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For season 2020/21 the Irish Cup (ID: 310026) Only 32 teams will compete for this season's 2020-21 Irish Cup because of the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic, the Irish FA has announced.

 

The competition will get underway on 9 January 2021 and involve the 24 clubs from the Premiership and Championship.

The 2019-20 Intermediate Cup semi-finalists and the next four teams in the league pyramid will also compete.

Those final four places will be awarded to the teams ranked highest in last season's league pyramid based on points per game.

 

It also said it hoped to return to the traditional cup format in the 2021-22 season.

The traditional format sees intermediate sides compete in four rounds before being joined by the 24 senior clubs in the last 32 (fifth round).

The list of this season's participants is as follows: via The Belfast Telegraph Irish Cup limited to 32 teams for 20/21 season due to impact of Covid-19 pandemic

Linfield, Coleraine, Crusaders, Cliftonville, Glentoran, Larne, Glenavon, Carrick Rangers, Dungannon Swifts, Ballymena United, Warrenpoint Town, Portadown, Institute, Ballinamallard United, Loughgall, Ards, Newry City, Dundela, Ballyclare Comrades, H&W Welders, Queen's University, Dergview, Knockbreda, Annagh United, Dollingstown, Newington, St James' Swifts, Belfast Celtic, PSNI, Portstewart, Bangor, Banbridge Town.

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23 minutes ago, Bannside of Killowen said:

For season 2020/21 the Irish Cup (ID: 310026) Only 32 teams will compete for this season's 2020-21 Irish Cup because of the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic, the Irish FA has announced.

 

The competition will get underway on 9 January 2021 and involve the 24 clubs from the Premiership and Championship.

The 2019-20 Intermediate Cup semi-finalists and the next four teams in the league pyramid will also compete.

Those final four places will be awarded to the teams ranked highest in last season's league pyramid based on points per game.

 

It also said it hoped to return to the traditional cup format in the 2021-22 season.

The traditional format sees intermediate sides compete in four rounds before being joined by the 24 senior clubs in the last 32 (fifth round).

The list of this season's participants is as follows: via The Belfast Telegraph Irish Cup limited to 32 teams for 20/21 season due to impact of Covid-19 pandemic

Linfield, Coleraine, Crusaders, Cliftonville, Glentoran, Larne, Glenavon, Carrick Rangers, Dungannon Swifts, Ballymena United, Warrenpoint Town, Portadown, Institute, Ballinamallard United, Loughgall, Ards, Newry City, Dundela, Ballyclare Comrades, H&W Welders, Queen's University, Dergview, Knockbreda, Annagh United, Dollingstown, Newington, St James' Swifts, Belfast Celtic, PSNI, Portstewart, Bangor, Banbridge Town.

I'm not sure if we are coding one off competition changes but will get some clarification on this. 

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On 10/11/2020 at 23:58, Bannside of Killowen said:

Summary:  Set up new game with Coleraine with the earliest possible start date.

Description of Issue: Unable to play in European Comp due to start date 

Steps to Reproduce: Load Coleraine FC, Glentoran & Linfield 

Files Uploaded to the OwnCloud:  Rebecca Carson - Coleraine - Euro - Beta

Is there any update?

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21 minutes ago, Bannside of Killowen said:

Is there any update?

I'm afraid this is unavoidable due to the start date of the league and the Covid-19 situation.  We can't offer such a unique start date, so inevitably if you choose a team in the early stages of European competition the matches will be simulated when starting the game.  This is the same for some other nations too.  As the next poster points out, you can get around this by including another nation and selecting their early start date, if you so wish.  Thanks.

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10 minutes ago, Bannside of Killowen said:

26th of December is Derby Day in the Danske Bank Premiership 

Same Fixture or Day every year except Sunday and if there's a Relegation.

Ballymena Utd v Coleraine 

Crusaders v Cliftonville 

Glenavon v Portadown 

Glentoran v Linfield

Larne v Carrick Rangers 

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While this would be a nice feature to have, the league is not licensed so we do not feature the real fixtures.

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59 minutes ago, paulmctevez said:

Hi @David Siddall, what are your thoughts on this?

Thanks
Paul

Hi, I previously hid this because it is a database issue not relevant to this thread.  David SIddall is part of the database team.  Please post this on the database & research forum.  Thanks

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On 12/11/2020 at 11:29, Dan Ormsby said:

While this would be a nice feature to have, the league is not licensed so we do not feature the real fixtures.

This is an extremely poor decision.  Massive fixture in the league everyone looks forward to  ''Boxing Day''  its Derby day you play your local rivals.  It saves people travelling so far on Christmas and is by far the biggest attendance of the season.  Please reconsider this one and only decision the rest of the league can be random but this fixture NEEDS to be Derby day across the whole league!

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15 hours ago, Komodo said:

This is an extremely poor decision.  Massive fixture in the league everyone looks forward to  ''Boxing Day''  its Derby day you play your local rivals.  It saves people travelling so far on Christmas and is by far the biggest attendance of the season.  Please reconsider this one and only decision the rest of the league can be random but this fixture NEEDS to be Derby day across the whole league!

I've been to many boxing Day Derby and saw ones on TV some of the fixtures get the same turn out as a lower end of the English Championship while the rest of the season its like National League North/South 

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On 16/11/2020 at 18:53, Komodo said:

This is an extremely poor decision.  Massive fixture in the league everyone looks forward to  ''Boxing Day''  its Derby day you play your local rivals.  It saves people travelling so far on Christmas and is by far the biggest attendance of the season.  Please reconsider this one and only decision the rest of the league can be random but this fixture NEEDS to be Derby day across the whole league!

I don't think its an extremely poor decision. It would be nice to have, but definitely not something that is massively needed

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On 18/11/2020 at 16:55, Stobart13 said:

I don't think its an extremely poor decision. It would be nice to have, but definitely not something that is massively needed

you clearly don't follow the NIFL.  ask any fan what the biggest fixture is.

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37 minutes ago, Komodo said:

you clearly don't follow the NIFL.  ask any fan what the biggest fixture is.

I do follow the league and I understand its the biggest fixture, but its not a huge issue in regards to the game, thats what I meant

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On 18/12/2020 at 17:46, paulmctevez said:

Just checking if a fix was ever found for Glenavon kit issue? shorts should be white not blue

Hi there, this isn't an issue for here, you'd need to ask in the Northern Ireland thread in the database & research forum.

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On 02/01/2021 at 15:36, birkelse said:

This looks a little wild, I think. That may be true, but it's a lot of money, compared to the other teams -

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Hello, this isn't something for us in this area of the forum.  If this is first year, then this will be for the database & research guys.  If this happens during regular gameplay in a future season then it would be for the gameplay guys in the All Other Gameplay forum.  Thanks.

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On 08/02/2021 at 16:13, ryzo_11 said:

Playing my 2nd season in the NI 3rd tier and I’ve yet to have a league game and it’s December. Is there any way to fix this?

 

@Dan Ormsby

Can you provide us a save game with this issue present and (ideally) a save game from before the issue occurred?  Cheers.

https://support.sega.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360015264418-How-to-upload-files-for-support#text

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I  just find out that i won SPFL trust  4 times in a row.  When is the game playes ?  I dont played these games, and is not on scheduel list  .  Here is  2 screens .

 

Fixtures.JPG

SPFL winners.JPG

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On 04/03/2021 at 09:59, birkelse said:

I  just find out that i won SPFL trust  4 times in a row.  When is the game playes ?  I dont played these games, and is not on scheduel list  .  Here is  2 screens .

 

Fixtures.JPG

SPFL winners.JPG

Can you check your reserve team fixtures and see if they are being entered into this competition?  Also could you provide us with a save game?  Thanks.  https://support.sega.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360015264418-How-to-upload-files-for-support

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On 12/11/2020 at 11:18, Bannside of Killowen said:

26th of December is Derby Day in the Danske Bank Premiership 

Same Fixture or Day every year except Sunday and if there's a Relegation.

Ballymena Utd v Coleraine 

Crusaders v Cliftonville 

Glenavon v Portadown 

Glentoran v Linfield

Larne v Carrick Rangers 

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Hello, we are looking at the possibility of introducing this for the next FM.  Can we have some more information? 

- What happens if Boxing Day is a Sunday, when does this round of fixtures take place?

- When a team is relegated, does whichever team comes up take the relegated team's place, even if it is the other side of the country?  Or is there a re-jig of the "derbies" at all?

- Is it random who the home team is each season?

Please feel free to respond to this if you know the answer, even if you are not the original poster!  Thanks :)

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On 28/04/2021 at 16:44, Dan Ormsby said:

Hello, we are looking at the possibility of introducing this for the next FM.  Can we have some more information? 

- What happens if Boxing Day is a Sunday, when does this round of fixtures take place?

- When a team is relegated, does whichever team comes up take the relegated team's place, even if it is the other side of the country?  Or is there a re-jig of the "derbies" at all?

- Is it random who the home team is each season?

Please feel free to respond to this if you know the answer, even if you are not the original poster!  Thanks :)

Boxing Day if on a Sunday will be moved to the Monday.

As for the fixture they still go ahead

It works Home and Away.

As for Steel & Sons (416327) is played at Seaview (1300839) on Xmas Day morning except Sunday, then its moved to Xmas Eve.

 

On a footnote Coleraine F.C will be installing a new playing surface Synthetic (New Type - Soft) This June. Proof Coleraine to go 4G Coleraine F.C Regeneration Plans

 

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On 30/04/2021 at 18:58, Bannside of Killowen said:

Boxing Day if on a Sunday will be moved to the Monday.

As for the fixture they still go ahead

It works Home and Away.

As for Steel & Sons (416327) is played at Seaview (1300839) on Xmas Day morning except Sunday, then its moved to Xmas Eve.

 

On a footnote Coleraine F.C will be installing a new playing surface Synthetic (New Type - Soft) This June. Proof Coleraine to go 4G Coleraine F.C Regeneration Plans

 

Thanks for the info here, but I'm still unclear on everything I asked about apart from the Sunday fixture getting moved to the Monday.

When you say "Steel & Sons on Xmas Day morning except Sunday when it moves to Xmas Eve" - our game mechanics won't allow matches to be played with a one day gap, let alone on consecutive days, so can you explain exactly what you mean here?  In real life do clubs really have fixtures on consecutive days most seasons?  If not, then which fixture gets moved?

Can you answer the above questions and the following questions?  If not don't worry, but just say you aren't sure.

- When a team is relegated, does whichever team comes up take the relegated team's place, even if it is the other side of the country?  Or is there a re-jig of the "derbies" at all?  For instance - say in a hypothetical situation a few years down the line half the teams from the original derbies have been relegated - how would the new "derby day" look?  Would it be re-sorted so that teams nearest to each other play each other, or if not, what would happen?  At the moment the only option seems like setting the derbies from the official fixture list from the first season, then attempting to play those five derbies each season where it is possible, with all other fixtures (taking into account relegations and promotions) being random.

- Is it random who the home team is each season?  So for instance could Linfield play this fixture three seasons in a row at home?  Or would they always alternate home and away each season?

If we're going to set this, we need to make sure we consider everything before we set it.  Thanks!

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When you say "Steel & Sons on Xmas Day morning except Sunday when it moves to Xmas Eve" - our game mechanics won't allow matches to be played with a one day gap, let alone on consecutive days, so can you explain exactly what you mean here?  In real life do clubs really have fixtures on consecutive days most seasons?  If not, then which fixture gets moved.

If  Xmas Day is Saturday 25/12/2010 it took place  the following year 25/12/2011 it was on the Saturday due to the 25th being a Sunday 

When a team is relegated, does whichever team comes up take the relegated team's place, even if it is the other side of the country?  Or is there a re-jig of the "derbies" at all?  For instance - say in a hypothetical situation a few years down the line half the teams from the original derbies have been relegated - how would the new "derby day" look?  Would it be re-sorted so that teams nearest to each other play each other, or if not, what would happen?  At the moment the only option seems like setting the derbies from the official fixture list from the first season, then attempting to play those five derbies each season where it is possible, with all other fixtures (taking into account relegations and promotions) being random.

It all depends on who is promoted take this season Portadown was promoted there Derby Day fixture Glenavon. But if it was not Institute that got relegated the previous season let's say it was one of the Big Two (Linfield or Glentoran) Portadown who still play Glenavon.  So in result it depends on who got relegated the previous season and who got promoted 

Is it random who the home team is each season?  So for instance could Linfield play this fixture three seasons in a row at home?  Or would they always alternate home and away each season? It would work Season 1 home season 2 Away season 3 Home etc. 

Hopefully thats cleared up some loose ends 

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On 04/05/2021 at 07:19, Dan Ormsby said:

-our game mechanics won't allow matches to be played with a one day gap, let alone on consecutive days

I'm sorry to slightly sidetrack this discussion, but that's absolutely not true.  Maybe the intention was to design it that way, but in reality, I know of nobody who's ever done a save over a few years where that didn't happen.  It's so common, it's a reddit meme:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=congestion+site%3Awww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Ffootballmanagergames%2F

I'm relatively new to FM, having only played since FM20, but I've never had a save where there was not games with a one day or no day in between matches.   I've played about 15 long-term saves over the two FMs (FM20 & FM21).  I am active on several FM discord channels, and anecdotally 99% of players say that always happens if you go far in cups, you play lower leagues, or if you are in the MLS.   Heck, in the MLS, 8 or 9 games in two weeks happens all of the time.   I've literally seen hundreds of posts and jokes about it over the last 2 years.  It's not league specific, either, as I've done 5 or 6 journeyman saves, and it happens everywhere in the world (although certain leagues tend to be worse than others).

I know this is not the forum for this issue, but there's no need to report it again, as it's been mentioned many many times here already:

https://www.google.com/search?q=congestion+site%3Acommunity.sigames.com

If you just play a save in FM and it spans over a few years, you would know this happens.  If you participate in the larger FM community (reddit, discord, fmbase, fmscout, sortousi, ect.), there's no way you wouldn't know.  I was extremely surprised to see you say the game mechanics won't allow it.  That doesn't appear to be the case, and just a cursory search shows this goes back years. 

(sorry for all of the double negatives!)

 

(on edit)....after a little more searching, it appears that the mechanics allow it:

 

 

 

 

 

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On 06/05/2021 at 23:01, TroubleMan said:

I'm sorry to slightly sidetrack this discussion, but that's absolutely not true.  Maybe the intention was to design it that way, but in reality, I know of nobody who's ever done a save over a few years where that didn't happen.  It's so common, it's a reddit meme:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=congestion+site%3Awww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Ffootballmanagergames%2F

I'm relatively new to FM, having only played since FM20, but I've never had a save where there was not games with a one day or no day in between matches.   I've played about 15 long-term saves over the two FMs (FM20 & FM21).  I am active on several FM discord channels, and anecdotally 99% of players say that always happens if you go far in cups, you play lower leagues, or if you are in the MLS.   Heck, in the MLS, 8 or 9 games in two weeks happens all of the time.   I've literally seen hundreds of posts and jokes about it over the last 2 years.  It's not league specific, either, as I've done 5 or 6 journeyman saves, and it happens everywhere in the world (although certain leagues tend to be worse than others).

I know this is not the forum for this issue, but there's no need to report it again, as it's been mentioned many many times here already:

https://www.google.com/search?q=congestion+site%3Acommunity.sigames.com

If you just play a save in FM and it spans over a few years, you would know this happens.  If you participate in the larger FM community (reddit, discord, fmbase, fmscout, sortousi, ect.), there's no way you wouldn't know.  I was extremely surprised to see you say the game mechanics won't allow it.  That doesn't appear to be the case, and just a cursory search shows this goes back years. 

(sorry for all of the double negatives!)

 

(on edit)....after a little more searching, it appears that the mechanics allow it:

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but this is an irrelevant rant that isn't for a league specific forum or even bug specific area of the forum.  Yes of course there are some situations with fixture congestion in rare situations - much rarer than "99% of users" as you say - where there has to be multiple fixtures played in a short space of time in FM.  We've seen that this week in real life with Man Utd.  

What I meant was, in situations where there isn't an essential need to squeeze fixtures in, the game won't allow situations of two games in two or three days, the code will attempt to move the fixtures.  There would also be issues with our AI team selection and conditioning - though this would be for a different area of the forum if we needed to make changes here.

So what I was trying to ascertain was whether in Northern Ireland there are deliberately fixtures on consecutive days - which to be honest I'm still not clear on!  If anyone could answer this then please do.  It seems to have been suggested above there is a Steel & Sons cup game on Christmas Day and a league derby on Boxing Day, though perhaps I have misunderstood.

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On 10/05/2021 at 10:58, Dan Ormsby said:

Sorry, but this is an irrelevant rant that isn't for a league specific forum or even bug specific area of the forum.  Yes of course there are some situations with fixture congestion in rare situations - much rarer than "99% of users" as you say - where there has to be multiple fixtures played in a short space of time in FM.  We've seen that this week in real life with Man Utd.  

What I meant was, in situations where there isn't an essential need to squeeze fixtures in, the game won't allow situations of two games in two or three days, the code will attempt to move the fixtures.  There would also be issues with our AI team selection and conditioning - though this would be for a different area of the forum if we needed to make changes here.

So what I was trying to ascertain was whether in Northern Ireland there are deliberately fixtures on consecutive days - which to be honest I'm still not clear on!  If anyone could answer this then please do.  It seems to have been suggested above there is a Steel & Sons cup game on Christmas Day and a league derby on Boxing Day, though perhaps I have misunderstood.

The teams competing in the Steel and Sons Cup are not top flight teams, so the top division derby days would not impact upon it.

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