d d Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I have been reading a lot of feedback on FM21, a lot of people have been saying how fast it is, but I have been founding 20 quicker, which is strange, I know Miles had said they have optimize 21, but i have been FM20 quicker. Only when you save i find 21 quicker, but the day to day processing i find 20 quicker. Maybe its my laptop, but someone did say on there old laptop it was quick. Strange. Has anybody else experience this or 21 plays faster? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArneH Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I play with big databases (bigger than Miles stated in his comparison). I do not expect a speedy game, but I feel there is a noticeable slower time on simulating time (hitting next). The matches are fine and the saves are indeed faster, just day-to-day is slower than FM20. This is however a beta, so I believe there might be further improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Really? I find that odd since I have really found FM21 to be significantly more optimized than FM20. Saving takes a fraction of the time, processing is faster, I no longer hang on certain screens. Even loading the players into the player search is quicker. Maybe this is a hardware thing? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArneH Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, sporadicsmiles said: Really? I find that odd since I have really found FM21 to be significantly more optimized than FM20. Saving takes a fraction of the time, processing is faster, I no longer hang on certain screens. Even loading the players into the player search is quicker. Maybe this is a hardware thing? I doubt it is hardware related. I use the exact same hardware as playing FM20. It might be related to database size. Maybe the optimizations are specific for smaller ones but I am just speculating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 I thought it might be hardware thing but the game is the same specs. I have a slight lag on the processing the days, and the fan is going wild. i don't get that lag on 20. Plus i am using the same database on both games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifty Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Day to day simulation, match smoothness and saving speed is 10x faster on FM21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 According to this thread, apart from initial game set up, processing, loading and saving are quicker in FM 21 https://community.sigames.com/topic/537192-loading-and-saving-times/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Playing with all leagues and about 400k players i have to say that FM21 is much, much quicker for me compared to FM20. Processing from day to day. Loading and saving. Screens with packed information.....it's all so much quicker for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 When i read things like that it makes me wonder what i am doing wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, FrazT said: According to this thread, apart from initial game set up, processing, loading and saving are quicker in FM 21 https://community.sigames.com/topic/537192-loading-and-saving-times/ You see loading and saving is quicker but its the processing through the days is a little bit slower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Arne69 said: I doubt it is hardware related. I use the exact same hardware as playing FM20. It might be related to database size. Maybe the optimizations are specific for smaller ones but I am just speculating. 2 hours ago, d d said: I thought it might be hardware thing but the game is the same specs. I have a slight lag on the processing the days, and the fan is going wild. i don't get that lag on 20. Plus i am using the same database on both games. I was thinking more that there was an issue with optimization on the hardware used, not that the hardware is itself not good enough to run the game. I am not an expert in this, but I know that different combinations of components could give different performances. I am definitely not the right person to ask about this though! I am a software man, not a hardware one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrymcintyre Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I do find it much quicker to save/load and process days between matches. It gets through international breaks in no time now. It is one of the major pluses for me about this years game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boroboss Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I’m using a pretty basic laptop and 21 runs a lot better than 20, I seem able to add a few more thousand players in the database and it takes about 20% of the time to save/load all while running slightly faster and smoother than last years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I have a Ryzen 5 3600 and 16gb of ram, day to day processing and match processing definitely feel slower than fm20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 It must depend on the machine that you play on. That determines how fast it plays. Borroboss how basic is your laptop you are playing it on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaffy Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) when I saw the feedback from Miles about the speed improvements in fm21 I started thinking about changing my normal database set up and increasing the number of playable leagues that I run. Based upon a one season test apparently “Saving the game is circa 76% faster Overall, the game is circa 14% faster“ I am currently running my own tests but, based upon results so far, I am not convinced that the actual game processing time (excluding save time improvements) has improved noticeably. I initially thought that the 14% improvement referred to game processing speed but think that it actually largely reflects the benefits over a season of auto saves being quicker. Save times are definitely a lot quicker .... but actual game processing excluding saves...not convinced... Edited November 19, 2020 by mhaffy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 That is a very good point you make there. When you do a season, its going to be naturally quicker because the quickness of the save game time. I had the same thought process as you with the 14% quicker game playing, but your right,that is only down to saving game. The processing for me, does not seem quicker. I mean they may optimize it, my fan goes more crazy than 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaffy Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) I have finally completed my testing, comparing FM20 game processing speed (excluding the impact of auto save speed improvements) to the recently released FM21 Beta by going on holiday for a whole year. 17 Nations and 30 playable leagues with a small database were selected with both FM20 and the FM21 Beta indicating circa 65k players when the game was set up with a 2 star estimated game speed. This is the size of set up and estimated game speed that I usually have for my long term career save. Chelsea was selected in the English Premier League and when going on holiday I set "Reject all offers" and "Use Current Match Tactics". The test results for FM20 were very consistent but there were variations in the FM21 Beta test times. The FM20 test for the year including 19/20 Season took 75 minutes with the following year covering the 20/21 Season taking 95 minutes both times the tests were run. There will be more players in my FM20 test for the year including 20/21 Season but I beleive that a more likely cause of the significant increase in the time the test took is probably due to there being additional periodic international competitions taking place in the year including 20/21. In comparing the game speed of FM20 to the FM21 Beta, I believe that the most accurate comparison is between the years including the 20/21 Season. Summary information of the 1 year holiday tests that I ran is as follows: The above tests appear to indicate a game processing speed improvement of some 5 minutes over 1 year (95 minutes reducing to circa 90 minutes) - 5% improvement Increasing the detail level from Default in FM21 Beta so that the detail in top leagues in 5 major nations (England, France, Germany, Italy & Spain) were set to "All Competitive Matches" rather than the Default in my tests of England led to the time taken being increased from 90 minutes to 104.3 minutes - 16% extra time take for an additional 4 major leagues having detail level increased to "All Competitive Matches". I noticed a significant improvement in game save speeds with my FM21 Beta test taking 4.3 seconds to save versus 14.5 secs in FM20 - 70% improvement At different auto save intervals, save times over a 1 year period compare as follows: Combining processing time and save time over 1 year gives the following: In summary there appears to be a small % improvement in overall game processing speed with a significant reduction in the time taken to save games. A tweet from Miles indicated an overall improvement of 14% over 1 year which is consistent with my results including weekly autosave. I think that, based upon the above, I will probably keep my existing game setup and bank the speed improvements rather than run more playable leagues etc to maintain the same overall experience. Type: Desktop Model: Dino PC CPU Model: i7 - 7700 CPU Base Frequency: 3.6GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.2 GHz RAM: 16GB DDR4 RAM Clockspeed: 2129Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Storage Type: SSD but my SI directory where games saved to is on HDD Edited November 20, 2020 by mhaffy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Thats a pretty good test you done. The save game is a big improvement, in terms of times. The rest of the game not much difference in speed. It could come down to the machine. Miles test said it was 17% but yours was 5%, save game time really brings it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 My other worry is the laptop fan, it get loud when you play a game on 20 but it goes quiet after that. 21 its constantly on loud all through the game and processing. It only comes down in standby mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, d d said: My other worry is the laptop fan, it get loud when you play a game on 20 but it goes quiet after that. 21 its constantly on loud all through the game and processing. It only comes down in standby mode. For me it is quite contrary. On FM 20 fan was working even between games and CPU temperature was around 60-70 but know it is around 54 and even during the games it is pretty quiet. It might be because I reduced detail level slightly though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d d Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Hi CM. How do you fund the temperature? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, d d said: Hi CM. How do you fund the temperature? Clean My Mac for Mac. Don't know they have one for Windows though. It is Clean My Pc for Windows. Edited November 20, 2020 by CM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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