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@JPChenet Alright, just curiousity. I'm a coach myself (U-14) and I'd rather use real football references, but I'm very open minded and curious to know about different methodologies :) Surely both games (FIFA or FM) can't be detrimental if played

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Somebody read ingame twitter?

I dont sure but feeling this feature is useless. But I would love to read information about the leading tournaments, teams and players in the form of a digest or something like that. But so that this information comes every two weeks (or month) in the mailbox

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6 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

It's an almost 4 year old article, that's more about the players' recreational obsession with FIFA ( and actually lots of other games in general, due to lots of travelling and downtime, lots of people in pro sports are keen gamer, there's an England rugby player who was once number 1 in the world in Call of Duty) than any kind of truly concerted regular  professional analysis. 

And Steve Grieve makes game models based on data sent to him.

Not particularly relevant as feedback, not particularly relevant to football manager

Speak to any coach at any level and they will tell you that both FM and FIFA are used as reference to coaching academy footballers - 100%. 

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1 minuto fa, Novem9 ha scritto:

Somebody read ingame twitter?

I dont sure but feeling this feature is useless. But I would love to read information about the leading tournaments, teams and players in the form of a digest or something like that. But so that this information comes every two weeks (or month) in the mailbox

Social feeds is the very first thing I turn off when I start a new career.

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3 minuti fa, JPChenet ha scritto:

Speak to any coach at any level and they will tell you that both FM and FIFA are used as reference to coaching academy footballers - 100%. 

I disagree, but I live in a different Country :)

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4 minutes ago, Federico said:

@JPChenet Alright, just curiousity. I'm a coach myself (U-14) and I'd rather use real football references, but I'm very open minded and curious to know about different methodologies :)

Please DM me - well over 30 years coaching. Derby County, Nottingham Forest, Chasetown, Burnham, Maidenhead to name a few (youth and academy level). Had a few gems that have gone on to do very well and some that are now even coaches themselves.

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Everyone is entitled to a opinion but I have played both games and I don't see what coaches could honestly take tactically from fifa 🤔. Far prefer fm but that's just my opinion. 

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4 minutes ago, Weasek said:

Everyone is entitled to a opinion but I have played both games and I don't see what coaches could honestly take tactically from fifa 🤔. Far prefer fm but that's just my opinion. 

It's a tool. Many youngsters play FIFA - use it for example or demonstration for visualisation. All tools are helpful if it makes someone understand something better, whether it's positional, tactical etc.. Kids these days relate to games - CDM is a great example.

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9 minutes ago, JPChenet said:

It's a tool. Many youngsters play FIFA - use it for example or demonstration for visualisation. All tools are helpful if it makes someone understand something better, whether it's positional, tactical etc.. Kids these days relate to games - CDM is a great example.

OK fair enough thank you for explanation 

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1 hour ago, JPChenet said:

They are. To say there's useful comparison is a little blind. Both are used used in the professional game as tools - one as a tactical tool. 

It does irritate me on this forum that as a player football management sims that far outweighs most other players with over 30 years (yes, I do remember the days of playing PBM with the Collyer brothers) that it seems I cannot express myself. I really have committed myself to the title with hours and my wallet.

So have the rest of us committed time and money into the game. Step down off that high horse fella.

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1 hour ago, JPChenet said:

Yes I am coach. Championship to grassroots - mainly youth teams and academy though. I try not to encourage the use of games, although I'd rather they play FM and FIFA over violent games. Both games can used as reference to visual position and tactical shape.

Honestly no words... :rolleyes:

On a seperate note, loving the amount of people saying the latest update has ruined the ME. They haven't touched the ME only changed GK distribution and collection of stats.
FM 13 was one of my favourite ME's, then in second place 19, and then this years which is probably in between the two. Love the fact elite or very good players with certain stat spreads can score 40+ a season, and even players who shouldn't be able to, and then don't again! Like IRL. And that's coming from someone who loves defence. I'd rather have a 1-0 than a 4-1 anyday.  Also seeing a bit of personality creeping into players on the ME which is what I loved about 13. You could distinguish the player without having names above them.

FM 20 was horrific. It was stale. For an ME you need a variety of possibilities. You need to be kept on your toes. I feel like they actually need to add to this in terms of events on the pitch. In terms of variety of play, randomness but also keepers getting sent off etc. I also feel like this is the first ME in ages which allows you to see your changes take effect. 

I've always been very nervous of just ''a few minor changes' taking place on an ME, as from the past I know the huge knock on effect this can have. But this ME is probably the best in the las 7/8 years. 

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5 minutes ago, Domoboy23 said:

FA Badge 1 (online e course done in 20 minutes) alert :lol:

Level 1 is a bit of a joke - only failure is not to attend. Didn't realise they had changed the Level 1 to online, it was only last year the academy lads had to attend two weekends to do it, as well as Emergency Aid and other relevant courses. My, things have changed with Covid!

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11 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

Same, my fan goes crazy when it's processing & my laptop's more than capable of running the game

Mine has always gone crazy. I wonder what causes this, because yours has only happen since the latest patch.

 

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1 minute ago, d d said:

Mine has always gone crazy. I wonder what causes this, because yours has only happen since the latest patch.

 

No mate, has happened all the time, happened with FM20 too until the final patch (I think) 

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1 hour ago, Johnny Ace said:

No mate, has happened all the time, happened with FM20 too until the final patch (I think) 

You see 20 was like that for me, the fan was crazy and when the last patch came out it went more silent.

With 21 i have had the fan going loud all the time, and people say there laptop specs, meet there requirement.

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5 hours ago, dunk105 said:

The reason I do this is because I know wide play and crossing is an issue and every team plays ptb against me, so I want to be compact except for my fullbacks who get into space. I was inspired by Rashidi's Bayern thread so think the basis of the tactic is fairly sound. 

Hardly as if Im struggling.....despite your sarcastic claps and sighs....

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You also miss that a tactic with low tempo and work ball into box should not be resulting in huge amounts of crosses, and also more crucially that the AI does the same, and also that my main issue is the number of attempted crosses attempted leading to high amounts of blocked crosses- completion percentage I have no issue with (this last bit I clearly mention).

 

 

I did not mention anything about how good the tactic is. Just responding to your points of why the tactic results in a lot of blocked crosses. And I am pretty sure this tactic is very different from what rashidi uses. I have used that tactic before.

And I have mentioned why you get so many crosses despite the TI `work ball into box' that you used. And lower tempo has no correlation to the amount of crosses that you get. If the other team ptb against you, it is normal for you to get high amount of crosses because the only space is at the wide areas.

In case you missed my previous reply:

 

Play narrow does not mean that you only attack from the central area. You do most of your build up from the central areas but it does not mean you cannot make your last pass or cross from the wide areas. And PI has priority over TI meaning that the WB and the FB(a) does not care about the TI most of the time coupled with their higher mentality which gives them even more tactical freedom.

Work ball into box is not an instruction that you use every game. It can make it worse for you especially against certain formations.

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Fifa is used to coach academy footballers? That's worrying if so! Fifa is awful, and completely an arcade experience. At least choose PES which has superior animations and AI that has better awareness and positioning :D

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vor 9 Stunden schrieb Domoboy23:

On a seperate note, loving the amount of people saying the latest update has ruined the ME. They haven't touched the ME only changed GK distribution and collection of stats.
 

Well, i did not notice any change to the ME, it plays the same as pre-february-update but then i have 15 mods running from the mod pack so maybe that changes my experience.

Maybe its sort of a butterfly effect where even the slightest change or a reset of lets say i,e, tacitcal familarity or team cohesion shows heavy effects on the screen and makes look like the ME has changed drastically when it is mostly something else.

 

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Is it just me or is AI too effective in punishing higher def.lines? I am losing my mind with games that I thoroughly dominate, missing chance after chance, AI keepers having phenomenal games left and right and then conceding from ball over the top. 

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9 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said:

Fifa is used to coach academy footballers? That's worrying if so! Fifa is awful, and completely an arcade experience. At least choose PES which has superior animations and AI that has better awareness and positioning :D

I know! The world we live in now. Wish PES had a proper Pro Clubs mode.

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/jul/25/how-video-games-are-changing-youth-football-coaching-fifa

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4 часа назад, luka_zg сказал:

Is it just me or is AI too effective in punishing higher def.lines? I am losing my mind with games that I thoroughly dominate, missing chance after chance, AI keepers having phenomenal games left and right and then conceding from ball over the top. 

I play in FM21 lower LOE and won many games with worse stats of shots and chances. When I tried to create possession-based tactic, it were sad attempts :) Probably because I dont understand how to play in possession because I like defensive styles more, but looks like if you want to dominate, you need to consider roles interaction better as before. Also looks like you can't just push opposite team as before. I mean manager literally need to have a plan A,B,C as routes to attack. Or it will be high possession with nothing which create empty space in back.

I guess this is true for real life, if we check best teams based on possession like Man City - style started to be more pragmatic and careful. Possession for possession stopped to be effective. And clear ggpressing too.

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is the problem with match plans and the imposibility of disabling automatic subtitutions ever going to be addressed? i been reporthing this problem since at least fm19, with multiple reports in the bug forums but it keeps being ignored.

 if you are a mod, tester or any user from si games staff, u should be able to see the bug reports, currently they are hidden from public access because for example we cant access to bugs reported in fm21 beta stage

 

also there are a few others problems that are also being ignored even when there is multiple posts about them in the bug section.

 

  • swap positions, if one of the players swapping positions have individual instructions, the swap only happens in one direction and they never revert back to the original positions, swapping positions only work if you use positional instructions in both swapping players.
  • individual instruction get reverted back to positional instructions, just setup some individual instrucitons before the match, and at some point while the match is playing check if your players are using the individual instruction or positional, sometimes the individual instructions are gone and the player has been using positional instruction the whole time.
  • save/export highlights as video as not been working since the release of fm21
  • passing heatmap and similar tools to analyze matches and/or player performance is not working as intended and in some cases not working at all.

 

are any of these problems going to be fixed for fm21 ?

 

 

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