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1 minute ago, keeper#1 said:

That's not good, @VillaSmith the original owners, I think, are Sugardaddy underwriters.  I've never had to deal with debt or pay for stadium upgrades or the new stadium.  The owner has paid for it all and it never impacted my balance.

Aw, now ya tell me :( I was getting frustrated with the board never giving me professional status or improving the Youth/Training facilities, didn't realise they were underwriters.

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2 minutes ago, VillaSmith said:

Aw, now ya tell me :( I was getting frustrated with the board never giving me professional status or improving the Youth/Training facilities, didn't realise they were underwriters.

I've paid for one training upgrade (after the facilities were downgraded) and one youth facility upgrade since I started the save.  Everything else has been plowed into junior coaching and youth recruitment.  The owners made the decision to build the new stadium not me and it never appeared on my balance sheet.

I'm assuming that they are underwriters.  Every season where I've had a loss, the owners have injected money into the club.

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19 minutes ago, keeper#1 said:

I've paid for one training upgrade (after the facilities were downgraded) and one youth facility upgrade since I started the save.  Everything else has been plowed into junior coaching and youth recruitment.  The owners made the decision to build the new stadium not me and it never appeared on my balance sheet.

I'm assuming that they are underwriters.  Every season where I've had a loss, the owners have injected money into the club.

Ahh, that does sound a lot like my save actually, maybe I was just too impatient

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19 minutes ago, keeper#1 said:

Anything about the number of players going down over time?

In fact there is this as well

will this fix it?

- Further improvements to inactive leagues generating newgens
- Tweaks to ages of youth candidates coming through

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5 hours ago, DazRTaylor said:

Ok I need help. Where should I start next?  Was going to start in The Netherlands in the eighth tier.  Not sure though. Prefer SI out of the box leagues. Any ideas?

Gibraltar but it is not allowed for youth challenge. One prize money bug in the SI file, and one big registrer bug in the updated database :( 

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11 hours ago, DJ Sir Matthew said:

Ok, I need some HOYD advice. This was my original one:

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I replaced him with this one at the start of the game:

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Just now I was allowed 1 extra coach (dearly need a fitness coach) and when I went to staff search, bumped into this one:

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Would you replace Gavin with Mark or not?

What are their media handling styles?

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11 minutes ago, JAwtunes said:

My OCD requires me to tie up some loose ends first.

It is funny you say that as I am exactly the same.  I can't manage a club without kits.  The sponsor must be the same on both or all three kits etc etc.

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1 hour ago, JAwtunes said:

What are their media handling styles?

The old HOYD had Outspoken, Level-Headed. The current one Gavin has Outspoken, Media-Friendly, Reserved (how does outspoken & reserved work? Does he have multiple personalities? schizophrenic? )

The hopefully new one Mark who I temporarily signed as U18 Ass Man (and not as Manager because I hope to get a better coach for that position) has Reserved

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13 minutes ago, KVJ92 said:

How are the finances after two 2nd rounds in the FA cup? Enough to upgrade something?

No I kept trying to upgrade. The cup runs were massive help to get out of the red each time but by the end of the season back in the red again

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Season Review 2030/31

Change in tactics this year and I am just going to try outscore everybody!

Another good start but the usual decline happened

The Youth Intake looks really good, especially with Djordje Mrdja who scored twice on his debut and 5 in the game against the U23's

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14 minutes ago, Padders said:

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Season Review 2030/31

Change in tactics this year and I am just going to try outscore everybody!

Another good start but the usual decline happened

The Youth Intake looks really good, especially with Djordje Mrdja who scored twice on his debut and 5 in the game against the U23's

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128 - 120 :D:D:D

Can you show us Mrdja or are you still many seasons in? 

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58 minutes ago, DJ Sir Matthew said:

The old HOYD had Outspoken, Level-Headed. The current one Gavin has Outspoken, Media-Friendly, Reserved (how does outspoken & reserved work? Does he have multiple personalities? schizophrenic? )

The hopefully new one Mark who I temporarily signed as U18 Ass Man (and not as Manager because I hope to get a better coach for that position) has Reserved

Feel free to ignore everything im about to say, but just thought this might help a little in your decision.

You probably know, but the Personality and MH descriptions change as certain hidden attributes change.  I have a tool for real staff, not newgen so not sure how they might differ, to look at this.  This is what is says the ranges for two key hidden attributes are for your staff (Professionalism and Ambition).

T Conroy; Balanced, Det=5, MH=Outspoken, LH
Count 1409.  Amb=1-14, Prof=3-14
Grade F (I use this as a quick guide and will consider other visible attributes etc. when deciding who to employ.  The grade is simple based on actual Det and average of Amb/Prof range, and the attributes are given equal weighting - as per video quoting Seb W in 2020.)

G Cogdon; F Prof, Det=14, MH=Outspoken, MF
Count 11!.  Amb=10-15, Prof=15-17
Grade B+

M Robinson; Model Prof, Det=7, MH=Reserved
Count 43. Amb=5-18, Prof=20-20
Grade B-

Unfortunately Fairly Professional and Outspoken, Media Friendly is a rare combo, so the above is based on just 11 examples and might need to be treated with some caution.

While on this topic (and sorry for derailing the thread, I will stop after this post)- if anyone knows of any research undertaken on the importance of different hidden and visible attributes on player development I would be interested to see it.  I haven't managed to find much on the SI forum or other sites, and it does seem that things changed a couple of years ago when they revamped the youth development bits, so some might need to be revisited.

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Season Review 2032/33

Our best season by far!

Scoring goals for fun (conceding loads still). A nice 9-1 demolition of Hednesford during the season.

Two strikers Mrdja and Awoniyi scored 105 between them!

Just my luck that Mrdja gets injured just before playoffs and lose 2-1 to Glouchester

Youth intake looks very poor

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Season Review 2033/34

Absolutely gutted Mrdja wouldn't sign a new contract so had to sell to get some money in

Stupidly I didn't ask for a sell on clause and offered him to clubs (had 12 interested) for £1m

Got the £1m (after add ons) from Walsall. Huge blow for us though, as you can see, he was class for VNN and scored 97 in 100 games for us.

Still scored a few goals including a 10-1 win over Eversham

Sneaked into play offs again, into 7th

Score a 92nd minute equalizer to take Kidderminster into extra time

Then score twice in extra time to go 4-2 up. Disgracefully then concede FIVE goals in 10 mins to lose 7-4

Used the Mrdja money to improve Junior Coaching and Youth Recruitment

Youth intake absoutely embarassingly bad, WIll give HOYD one more year and will replace if doesn't get any better. It been bad for a few years now!

 

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I've just been having a read through the changelist for the 21.2 update and it mentions that improvements have been made to the number of regens produced by teams in non-active leagues, which suggests it still wasn't right until yesterday..

I spent all day yesterday setting up my new PC, transferred my RC Gent save over and fired it up this morning and it doesn't seem to want to load. I'm loathe to start a new save when I was finally settled but i've not played any FM for almost 48 hours now and the urge to play is driving me crazy..

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13 hours ago, Andrew James said:

The latest update contains a fix for the lack of newgens generating in inactive leagues, as well as further tweaks to intake and retirement numbers.

The changes are save game compatible and hopefully you will now see a much more consistent spread of youth intakes generating at top clubs across the world in every season.

The average youth intake size for a top active club is 5-8 players, and it can often be less than this for clubs with less established academies. If a team has virtual (greyed out) players in a youth side, this does not necessarily mean they aren’t generating enough youth players. For example, if a team doesn’t buy enough, or loans out too many U23 players, they will then need to promote some players from u18s as the more senior squad takes priority.

Unfortunately, we are aware of some cases where total player count may still decrease in certain instances. We believe the root of this is a high number of low ability free agents retiring after not being picked up by low reputation clubs.

Custom db setups with all players based in certain areas loaded are more prone to this, as they include an unsustainably high number of free agents at game start.

Player count is different for every game and will always fluctuate throughout a save, as well as throughout a season, depending on what stage of the various retirement / intake cycles you’re at.

We’re working on ways to try and keep these numbers more balanced across the board, if you have any examples of players retiring who shouldn’t be, please start a new post in the bugs forum with relevant save game files.

Thank you.

FYI

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1 hour ago, Diego D10S said:

Anyone seen any changes on the age of players in youth intake ?

Doesnt have to start over do we ?

Just had my first one since updating and can't see anything different in the age, can you?

Lots of 15/16yr olds

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21 minutes ago, Padders said:

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Season Review 2035/36

Finally, after 15 years, won promotion and finished top

We were in the top 2 pretty much all season

Big difference was the better defensive record, only conceding 50 goals.

Love the ceremony when winning the league (few screenshots below)

Youth intake slightly better.

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I swear I get more joy out of your successes than I do out of my own.  :D

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2 hours ago, Diego D10S said:

Anyone seen any changes on the age of players in youth intake ?

Doesnt have to start over do we ?

It's save game compatible so won't have to start over but could take a couple of intakes to right itself is all.

 

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For the last season and a half, I've been working on building a formation around a "center block" and push the opposition out wide.  The goal is try to make the offense pass the ball where I want them to pass the ball and hit on the counter.  I had a goal, last night, which shows this perfectly.

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Here we are springing the trap.  The left back is isolated with the ball and under pressure by the ball-winning midfielder on the right side who has a cut off the short outlet as well.  The right wing and right back have bracketed the second option to the left winger.  The ball-winning midfielder on the left side and defensive midfielder have the pass to the center midfielder cut off.  The center forward is blocking the passing line to the center back.  The opposition left back is left with two options: 1) a "dump and chase" behind the defensive line and 2) a long diagonal ball to Liddle.  He chose option 2.  Let's see what happens.

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Left winger Jonathan Sundberg 26B came over and picked off the pass which has started a 2 v 1 situation with the center forward bearing down on the center back who has been left on an island by himself.

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Sundberg 26B plays the perfect through ball to Mike Neiland 23B who has a breakaway on goal.  Neiland 23B rounded the keeper who rushed out and was left with a tap-in goal that was the only goal of the game.

 

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First attempt of this challenge in FM21, think it's also my first time in Italy. Meet the new manager of Taranto FC, Giovanni Bova:

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Seems a decent side to start with, having good training & adequate youth facilities. First task for me as a manager is getting rid of some of our players, as the current roster counts 48 people... The perks of trying this in Italy compared to England :D 

 

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Hello again. I have been working away from home, so I have ten seasons worth of updates to post :-(

 

A quick question. I am in Iceland and have just qualified for the knockout stages of the Europa League for the first time. The pre-season start date was delayed, as we was still in Europe. They have just gone on holiday and their return date is the 19th March, with no way to change it. The Europa knockout is the 8th and 15th March. I am going to have no team!!!! This happened once before, but it was the Icelandic League cup that I had to sacrifice. Is there anything I can do to change the end of pre-season date??

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23 minutes ago, Shankly84 said:

Hello again. I have been working away from home, so I have ten seasons worth of updates to post :-(

 

A quick question. I am in Iceland and have just qualified for the knockout stages of the Europa League for the first time. The pre-season start date was delayed, as we was still in Europe. They have just gone on holiday and their return date is the 19th March, with no way to change it. The Europa knockout is the 8th and 15th March. I am going to have no team!!!! This happened once before, but it was the Icelandic League cup that I had to sacrifice. Is there anything I can do to change the end of pre-season date??

I have just checked in the bugs forum and there are a few people with this issue. So as things stand, this challenge is impossible in Iceland unless we can get through a 2 legged European tie using grey players. I am so frustrated. I am 24 seasons in and finally we are dominating Iceland. It was time to start kicking on in Europe!!

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4 minutes ago, Shankly84 said:

I have just checked in the bugs forum and there are a few people with this issue. So as things stand, this challenge is impossible in Iceland unless we can get through a 2 legged European tie using grey players. I am so frustrated. I am 24 seasons in and finally we are dominating Iceland. It was time to start kicking on in Europe!!

Wow that really sucks! Especially after 24 seasons!!

Thats why i want to start as a Liechtenstein team but really need to know the details first before I really get in to it.

I have athread here:

 

If anyone can help me, it would be appreciated. Hope Iceland can get fixed somehow and you can continue.

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22 minutes ago, Shankly84 said:

I have just checked in the bugs forum and there are a few people with this issue. So as things stand, this challenge is impossible in Iceland unless we can get through a 2 legged European tie using grey players. I am so frustrated. I am 24 seasons in and finally we are dominating Iceland. It was time to start kicking on in Europe!!

Quick update on this. The players have returned earlier than it stated. I played one league cup game with a team full of greys and won 4-0 :-)

Now for Benfica!!!

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Ok, I think I found the right club for me.

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Berwick in an english club playing in the scottish league pyramid.

They produce english newgens.

Already got 4 newgens with great combinations.

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Season Review 2036/37

Not a bad season, first year in VNL but we were 4th at Christmas

As post above, the fatigue levels were ridiculous and plagued pretty much the whole second half of the season

The run in the FA Cup and FA Trophy didn't help

FA Cup lost to West Brom (Championship) in the 3rd round

The money helped and had £500k in the bank which allowed the board  to improve facilitates when asked

One of my best players Tony Hamiliton wouldn't sign a new contract. I didn't offer to clubs until January and had £!m bid from Coventry but he accepted Falkirk on a free. Big error on my part as lost out on £1m

New HOYD appointed after the last few years awful intakes, Intake looks ok 

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