[Italy] (Official) League Specific Issues

[Freddie Sands]

Please post any specific issues for Italy competitions here. This is for any issue which does not relate to data and is for areas such as:

- Competition Rules (Leagues and Cups)
- Disciplinary Rules
- Transfer Rules

We would request you all to adhere to the following three point plan when posting in here:

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.
- State how you think it should be working.
- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

Please note that specific data issues for Italy should be posted in the Database and Research Issues forum.

[vito]

Serie C: regole registrazione

1.1 Le società, indipendentemente dal numero dei calciatori rispettivamente tesserati, nelle gare ufficiali di Campionato possono utilizzare la “lista calciatori temporanei” (per brevità, infra: “Lista”), il cui modello è allegato al presente Comunicato, nella quale potranno essere inseriti sino ad un massimo complessivo di n. 8 calciatori il cui tesseramento sia a titolo di cessione o trasferimento temporaneo da società di Serie A e B o da Federazione estera.

1.2 La presentazione di lista non conforme alle disposizioni di cui al par. 1.1 verrà, a tutti gli effetti, considerata come “mancato deposito” e darà luogo all’irrogazione delle sanzioni previste al successivo art. 2.

Art. 1 bis Lista Calciatori professionisti

1bis.1 Le società, indipendentemente dal numero dei calciatori rispettivamente tesserati, nelle gare ufficiali di Campionato dovranno utilizzare quelli presenti nella “lista calciatori professionisti”, il cui modello è allegato al presente Comunicato, nella quale potranno essere inseriti sino ad un massimo complessivo di n. 22 calciatori il cui status sia quello di calciatore professionista ex art. 28 NOIF.

1bis.2 Le società potranno indicare un solo calciatore professionista (cd “giovane professionista”) nato successivamente al 1 gennaio 2001, da poter utilizzare nelle gare ufficiali di Campionato, senza che lo stesso venga inserito tra i 22 calciatori di cui al punto 1 bis.1.

1bis.3 Qualora, nel corso della stagione sportiva 2020/2021, una società sottoscriva “primi contratti di calciatori professionisti” (ex art. 33 NOIF) con propri tesserati già giovani di serie, questi ultimi potranno essere utilizzati nelle gare ufficiali di Campionato, senza che vengano
inseriti tra i 22 calciatori di cui al punto 1 bis.1.

1.bis.4 Le società che, alla data di pubblicazione del presente comunicato, abbiano già depositato contratti con calciatori professionisti, per la stagione 2020/2021, in numero superiore al limite previsto al punto 1bis.1, potranno, in deroga ed esclusivamente per tale stagione, inserire nella lista calciatori professionisti tutti i calciatori di cui ai predetti contratti già depositati. Resta inteso che, nell’ipotesi di inserimento in tale lista di nuovi calciatori
professionisti con contratto depositato in data successiva alla pubblicazione del presente comunicato, la società non potrà usufruire della deroga e troverà applicazione la limitazione numerica di cui al punto 1bis.1.

1bis.5 La presentazione di lista calciatori professionisti non conforme alle disposizioni di cui al presente paragrafo 1bis verrà, a tutti gli effetti, considerata come “mancato deposito” e darà luogo all’irrogazione delle sanzioni previste al successivo art. 2. 

Serie C rules: 

no more 8 loans  by Serie A, Serie B, foreigner competions.

No more 22 players with professional contract plus 1 only young player born after 1st january 2001 with professional contract (players with young contract that become professional during the season can be registrated).

Teams that have registered more than 22 players with professional contract before 20 july 2020 can register this players only for 2020/2021 season

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by vito
explanation

[vito]

Serie C: regole registrazione

Per quanto riguarda la composizione della rosa, la Juventus U23 potrà inserire nella distinta di gara fino a 23 calciatori. Nella distinta di gara potranno essere inseriti soltanto 4 calciatori nati prima del 1° gennaio 1998 ed a condizione che questi non siano ricompresi nell’elenco dei 25 calciatori per il Campionato di Serie A e non abbiano disputato più di 50 gare nel Campionato di Serie A. Tutti gli altri calciatori della distinta di gara dovranno essere nati dopo il 31 dicembre 1997 e dovranno essere stati tesserati in una società di calcio affiliata alla FIGC per almeno sette stagioni sportive.

for Juventus under 23(Zebre Under 23):

Match day registration: no more 4 players born before 1st january 1998 and not included in 25 list for serie A and they played no more 50 matches in serie A. All other players for match day must be born after 31 december 1997 and they must have been registered for Italian federation affiliate teams for at least 7 seasons.

Competition registration. no more 23 players

Edited November 12, 2020 by vito

[vito]

• Coppa Italia:
• qualificate dalla serie D: Ambrosiana, Latte Dolce, Casarano, Gelbison, Trastevere, Tritium. Pineto, Notaresco e Breno.
• NON Picerno, Campodarsego, Arzignano, Pianese, Siena, Rimini, Rieti, Gozzano e Rende

Edited November 11, 2020 by vito

[Marbah]

are 5 subs implemented in Seria A games?

[Dan Ormsby]

25 minutes ago, Marbah said:

are 5 subs implemented in Seria A games?

Yes they should be.

[Marbah]

1 hour ago, Dan Ormsby said:

Yes they should be.

I'm asking because whenever I try to make the 5th one i get this

 

[Dan Ormsby]

1 minute ago, Marbah said:

I'm asking because whenever I try to make the 5th one i get this

 

It's five subs at three stoppages (not including half time).  So if you make one sub in the 60th minute, then make one sub more in the 70th minute, you will have to bring the remaining three subs at the same time.

[Marbah]

4 minutes ago, Dan Ormsby said:

It's five subs at three stoppages (not including half time).  So if you make one sub in the 60th minute, then make one sub more in the 70th minute, you will have to bring the remaining three subs at the same time.

oh you are right, ok I totally forgot about that part. 

I tend to do the changes from the lower part of the screen, and sometimes they go through before I have a chance to make another change.

thank you for the replies

[ParanoidBuddha]

Hi, I still don't have the game then I can't check all players but I have seen that for example Vidal net wage is 5.6 Mio € / 9.8 Mio €(gross). Why the Decreto crescita isn't applied to him? What am I missing?

Thank you in advance

[Andrea_CT]

Al Catania (Serie C/C) sono stati restituiti 2 punti di penalizzazione. Dovrebbe partire quindi da -2, non -4.

[Marbah]

On 11/11/2020 at 17:29, Dan Ormsby said:

It's five subs at three stoppages (not including half time).  So if you make one sub in the 60th minute, then make one sub more in the 70th minute, you will have to bring the remaining three subs at the same time.

hi there, again  

i've just started season two, and noticed that only 3 subs are allowed now.

since this is a game, could we maybe get the option to vote and keep the 5subs rule?

[Marados]

In the Serie A, in the first half of the season i.e. the first 19 games, I have two league games against Inter, but none against Lazio. In the second half of the season it's the other way around, two games against Lazio.

[Dan Ormsby]

On 11/11/2020 at 21:28, ParanoidBuddha said:

Hi, I still don't have the game then I can't check all players but I have seen that for example Vidal net wage is 5.6 Mio € / 9.8 Mio €(gross). Why the Decreto crescita isn't applied to him? What am I missing?

Thank you in advance

I don't understand what you mean here I'm afraid...

[Dan Ormsby]

On 12/11/2020 at 11:04, Andrea_CT said:

Al Catania (Serie C/C) sono stati restituiti 2 punti di penalizzazione. Dovrebbe partire quindi da -2, non -4.

Can one of the research team confirm this, or can you provide evidence please?

[Dan Ormsby]

3 minutes ago, Marbah said:

hi there, again  

i've just started season two, and noticed that only 3 subs are allowed now.

since this is a game, could we maybe get the option to vote and keep the 5subs rule?

This won't be possible I'm afraid.  We are assuming that the subs rules will return to normal for the 2021-22 seasons for all nations unless explicitly told by the individual research teams that the new sub rules will be remaining permanently.

[Dan Ormsby]

3 minutes ago, Marados said:

In the Serie A, in the first half of the season i.e. the first 19 games, I have two league games against Inter, but none against Lazio. In the second half of the season it's the other way around, two games against Lazio.

This is a widespread issue that is known about and is affecting many nations.  We are working on a fix for the full release.

[vito]

On 12/11/2020 at 12:04, Andrea_CT said:

Al Catania (Serie C / C) sono stati restituiti 2 punti di penalizzazione. Dovrebbe partire quindi da -2, non -4.

sì è vero, riduzione penalità -2

[olmo21]

Coppa Italia(Italy Cup) Issue

Coppa Italia  this season provides 5 subs per game but I've noticed that this couldn't be done in Cup games, even if you try to make the subs in 3 stoppages. 

[JaapY]

I can't get through this message. If I click on the respond, only the squad will come to me and there is no possibility to send the list anywhere. Any suggestions?

[Dan Ormsby]

18 minutes ago, JaapY said:

I can't get through this message. If I click on the respond, only the squad will come to me and there is no possibility to send the list anywhere. Any suggestions?

This is a known issue that we are working on a fix for full release.  For now, to bypass it you will need to go on holiday for a day.  Not ideal, but is the only way for the moment.  Thanks.

[JaapY]

22 minutes ago, Dan Ormsby said:

This is a known issue that we are working on a fix for full release.  For now, to bypass it you will need to go on holiday for a day.  Not ideal, but is the only way for the moment.  Thanks.

Perfect, Thank you! 

[ParanoidBuddha]

5 ore fa, Dan Ormsby ha scritto:

I don't understand what you mean here I'm afraid...

Is the Decreto Crescita in the game? 

If yes, why is it not applied to Vidal? For example check the difference between taxes in Vidal and Lukaku salaries (Lukaku's one is right)

[savio7794]

Another issue about zebre U23. In my season the team Zebre U23 won the Serie C (third league of italy) and it was qualified for Super Cup of C. the issue is that i must to play again Perugia team, with Zebre's first team. Moreover, for second time in the season, there are three matchs on five days.

[WilsonJuve]

What is the reason we can't just manage Zebre u23 without managing the first team? In every other league its possible e.g Barcelona B, Porto B, Bayern II. As a Juventus fan I want to start with the B team and work my way up to the main job when Pirlo leaves or is sacked.

[ilvento71]

 

Hi, in the TIM Cup it is not possible to make the 5 substitutions.

I made three substitutions all at once but then he made me make the fourth only in extra time, as per the old rules.

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by ilvento71

[gespo14]

Hi,

the latest edition of the Italian Cup is not displayed in the roll of honor, the reigning champions are Napoli, not Lazio

[Bakiano]

Don't know is this the right topic to write, but my first team squad is playing in a third league super mini cup instead of U23 team.

[Dan Ormsby]

On 14/11/2020 at 14:52, WilsonJuve said:

What is the reason we can't just manage Zebre u23 without managing the first team? In every other league its possible e.g Barcelona B, Porto B, Bayern II. As a Juventus fan I want to start with the B team and work my way up to the main job when Pirlo leaves or is sacked.

This is currently not possible within the existing game mechanics as U23 teams are different to B teams.  

[Stephen Glennon]

10 hours ago, Bakiano said:

Don't know is this the right topic to write, but my first team squad is playing in a third league super mini cup instead of U23 team.

Could you upload a save game so we can investigate this further? Thanks.

Here's how: 

 

[Stephen Glennon]

On 14/11/2020 at 10:05, savio7794 said:

Another issue about zebre U23. In my season the team Zebre U23 won the Serie C (third league of italy) and it was qualified for Super Cup of C. the issue is that i must to play again Perugia team, with Zebre's first team. Moreover, for second time in the season, there are three matchs on five days.

Could you upload a save game so we can investigate this further? Thanks. 
Here's how:  

 

[Bakiano]

38 minutes ago, Stephen Glennon said:

Could you upload a save game so we can investigate this further? Thanks.

Here's how: 

 

Yes, I can but when I get home today.

[Stephen Glennon]

3 hours ago, Bakiano said:

Yes, I can but when I get home today.

Thanks @Bakiano, I'm managed to reproduce this internally so you don't need to upload your save. We're investigating this issue now.

[Stephen Glennon]

On 13/11/2020 at 11:43, vito said:

sì è vero, riduzione penalità -2

OK, I've logged this one, thanks for reporting.

[Bakiano]

1 hour ago, Stephen Glennon said:

Thanks @Bakiano, I'm managed to reproduce this internally so you don't need to upload your save. We're investigating this issue now.

Okay, great. 

 

Cheers!

[Stephen Glennon]

On 11/11/2020 at 13:36, vito said:

• Coppa Italia:
• qualificate dalla serie D: Ambrosiana, Latte Dolce, Casarano, Gelbison, Trastevere, Tritium. Pineto, Notaresco e Breno.
• NON Picerno, Campodarsego, Arzignano, Pianese, Siena, Rimini, Rieti, Gozzano e Rende

That's logged now, thanks for reporting.

[Dan Ormsby]

42 minutes ago, TeoTimish said:

Not the right forum, please post this in the appropriate gameplay forum.

[Dan Ormsby]

1 hour ago, Bakiano said:

Hello, me again. A minor bug at the end summary, when you click italian cup and super cup, board expectation are showed only from champions league or serie A, it depends where were you before that, as you can see at this images.

 

And of course, this Serie C super cup is there, as earlier reported.

 Don't really understand what you are reporting, but this looks like a gameplay issue, please post about this in the appropriate gameplay forum. Thanks.

[Bakiano]

4 minutes ago, Dan Ormsby said:

 Don't really understand what you are reporting, but this looks like a gameplay issue, please post about this in the appropriate gameplay forum. Thanks.

Board expectations are shown only for Serie A or Champions cup when you click to show for Super cup or Italian cup.

 

[jmgrima]

It is just a question, not a bug really, but will Serie A clubs be able to feature B teams upon request during the save?

Let’s say I am Inter. Will it be possible at any point during the save to make a request for a B-team?

I know last year it happened in other leagues like Hungary and Turkey where I could ask my board for a B-team but it never happened in my Italy save.

[Dan Ormsby]

4 hours ago, jmgrima said:

It is just a question, not a bug really, but will Serie A clubs be able to feature B teams upon request during the save?

Let’s say I am Inter. Will it be possible at any point during the save to make a request for a B-team?

I know last year it happened in other leagues like Hungary and Turkey where I could ask my board for a B-team but it never happened in my Italy save.

You need to enquire about this in the gameplay forum.

[AugustEckstein]

On 14/11/2020 at 05:05, savio7794 said:

Another issue about zebre U23. In my season the team Zebre U23 won the Serie C (third league of italy) and it was qualified for Super Cup of C. the issue is that i must to play again Perugia team, with Zebre's first team. Moreover, for second time in the season, there are three matchs on five days.

Ok this issue also occurs with the Zebre first team if you are not managing them. IE I am Palermo and won Serie C/C but had to play the Juventus first team in the round robin tournament (Italian C Super Cup) The Zebre U23s won the Serie C/A but I had to play Ronaldo in the final. 

 

My file name is "PalerMO"

Edited November 18, 2020 by AugustEckstein

[Dan Ormsby]

8 hours ago, AugustEckstein said:

Ok this issue also occurs with the Zebre first team if you are not managing them. IE I am Palermo and won Serie C/C but had to play the Juventus first team in the round robin tournament (Italian C Super Cup) The Zebre U23s won the Serie C/A but I had to play Ronaldo in the final. 

 

My file name is "PalerMO"

This is a known issue that has been fixed internally already ahead of the full release of the game.  Thanks.

[Icy]

Quick question as i'm not sure if it's a bug.

I'm Palermo in the serie C preseason. I'm signing some free transfer players and some join my team as soon as I sign them and for others it says they will join my team in the next transfer windows, 4th of January.

Why is that if both are young players based in Italy?

Here is a sample of a player already on trial with my team that I want to sign as of September 7th, when the transfer windows is open and he is without a job.

And a sample of another player on trial with me who would join inmediately.

The league rules that do not mention anything about it

 

Edited November 19, 2020 by Icy

[Stephen Glennon]

47 minutes ago, Icy said:

Quick question as i'm not sure if it's a bug.

I'm Palermo in the serie C preseason. I'm signing some free transfer players and some join my team as soon as I sign them and for others it says they will join my team in the next transfer windows, 4th of January.

Why is that if both are young players based in Italy?

Here is a sample of a player already on trial with my team that I want to sign as of September 7th, when the transfer windows is open and he is without a job.

And a sample of another player on trial with me who would join inmediately.

The league rules that do not mention anything about it

 

Would need more info to know for sure. Off the top of my head, there are age restrictions for signing young players so I'd check to see if the date for Sapone to sign also corresponds to his birthday (maybe he needs to be 17, I'm not sure). If you can't find any pattern, upload the game and I'll take a look.

[Icy]

hace 50 minutos, Stephen Glennon dijo:

Would need more info to know for sure. Off the top of my head, there are age restrictions for signing young players so I'd check to see if the date for Sapone to sign also corresponds to his birthday (maybe he needs to be 17, I'm not sure). If you can't find any pattern, upload the game and I'll take a look.

Can't find a pattern trying random players of different ages from the free players list.

About these two examples, Sapone birthdate is 13/4/99 and Zanelatto is 1/2/01

I have uploaded the save as Palermo-2.fm

Edited November 19, 2020 by Icy

[ParanoidBuddha]

Il 13/11/2020 in 18:17 , ParanoidBuddha ha scritto:

Is the Decreto Crescita in the game? 

If yes, why is it not applied to Vidal? For example check the difference between taxes in Vidal and Lukaku salaries (Lukaku's one is right)

 

[Icy]

Here is the answer, signed another player that will also join in the next transfer windows and this is the explanation, but I'm not sure if it's normal, a bug or research data issue as it happens with most of the players with expired contracts and never saw this in earlier FM versions.

 

Edited November 19, 2020 by Icy

[Dan Ormsby]

17 minutes ago, Icy said:

Here is the answer, signed another player that will also join in the next transfer windows and this is the explanation, but I'm not sure if it's normal, a bug or research data issue as it happens with most of the players with expired contracts and never saw this in earlier FM versions.

 

Sorry, I'm not sure what the issue is here.  If you're saying the transfer should not be delayed, then the reason is explained to you - this is a legitimate reason.  Players released by a club after the full transfer window closes cannot be signed until the next full transfer window, even if the free transfer window is open.

[Dan Ormsby]

1 hour ago, ParanoidBuddha said:

 

I think we need one of the Italian research team to answer this.