into defender - always corner. Repeat 28 times. 16 (AI) - 12 (ME) corners in one game Match are attached, hope it can help you with variety P. S. And please, don't ignore this topic. My subs reaction are still the same. Reims - Rennes.pkm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
konor Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I believe that wingers should fake some of the crosses. I have never seen wingers faking a cross even when the defender already started a sliding tackle in the game. They try to cross anyways. However in real life wingers usually fake their crosses if they feel that the defenders will make move to block the cross way. It would be useful especially when the opponent is playing with "stuck in" instructions. Fake the cross and send the sliding defender to home. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervaj Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 What % of cross sucess are you getting in your games/saves? And what are the realistic values of that in football? Asking to compare, because I really dont ahve this sensation so much after update. Maybe because its not showed in the highlights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 09:02, Jervaj said: What % of cross sucess are you getting in your games/saves? And what are the realistic values of that in football? Asking to compare, because I really dont ahve this sensation so much after update. Maybe because its not showed in the highlights. Cross % is irrelevant though. A cross that gets blocked by the defender right next to you and a cross that gets headed out of the box by a central defender both go as an incomplete cross. It isn't that crossing isn't good enough, it's that the attacker is just kicking the ball right into the guy next to him way too much. You hardly ever see this in real football, the attacker usually gets himself a yard of space and gets the cross away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervaj Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 hours ago, RocheBag said: Cross % is irrelevant though. A cross that gets blocked by the defender right next to you and a cross that gets headed out of the box by a central defender both go as an incomplete cross. It isn't that crossing isn't good enough, it's that the attacker is just kicking the ball right into the guy next to him way too much. You hardly ever see this in real football, the attacker usually gets himself a yard of space and gets the cross away. Ah I see. I agree that this happened a lot. I was seeing it all the time. The thing that made me curious is that after patch I only see it once or twice a match. Maybe still be too often but its cwrtainly much less than before. However people here seem to not have noted any decrease at all. I dont know if my matches are an oddity or if these actions are simply not often shown in highlights anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 shots 17 corners amazing indeed Blackburn v Newcastle.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 hours ago, Jervaj said: Ah I see. I agree that this happened a lot. I was seeing it all the time. The thing that made me curious is that after patch I only see it once or twice a match. Maybe still be too often but its cwrtainly much less than before. However people here seem to not have noted any decrease at all. I dont know if my matches are an oddity or if these actions are simply not often shown in highlights anymore. Hmm, I was seeing it much more often than that when I was still playing. I play 3 at the back with wingbacks though so maybe it depends. For some reason wingbacks on attack are hard coded to run wide with the ball and cross more often which I'm sure adds to the problem. No idea why does are so locked in to certain instructions. It gets worse every year. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duro Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I saw someone in other post reporting a problem that i think it´s related to this problem of crossing: the main problem must be the behaviour of the defence, mainly wide defending! The defence and wide defenders can´t defend wide, they stay deep, parking the bus and if you pay attention tha majority of times it´s the DCM, CM or wingers that close the player that it´s trying to cross. More, the problem that many people are reporting that we can only play (anda win) with one style of play: gegenpress, high defensive line and pressing hard. SI must have problems in coding defence behaviour and the problem of crossing is related to that! But I saw the same thing in FM19 and this problem persists! I didn´t bought or played FM20 so i can say if existed that problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 under review since FM19. sigh... 2 iterations and wide defending is still flawed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHoh Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 keep the examples coming so they can't neglect this issue and move on 31 corners in total corners manager 2021 Brighton v Blackburn.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) Crosses to defenders feet should not be automaticly rewarding attacker with corners. Giving examples where ball is hit to legs of the defenders. I say in these kind of crossing attempts defender should come winner more often. Take the ball away and start a counter. 02:48 Cross attempt after throw-in. Ball is at defenders legs as mutch as attackers but still cross is made. It hits defenders legs and one more corner. Defender should have had time to take ball away. LOOK CLOSELY! Commentary says ball is robbed but it is not robbed. Is the cross too fast to take the ball away? Why commentary say crosser is robbed but still he gets cross away and rewarded corner? @Josh Brimacombe-Wiard Is there something wrong in executing speeds of interception/tackle Vs crosses? Meaning cross is too fast to execute versus tackle etc. Minute 02.mp4 ------------ 03:37 Cross hit to defenders legs. Right flank 2 seconds with the ball to get cross off now setting the ball down and then crossing. Defenders should have had time to get ball away. Minute 03.mp4 -------------- 14:24 Defender got time to move under the ball and muscle it away, but now allows dribble to byline and one more corner VID-20210102-WA0012.mp4 ------------- Continuing on next message. ME21.4.0.0_BrightonvBlackburn.pkm Edited January 4, 2021 by Pasonen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) When looking this again and again. I just get a feeling that players with more dribbling doesn't know how many players there's inside the box. Without removing the whole instruction dribble more or cross from byline they should know this. Or then its just the instruction dribble more and cross from byline got too much weight on it. 30:46 Wide player got chance to cross but obeying his instruction (?) and dribbles more and goes byline. VID-20210102-WA0018.mp4 70:39 pass to wide defender at the left flank. chance to make one touch cross. Now takes the ball and dribbles it in. Maybe doing like instruction says, dribble more and cross from byline. Odd behaviour.. VID-20210102-WA0016.mp4 ME21.4.0.0_BrightonvBlackburn.pkm Edited January 2, 2021 by Pasonen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4football Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I was able to make 2 seasons with extended highlights and i can not look at such "crosses" any more. If this issue will be not fixed in 23.0 update and SI will tell that no more updates are planned for current FM then its gonna be my last and shortest FM version for the next few years for sure Edited January 2, 2021 by 4football 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilmar Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 It really is a shame, the game should be called "tackle & corner 21". I play the complete matches & I have 389 corners per game, really maddening, I won't play anymore. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
szp Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Because of this issue it is impossible to use "Winger", "Wingback" roles. Unless you want to go crazy and see even more corners per game. The problem is present at least since FM19. I remember that in one of the ME's in FM20 (i think the first one) there was slightly better balance with these blocked crosses. But in the next version the problem came back. I'll also give an example: 20 corners for me in this game Any news from SIGames? @Josh Brimacombe-Wiard? Hamburg - Braunschweig.pkm 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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