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Hi Daveincid and everyone, this thread was a good read but I'm still indecisive over which DB to use. My computer has an i5-9300HF CPU and 8GB RAM, and my new savegame will be LLM in Britain. Ideally I'd want something more focused on the lower divisions, but that produced realistic competitions for clubs and countries, but my computer might not be able to handle 20+ seasons with 100k players. What do you reckon would be the best one in this case?

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vor 50 Minuten schrieb SCCP1910:

Hi Daveincid and everyone, this thread was a good read but I'm still indecisive over which DB to use. My computer has an i5-9300HF CPU and 8GB RAM, and my new savegame will be LLM in Britain. Ideally I'd want something more focused on the lower divisions, but that produced realistic competitions for clubs and countries, but my computer might not be able to handle 20+ seasons with 100k players. What do you reckon would be the best one in this case?

Hi Mate, 

As your CPU has 4C/8T and "only" 8GB RAM I personally wouldn't load too many leagues as playable. But there are still decent setups possible. The player-count itself isn't an issue. You can load 150k and your CPU and RAM can handle it, if you don't set too many leagues as playable. :)

I would use the following setup:

Playable: England (As low as you want you LLM-Save), France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany (All First two divisions and the rest view-only below) Brazil Argentina, USA, Mexico, China, South-Korea (Top Division playable, rest view-only below)

View-only: Whole Great-Britain and the Nations I set Importance to 1, maybe even 2)

This way you get a decent db-size, while having arround 25 leagues playable and a lot on view-only. 

If your aim is realistic results it's important to simulate theese competitions on full detail (This is the most heaviest task for your CPU)

Make sure that you don't run a lot of other tasks beside FM, because 8GB is really on the bottom end :)

I would also play with a big db and load all players from top-division clubs and with national reputation.

If this setup is too much for you, you could reduce the amount of playable leagues (For example only top-division playable outside of England)

I hope I was able to help a bit, it's always difficult to give a  perfect answer, as everyone has different views and needs:)

 

Cheers

Daveincid

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Hi @Daveincid. Great and useful thread. However, I am also stuck in the endless obsession with the perfect balanced setup. And I tend to overdo things, as I always load too much (without much benefit I guess).

What would you recommend for me in my case?:

  • 5800X CPU
  • 3080 RTX
  • 32GB (3660MHZ)  DDR4 RAM
  • I'd prefer a setup where I could technically end up in any continent in the game, but probably will start a South-American (Brazil league) game for the first time ever. But not rule out moving out to another continent in the game at some point if things go well.

Also I got a lot of realism mods loaded and almost all extra leagues by Davie added. But I don't think it's really useful to load all of the primary leagues of nations like Turkmenistan (even though I have a hard time NOT loading too many nations playable).

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vor 1 Minute schrieb CrowBar:

What would you recommend for me in my case?:

In terms of realism/cpu-power? All Nations playable with at least the 1st + 2nd division?:lol:

vor 3 Minuten schrieb CrowBar:

But I don't think it's really useful to load all of the primary leagues of nations like Turkmenistan (even though I have a hard time NOT loading too many nations playable).

This is why I made a list (hidden) in my thread prioritizing Nations from 1 (most important) to 4 (least important) :brock: I would play with all Nations playable from 1-3 and 4 I would set as view-only with adding players via the advanced db.

 

vor 8 Minuten schrieb CrowBar:

I always load too much (without much benefit I guess).

In terms of realism you actually can't load enough. But just an example. Did you know that in Iraq they pay up to 100k for their top-players? This is a reason why so many Iraq-players don't move to Europe or more known Nations, because they got decent money there. Same goes to Bangladesh. Foreign players earn more than in Australia. We could argue how "important" this is, but for me personally it matters:D

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Daveincid

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3 minutes ago, Daveincid said:

In terms of realism/cpu-power? All Nations playable with at least the 1st + 2nd division?:lol:

This is why I made a list (hidden) in my thread prioritizing Nations from 1 (most important) to 4 (least important) :brock: I would play with all Nations playable from 1-3 and 4 I would set as view-only with adding players via the advanced db.

 

In terms of realism you actually can't load enough. But just an example. Did you know that in Iraq they pay up to 100k for their top-players? This is a reason why so many Iraq-players don't move to Europe or more known Nations, because they got decent money there. Same goes to Bangladesh. Foreign players earn more than in Australia. We could argue how "important" this is, but for me personally it matters:D

Cheers

Daveincid

Ahhh, I didn't even notice that hidden list. Now that is really useful, thanks! Alright, I'll think I'll do what you said and not deviate from that. Appreciated.

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Gerade eben schrieb CrowBar:

hhh, I didn't even notice that hidden list

Might be a problem of visual presentation:lol: I always struggle to represent that much information clearly. After my next update I try to improve the guide:thup:

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I think I went a bit overboard with the added modded leagues (by Davie), I added all of them, and the ones in the 4th tier (as per your hidden list) I only did as view only. But the game explodes itself. Meaning when I save, and try to load later "Can't load the save game". I think I'll have to cut off many of the added modded leagues, haha. Will try it again that way.

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vor 5 Minuten schrieb CrowBar:

I think I went a bit overboard with the added modded leagues (by Davie), I added all of them, and the ones in the 4th tier (as per your hidden list) I only did as view only. But the game explodes itself. Meaning when I save, and try to load later "Can't load the save game". I think I'll have to cut off many of the added modded leagues, haha. Will try it again that way.

this is strange...this issue shouldn't be connected with davie's files or the size of the database. 

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On 09/04/2021 at 19:09, Daveincid said:

this is strange...this issue shouldn't be connected with davie's files or the size of the database. 

Yes I figured it out, a faulty out of date file caused it.

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vor 14 Minuten schrieb CrowBar:

Yes I figured it out, a faulty out of date file caused it.

:thup:

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Hi,

I just found this thread, and was wondering about your opinion on this: Loading the most imporant nations as fully playable: England, Spain, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, Portugal.. maybe Russia, Brazil and Argentina and then loading all, or almost all players through advanced DB (based in nation or nationality for all continents or regions)? Or do you think adding view-only leagues gives greater advantages over not loading them at all.

Would it have any benefit / drowback to load the game at the start with all leagues set as playable, and then switch out most of them to view only, or remove them so just to leave the players generated?

Bear in mind that I have i5 3.3GHz, so not the best machine, but I don't mind a little bit of waiting and slow game given that I tend to play really slow anyway. My idea is to play simultaniously with two different teams / managers.

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vor 5 Stunden schrieb TelcontarTargaryen:

Hi,

I just found this thread, and was wondering about your opinion on this: Loading the most imporant nations as fully playable: England, Spain, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, Portugal.. maybe Russia, Brazil and Argentina and then loading all, or almost all players through advanced DB (based in nation or nationality for all continents or regions)? Or do you think adding view-only leagues gives greater advantages over not loading them at all.

Would it have any benefit / drowback to load the game at the start with all leagues set as playable, and then switch out most of them to view only, or remove them so just to leave the players generated?

Bear in mind that I have i5 3.3GHz, so not the best machine, but I don't mind a little bit of waiting and slow game given that I tend to play really slow anyway. My idea is to play simultaniously with two different teams / managers.

hmmm In your case I personally would load the Nations you mentioned as playable, add leagues as view-only in combination with adding players throught the advanced DB from all top division clubs etc. (I wouldn't load "all" players, I would tick all except "active players" and "players in nation") 

Cheers

Daveincid

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For someone that has played FM for so long, I'm almost embarrassed to be asking this question! Historically, I've loaded the minimal amount of leagues and no extra players as I've always wanted speed. I've also been a slave to the star ratings and panicked when not having 5* for run speed! However, I've grown to want the realism and much more immersive game world. I've run a test with just one country but every player (~400k) and it was actually not as slow as I imagined. Still, that is probably overkill and not going to help when I start adding in some extra leagues.

This is what my laptop specs are:

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What would you recommend @Daveincid?

Many thanks

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vor 6 Stunden schrieb _Ben_:

I've also been a slave to the star ratings and panicked when not having 5* for run speed!

I always begging people to ignore the star rating, because it says much less about speed as you think^^

vor 6 Stunden schrieb _Ben_:

I've run a test with just one country but every player (~400k) and it was actually not as slow as I imagined.

This is what I always said. The players in the loaded database is one of the smallest factors when it comes down to slower processing speed. 

vor 6 Stunden schrieb _Ben_:

What would you recommend @Daveincid?

 

You could go for a similar setup I recommended just the post before:

vor 11 Stunden schrieb Daveincid:

hmmm In your case I personally would load the Nations you mentioned as playable, add leagues as view-only in combination with adding players throught the advanced DB from all top division clubs etc. (I wouldn't load "all" players, I would tick all except "active players" and "players in nation") 

Cheers

Daveincid

Cheers

Daveincid

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On 17/04/2021 at 11:31, Daveincid said:
On 17/04/2021 at 11:22, _Ben_ said:

 

You could go for a similar setup I recommended just the post before:

Thank you. I appreciate your quick response. 

What are your thoughts on using full detail on a number of/all of these leagues?

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vor 1 Minute schrieb _Ben_:

Thank you. I appreciate your quick response. 

What are your thoughts on using full detail on a number of/all of these leagues?

you are welcome!

Well in the end I always recommend as much as possible^^ Most important are the international competitions like CL, EL and so on followed by the top-5 leagues. 

Cheers

Daveincid

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On 15/11/2020 at 13:58, Daveincid said:

international games, games from National-Teams and the games in your league simulated in full detail

Hey I was wondering what the difference is between international games and games from national teams?

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Gerade eben schrieb francis#17:

Hey I was wondering what the difference is between international games and games from national teams?

International Games are "Champions League, Europa League etc", National-Teams should be clear :)

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Daveincid

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Just now, Daveincid said:

International Games are "Champions League, Europa League etc", National-Teams should be clear :)

Cheers

Daveincid

Thank you!

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Thank you for this thread!

 

What would you recommend för a 10900KF and 32 GB RAM setup?

 

I will be playing in Italy, serie A. Would like some decent speed, but also as much realism as I can get without having to wait for too long on things.

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vor einer Stunde schrieb mibsweden:

Thank you for this thread!

You are welcome :)

vor einer Stunde schrieb mibsweden:

What would you recommend för a 10900KF and 32 GB RAM setup?

It's a pretty beefy CPU so:

  • If you don't have that much patience

- Loading top 20 nations playable, all the others view-only, international games, games from National-Teams and the games in your league simulated in full detail, with the advanced db-option for all players from first divison and national reputation:

This setup Is IMO the general sweetspot for a realistic longterm-save. Mid-range processor recommended.

  • I personally would go for this setup, which does need some patience, but definetly worth the wait IMO:

- Loading all nations playable, international games, games from National-Teams and the games in your league simulated in full detail, with players loaded from all nations with the advanced-db option (ca 194k players):

This setup guarantees you a balanced game world and high transfer activity around the globe. Leagues which aren't available with the vanilla version will have problems in being competitive in the long run. As soon as you are setting games to simulated in full detail, I recommend a modern 8-core 16-threaded processor

Cheers

Daveincid

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Hello @Daveincid

 

Thank you very much again and again for this great work.

I have a silly question which maybe asked lots of times before and you might be sick of to respond but here it is;

I try to use your files and @majesticeternity FM Expansion Packs Megapack as you also referred in your first message

 

Could it be possible that you clarify what is the perfect mix in terms of files to use  in between these two megapack?

Which ones hasn't to be duplicated?

 

Thanks  

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vor 6 Minuten schrieb Ups81:

Hello @Daveincid

 

Thank you very much again and again for this great work.

I have a silly question which maybe asked lots of times before and you might be sick of to respond but here it is;

I try to use your files and @majesticeternity FM Expansion Packs Megapack as you also referred in your first message

 

Could it be possible that you clarify what is the perfect mix in terms of files to use  in between these two megapack?

Which ones hasn't to be duplicated?

 

Thanks  

I really answered this question several times. There are files which really clash and files I personally just do no recommend for a realistic save-game. 

In general:

- Do not use other mods which may conflict with my megapack at the same time. This includes files which changes:
- Youth Ratings
- Market Values
- Transfer Preferences
- Sponsorship
- Finances
- Languages (only Switzerland)
- League Reputations
 
I created a list of files which I recommend to use for the best FM-Experience down to my opinion, which can be found on my Patreon.
 
Cheers
 
Daveincid
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  • Daveincid changed the title to Guide how to set up an optimal database for a balanced savegame and ways to increase realism (updated 03. May 21) *links updated*

Update 03.05.21 (links added)

 

There is a great megapack from @davie77 which makes all Nations playable ingame. I worked close together with him and tested his files, so I know about the high quality-standard.

https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/550750-fm21-around-the-globe-megapack-by-dave-46-completed

I highly recommend the graphic-files and the realistic-injuries-file from @majesticeternity which can be found in the editors hideaway download forum too.

https://community.sigames.com/forum/834-editors-hideaway-download-forum-fm21/

I also recommend the data-updates from @pr0

https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/539013-fm21-transfers-data-update-packs-by-pr0-fmtu/

Cheers

Daveincid

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