Jump to content

Football Manager 2021 *Official* Feedback Thread


Recommended Posts

il y a 29 minutes, Iakovenko a dit :

I hadn't noticed poor full back ratings, my lb is 4th highest average this season never getting lower than a 7.2 ... until it was fixed and first game he gets a 6.4, typical. 

Back to his old self next game tho

Does he take set pieces?

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 5.6k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

First impressions after the hotfix:

1. The player ratings seem fixed.

2. The match engine improved in a few key areas like players crosses and ability to create space and shoot. These are my first impression and nice done for this. Now I can play the game again.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The 4 top leagues at full detail, all players controlled by AI, no human interferences:

Martial 32 goals 6 assists 7.14

Sandro 27 goals 7.00

Morales 23 goals 6.94

Caputo 23 goals 6.85

etc

Seriously someone can tell that it is not broken compared to no full detail leagues, and compared with every FM of the last years??? Attackers are not fixed!

image.thumb.png.7971bc2d85a404d43595c7539a0b6a37.png

Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, evilpimp972 said:

Does he take set pieces?

No, only real difference I can see was he had no key passes for the first time this season.

A one off bad performance that just happened to come first game after the fix 

 

Edited by Iakovenko
Link to post
Share on other sites

If you use attacking full backs you likely won't notice any issue with their ratings.

The game gives a player a key pass if they pass to someone who shoots from 40 yards into the stands.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Anyone still having issues with average ratings? Played 5 games, won 4 and drew the other yet my fullbacks and central midfielders have an average rating of 6.6, despite them playing well?

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, pejocho said:

The 4 top leagues at full detail, all players controlled by AI, no human interferences:

Martial 32 goals 6 assists 7.14

Sandro 27 goals 7.00

Morales 23 goals 6.94

Caputo 23 goals 6.85

etc

Seriously someone can tell that it is not broken compared to no full detail leagues, and compared with every FM of the last years??? Attackers are not fixed!

image.thumb.png.7971bc2d85a404d43595c7539a0b6a37.png

This is still an issue. 
 

If my striker scores 2 goals he never gets an 8 or higher. Hat trick - gets a 9. 
 

What is required to get a 10?

Link to post
Share on other sites

4-1 win and then a 3-0 win back to back and yet in both games most of my team bar the strikers are averaging a 6.6?? How does this make sense? This has never happened on a previous FM, winning by these scores would result in the entire team having at least a 7.1.

Starting to think my save is just bugged at this point, considering starting a fresh one and seeing what happens with that.

Link to post
Share on other sites

So, I'm playing in Brazil with only south and north american leagues loaded, I know that I'm reaching the end of my first season but I didn't see any European or Chinese club trying to buy players from Brazilian clubs. Is that normal? Will it be improved from the second season on?

Link to post
Share on other sites
51 minutes ago, DP said:

This is still an issue. 
 

If my striker scores 2 goals he never gets an 8 or higher. Hat trick - gets a 9. 
 

What is required to get a 10?

In first game i saw since patch last night a striket for my reserves got a 10. At first glance he had scored 1 in a 6-0 win and i thought oh dear its gone extreme the other way.

 

On closer inspection he also got 4 assists so to answer your question a goal and 4 assists gets a 10.

Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Cider Ed said:

In first game i saw since patch last night a striket for my reserves got a 10. At first glance he had scored 1 in a 6-0 win and i thought oh dear its gone extreme the other way.

 

On closer inspection he also got 4 assists so to answer your question a goal and 4 assists gets a 10.

Ok but are the reserves on full detail? 

Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, Abysmal said:

4-1 win and then a 3-0 win back to back and yet in both games most of my team bar the strikers are averaging a 6.6?? How does this make sense? This has never happened on a previous FM, winning by these scores would result in the entire team having at least a 7.1.

Starting to think my save is just bugged at this point, considering starting a fresh one and seeing what happens with that.

It depends. If your strikers were not involved in the goals then it is possible. For me personally playing Serie A with Napoli I imidiately noticed the difference with the hotfix. The players now have better ratings then before and also more accurate.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, glenjamin said:

Do you have to start a new game for the changes to come into effect?

you mean a new save? If so, no. You do need to exit and restart the game though unless you've already done so since yday evening. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, damjanovski said:

It depends. If your strikers were not involved in the goals then it is possible. For me personally playing Serie A with Napoli I imidiately noticed the difference with the hotfix. The players now have better ratings then before and also more accurate.

I meant my strikers were the ones above a 6.6 as they were involved in the goals, everybody else in the team, even those with assists, got terrible ratings. Started a new save and immediately saw an improvement in player ratings so not sure whats going on really.

Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, Neil Brock said:

Some of the competition fixes (Israel squad numbers and Premier Division fixtures) are retroactive so will be save game compatible. All others will be save game compatible. 

Hi Neil, will the fixtures fix work on beta save please? 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Harry Kane has just scored 6 goals and an assist for me and got a 10 in a 7-1 wn over Southampton.

image.thumb.png.90f6b3d0a8110bd348fa5f9ccf15ef06.png

 

1st impressions after the hotfix are that it is far too easy and unrealistic.

Edited by Os
Link to post
Share on other sites
il y a 2 minutes, Os a dit :

Harry Kane has just scored 6 goals and an assist for me and got a 10 in a 7-1 wn over Southamptn.

 

1st impressions after the hotfix are that it is far too easy and unrealistic.

Wait what? It was already the case before the update, game was easy, they just touched player ratings.

10 for 6 goals is normal

Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, I see people again doubting if there is still a problem or not, as if this was not an objective and verifiable thing, so I will show the simple test:

4 top leagues (Italy, Germany, Spain, England)

The same save, simulated by two way, all at full detail and all at no full detail.

I only show players that have played >20 matches to get representative results.

GK:

No full detail

image.thumb.png.54a5270f2741c23607eb35bed700ee50.png

full detail

image.thumb.png.e9faf9d4ab1a8f0d065d7fff271887a1.png

Okey, acceptable

Center defenders:

no full detail

image.thumb.png.854f24b41ca85c474de51c7dcb4a71e1.png

full detail:

image.thumb.png.36f65f43fcc4a504aa259d0ea9097c77.png

Acceptable

Fullbacks:

no full detail:

image.thumb.png.81b276d902dcaf14902426f8ca3c11d0.png

full detail:

image.thumb.png.36ea9152fa673a3fbe212c296d519e61.png

Acceptable

Defensive midfielders:

no full detail:

image.thumb.png.9dae506cbf523099a9cbd3ce8b04fbbb.png

full detail

image.thumb.png.47dc2c4cd2df25efba00b5b6b3a478ef.png

Acceptable

Central midfielders

no full detail

image.thumb.png.3745a0fe5b07feeabb40039ceac6ba66.png

full detail

image.thumb.png.f90c86b4268ae1494db6b754cb67d653.png

Acceptable

Attacking midfielders

no full detail

image.thumb.png.d43ad45f21f186beb2a5e4415e19642f.png

full detail

image.thumb.png.c39451e2a38c603b5d437e195999fc0b.png

We can see more differences here, not huge but a bit different

Wingers

no full detail

image.thumb.png.ced5ba5e526abca0d296300e0823ee2f.png

full detail

image.thumb.png.e552a7502f90711c3b3b8651085786fd.png

Not fixed, huge differences, more that 0.20 difference as average as minimun

Strikers

no full detail

image.thumb.png.32a6123bf257858e9ce61ed9e84b061d.png

full detail

image.thumb.png.0d154bd37bd4084dd4579b9c818b8d5b.png

Not fixed, huge differences, more that 0.20 difference as average as minimun

 

Conclusion: Yes, there is a improvement, but strikers and wingers continue getting lower ratings compared to no full detail leagues

Edited by pejocho
bad english grammar
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, evilpimp972 said:

Wait what? It was already the case before the update, game was easy, they just touched player ratings.

10 for 6 goals is normal

I never found this, it's reminding me of the beta where they said high morale was leading to OP performances.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Justo ahora, Tyburn dijo:

Perhaps we have moved to a new usual?

It would make sense if full detail and no full detail leagues gets the same ratings, but it is no the case

Link to post
Share on other sites

Does anybody else have duplicate fixtures being shown on the latest scores tab? Playing a network game and seeing the same game listed twice is a very consistent occurrence.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, pejocho said:

It would make sense if full detail and no full detail leagues gets the same ratings, but it is no the case

As you know already, this is under review. :thup:

Link to post
Share on other sites

@pejocho - I see you have posted in the bugs section, so let SI have a look there. However, if others don't think it's an issue, there's no need to try to convince them otherwise.

Those who have issues can add examples to your post while the ones who don't can just play on as normal if they like.

For my part, I haven't noticed any difference since the patch. Not for full backs, and not for strikers or wingers. Then again, I didn't have an issue before the patch either. My best full back had 7.18 as average rating last season and this season (with the new patch) he has 7.37 so far, but more assists than last season, so that could contribute to the higher rating.

My best winger have had an average of over 8 for the last 3 seasons, and still does so far this time around, so I can't say much have changed for my part.

The highest rated player for an AI team in my league is a winger as well with 7.40 average, so things look fine here.

Link to post
Share on other sites
hace 1 minuto, HUNT3R dijo:

As you know already, this is under review. :thup:

Sincerely I didnt know, I saw that SI published the new update fixing the player ratings problem, and they told that they would improve other things like key tackles etc, but i didnt read that player ratings continue being a issue.If so, im glad of it.

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, pejocho said:

Sincerely I didnt know, I saw that SI published the new update fixing the player ratings problem, and they told that they would improve other things like key tackles etc, but i didnt read that player ratings continue being a issue.If so, im glad of it.

The change list mentions changes to match ratings in the ME as that was the problem - it was abnormally low in a lot of cases. This doesn't affect quick sim ME ratings which is much more comparable, though still a little off. So that is still going to be under review.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, DP said:

Ok but are the reserves on full detail? 

Not sure to be honest but they batter most teams and havent been getting great ratings until post patch. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I wish I could take back all the things I've said about my full backs in this save. So many warnings , fines, transfer listings and berating in press conferences.

The last one I sold just got player of the season.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Long throws are way too OP when 2 human managers face each other

This is 2021 not 2008 only Delap was a constant long throw threat

I literally dont remember the last time someone scored from a long throw in top flight football

In game players with 14-16 LT ratings can hit the far side of the 6 yard box from a throw 20 yards from the goal line (Digne)

ive never seen him do such a feat in real life

Link to post
Share on other sites

You cant tell any attacking mids or wingers that they squandered chances. dunno what the logic behind that is.

 

If a player scores 1 you cant complain that he missed plenty of big chances. Is it score one goal and thats it jobs done??

 

Edited by jere_d
Link to post
Share on other sites

Really dissappointed that the spanish issue with squad numbers is not fixed in the latest patch! :confused: 

Edited by molsen
Link to post
Share on other sites

So here we go again. It's like groundhog Day every year with these updates that change the game. Getting fed up now - tactic now useless, Hull city in league one should be easy with the squad I have - lost 4 out of 5 and got sacked. The tactic pre update took me straight to prem and where I was top half in the premiership every season 

Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, theeyeofthetiger said:

So here we go again. It's like groundhog Day every year with these updates that change the game. Getting fed up now - tactic now useless, Hull city in league one should be easy with the squad I have - lost 4 out of 5 and got sacked. The tactic pre update took me straight to prem and where I was top half in the premiership every season 

Didn’t fancy changing it? In all honesty I was convinced after every update that there were stealth tweaks to the ME that resulted in my tactic being skewed too. But I’m more inclined to believe now that it’s just psychosomatic and coincidence. Mainly because, if anything, my tactic appears stronger after this hotfix (it’s not, my players are just progressing with it better).

Edited by Tyburn
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Viking said:

You fixed the name of the latest opposition goal scorer getting stuck on the screen. Thank you! <3

I get this during online head to heads

Link to post
Share on other sites

Five seasons in, won 3 Prem titles and in final season won the treble of league / FA cup / champions league. All while having the highest net profit transfer spend in the league (about £40m up last season). In the summer I ask the board to step in and buy Jude Bellingham for me, and attached is the reply I get.

It's either a bug or the game is taking the ****.

 

SI.PNG

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, beirneoliver said:

Five seasons in, won 3 Prem titles and in final season won the treble of league / FA cup / champions league. All while having the highest net profit transfer spend in the league (about £40m up last season). In the summer I ask the board to step in and buy Jude Bellingham for me, and attached is the reply I get.

It's either a bug or the game is taking the ****.

 

 

Having a high net transfer spend means you spend as lot more than you sell... Which could explain why they ain't backing you fiscally.

anyways you missed out the important info... The screen shot of your club vision, so we can see if you're actually under pressure.

Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, beirneoliver said:

Five seasons in, won 3 Prem titles and in final season won the treble of league / FA cup / champions league. All while having the highest net profit transfer spend in the league (about £40m up last season). In the summer I ask the board to step in and buy Jude Bellingham for me, and attached is the reply I get.

It's either a bug or the game is taking the ****.

 

SI.PNG

It’s Levy! What did you expect ;)

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry I meant that's the amount I brought in more than I spent. The club has been profitable on transfers every season. As you asked for vision, here you go and I also included the finance screen as well.

There's also the point to be addressed in the original post that I am 'hardly enjoying a strong season'. That just makes no sense.

SI3.PNG

SI4.PNG

Link to post
Share on other sites

Player ratings have really gone to dust. While the new hotfix 'seems' to have fixed the player ratings, its far from it. 

Looks like the ratings problem has simply been transferred from the defensive players to the offensive players. These were the ratings i got in a 0-1 loss to leicester.

Prior to any of the patches, i lost 0-3 to leicester and ratings are about the same as a 0-1 loss in the new patch.

I dream of the day I can get such ratings in a 1-0 victory once again

image.png.3a6518bc44636e4f5523e0de276f2983.png

image.png

image.png

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, barbecuepit said:

 

image.png

image.png

I don't see the issue here

I'm sure there's more to rating than just the scoring

some Players can have an excellent game and still lost 3 nil

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, theeyeofthetiger said:

So here we go again. It's like groundhog Day every year with these updates that change the game. Getting fed up now - tactic now useless, Hull city in league one should be easy with the squad I have - lost 4 out of 5 and got sacked. The tactic pre update took me straight to prem and where I was top half in the premiership every season 

There were no changes to the ME other than how much value each involvement have for player rating, so if you are struggling then it's got nothing to do with the update.

Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, DP said:

This is still an issue. 
 

If my striker scores 2 goals he never gets an 8 or higher. Hat trick - gets a 9. 
 

What is required to get a 10?

Usually in most previous FM's it would take 6 goals (double hat trick) for them to get a 10, strikers having an excellent season usually average around 7.4 rating over the course of the season.

Players don't have out of this world matches every game in FM, it's just not realistic, form, fitness, morale or factor in to their game performance.

People need to not get obsessed with the highest number all the time for everything, any player that has a 7 ave rating or higher should be classed as a world class season.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, barbecuepit said:

Player ratings have really gone to dust. While the new hotfix 'seems' to have fixed the player ratings, its far from it. 

Looks like the ratings problem has simply been transferred from the defensive players to the offensive players. These were the ratings i got in a 0-1 loss to leicester.

Prior to any of the patches, i lost 0-3 to leicester and ratings are about the same as a 0-1 loss in the new patch.

I dream of the day I can get such ratings in a 1-0 victory once again

image.png.3a6518bc44636e4f5523e0de276f2983.png

image.png

image.png

Really what this highlights is just how pointless player ratings have been for years in FM. Win or lose, your players are all rated fairly similarly. It tells you practically nothing useful.

I'd love SI to implement a proper rating system that can actually rate players on a scale from 1-10, not from 6-7.

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, HCFC87 said:

Really what this highlights is just how pointless player ratings have been for years in FM. Win or lose, your players are all rated fairly similarly. It tells you practically nothing useful.

I'd love SI to implement a proper rating system that can actually rate players on a scale from 1-10, not from 6-7.

They ARE rated from 1-10.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   1 member

×
×
  • Create New...