[England EFL League Two] Data Issues

[Simon Tipple 352]

Please post any data issues related to England's EFL League Two here.

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Please note that any non-data issues for England's EFL League Two should be posted in the appropriate thread within the League Specific Issues forum. This would include issues such as league scheduling, league table sorting rules and match rules.

[Im not Mozzer 29]

Well this is nice. A new season and ANOTHER new league thread for Bolton Wanderers. How exciting!

[sufcdan 9]

As pathetic as my club I support is and after being hammered 6-0 by our locals tonight and I’ve had enough of supporting them  

 

Southend united

head physio says Ben Clarkson, he’s no longer there and went to West Ham’s academy

i believe Amy Rogers who the game currently has as u23 physio has stepped up to first team

[Nez2105 10]

Just a small one, Dylan Mistry is no longer at Oldham Athletic. He currently isn't with a club however he is looking for another role within pro football so worth keeping him in the DB.

 

[Dean Gripton 259]

Thanks for those, sufcdan and Nez. Both updated for the release.

[Timma 86]

Dan Bowry is missing his loan with Bath City in the 19/20 season from Cheltenham. Joined 18/10/19 and stayed until the play-off game on 19/17/20, making 21 league appearances without scoring. https://www.ctfc.com/teams/first-team/defender/dan-bowry/

[davenumber40 9]

Really minor issue but I believe Bolton's physio Catherine Beattie is female. She appears to be listed as male in her bio. 

[harper95 10]

Cracking work as always guys. One minor issue I noticed is Stevenage seem to always have a fake goalkeeper coach added despite a real one being there.

[Im not Mozzer 29]

5 hours ago, davenumber40 said:

Really minor issue but I believe Bolton's physio Catherine Beattie is female. She appears to be listed as male in her bio. 

I can confirm she is indeed female   @Dean Gripton can you check this one for me please? I don't recall whether I had clicked it or not....

[Frostybean 0]

1 hour ago, Im not Mozzer said:

I can confirm she is indeed female   @Dean Gripton can you check this one for me please? I don't recall whether I had clicked it or not....

Amazing that Bolton fans have noticed a physio is the wrong gender but not that Gordon isn't a CB! He is a LB/LWB he's quite average in height and skinny, for evidence watch any Bolton game, he will be giving the ball away in a LWB position.

[Im not Mozzer 29]

1 minute ago, Frostybean said:

Amazing that Bolton fans have noticed a physio is the wrong gender but not that Gordon isn't a CB! He is a LB/LWB he's quite average in height and skinny, for evidence watch any Bolton game, he will be giving the ball away in a LWB position.

I like to take time to watch them for a bit before making big changes. As we signed a ton of players you'll find a lot of them have ratings as handed down by their previous clubs. For example, in-game, Crellin can catch when we know in real life he couldn't catch a cold.

[Frostybean 0]

It's the first time I've commented on the bugs so I don't know if I'm doing it right but this screenshot shows he is a Center Back on the game who isn't even a partial LB/LWB, whereas in reality he isn't a CB he only plays LB/LWB so surely this needs changing? Agree with Crellin though, can't put his stats down yet......

[Im not Mozzer 29]

This comment resonates with me 

I'm grateful for your focus on the team - keep the suggestions coming.

[JamieFMScout 2]

For Mansfield Town - David Sharpe is listed as a Director of Football when he's actually the CEO now and Carolyn Radford is the co-chairwomen.

Edited November 11, 2020 by JamieFMScout

[dysonpaul724 0]

Martin Drury is listed as a Senior Squad coach but is no longer in that role.  He now has some sort of youth development role.

[matthewgaskell9 0]

Small one but Jon Mellish is spelt John and not Jon in game really small issue but just thought id put it on :)

[Dean Gripton 259]

4 hours ago, harper95 said:

Cracking work as always guys. One minor issue I noticed is Stevenage seem to always have a fake goalkeeper coach added despite a real one being there.

To clarify, who should the real one be, please?

[Dean Gripton 259]

1 hour ago, JamieFMScout said:

For Mansfield Town - David Sharpe is listed as a Director of Football when he's actually the CEO now and Carolyn Radford is the co-chairwomen.

We don't have CEO as a job title/position in FM. The game is Football Manager, not Boardroom Manager. Sharpe acts the DoF role, doesn't he?

Also, we don't have co-chairpersons in the game. It's a level of detail and faff that isn't worth the extra cost of making a brand new job for the few instances of it happening in the entire world.

 

[harper95 10]

10 minutes ago, Dean Gripton said:

To clarify, who should the real one be, please?

Luke O'Reilly

[Dean Gripton 259]

1 hour ago, matthewgaskell9 said:

Small one but Jon Mellish is spelt John and not Jon in game really small issue but just thought id put it on

Genuinely big issue actually - disappointed I missed this as I recall noticing it before. Oh well, it's ok for the Release - sorry about that.

[Dean Gripton 259]

1 hour ago, harper95 said:

Luke O'Reilly

He's definitely in the database - spoke to the Stevenage researcher (who also has contacts at the club) about him. Must have been too later for the PRB, will definitely appears in the Release database.

[Alex033 0]

Hi, 

For Scunthorpe United it appears the U23 side has disappeared this year.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2020/october/report-huddersfield-town-u23s-0-4-iron-u23s

 

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/club/club-directory/whos-who/
 

Russ Wilcox is the U23 manager rather than first team coach as stated in the current version of game.

 

Many thanks.

[harper95 10]

8 hours ago, Dean Gripton said:

He's definitely in the database - spoke to the Stevenage researcher (who also has contacts at the club) about him. Must have been too later for the PRB, will definitely appears in the Release database.

Yes he appears but alongside a fake goalkeeper coach (with a regen face) on the couple of saves i have started.

[Binchy 2]

11 hours ago, Dean Gripton said:

We don't have CEO as a job title/position in FM. The game is Football Manager, not Boardroom Manager. Sharpe acts the DoF role, doesn't he?

Also, we don't have co-chairpersons in the game. It's a level of detail and faff that isn't worth the extra cost of making a brand new job for the few instances of it happening in the entire world.

 

The poster is correct, Sharpe was initially appointed as DOF but then made CEO, and Carolyn is co-chair.

 

However, as you say, this cannot be amended in the database it would seem.

[Rume 1]

Drilon Krasniqi has left Stevenage: https://twitter.com/Academy23/status/1319957882704699394

He's now with Academy23 who appear to serve as Slough Town's U23s

[Gazza88 13]

Mansfield town are listed as a category 4 youth setup. However in July we were awarded category 3 status. 

https://www.mansfieldtown.net/news/2020/july/academy-awarded-category-3-status

[Rume 1]

There's a few Stevenage U18 players missing, most notably Max Granville, who's already been called up to the first team: https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2020/september/match-report-bradford-city-vs-stevenage-sky-bet-league-two-efl-english-football-league-saturday-26th-september-2020/

GK Alex Aitken: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/alex-aitken/profil/spieler/776077

DL/ML Kwadwo Bugyei-Kyei: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kwadwo-bugyei-kyei/profil/spieler/776088

DR Morgan Mahoney: https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2019/november/match-report-stevenage-v-peterborough-united-under-18s-fa-youth-cup-thursday-21-november-2019/

DC Ben Siggers: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ben-siggers/profil/spieler/776085

ST Teddy Stevenson: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/teddy-stevenson/profil/spieler/776086

 

Also, Ilias Chair is listed in Stevenage's Favoured Personnel twice, one is linked to his current profile and one isn't

Edited November 12, 2020 by Rume

[Timma 86]

Couple of internationals I missed the other day:

Clayton Donaldson (Bradford) has 10 caps 2 goals for Jamaica: https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/61337/Clayton_Donaldson.html

Dean Furman (Carlisle) 57 caps 4 goals for South Africa: https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/48639/Dean_Furman.html

Tommy Smith (Colchester) 38 caps 2 goals for New Zealand: https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/36528/Tommy_Smith.html

[Ben Reardon 0]

Hi, I'm enjoying the Beta, but there's a few Tranmere Rovers related data issues.

Michael Vernon, who was the analyst, is no longer at the Football Club.

Dawn Tolcher is the club's managing director, so she should be included in the game, as I see other club's have their managing directors in game.

Attached is the club's current staff list - https://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/club/tranmere-rovers-staff-directory/ 

Thank you. 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Ben Reardon

[hepple 5]

Last nights team sheet for Cheltenham Town under 18s

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emj-sFqWEAAgyEn?format=jpg&name=900x900

 

Has dates of births for a number of the youth players

Liam Atwell - 8/11/2002

Dan Stevens - 25/10/2002

Zac Guinan - 29/1/2004

Will Taylor - 6/2/2004

partial dates for a few but using that and the club site for ages listed in profiles believe the following to be correct

Harvey Skurek is 6/11/2004

Felix Miles 26/9/2003

Connor Jakeways - 29/3/2004

Callum Ebanks - 8/10/2003

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by hepple

[Dean Gripton 259]

10 hours ago, Gazza88 said:

Mansfield town are listed as a category 4 youth setup. However in July we were awarded category 3 status. 

https://www.mansfieldtown.net/news/2020/july/academy-awarded-category-3-status

Thanks - have updated that in time for the database we will use for the Release version of the game. 

[Dean Gripton 259]

22 hours ago, Alex033 said:

Hi, 

For Scunthorpe United it appears the U23 side has disappeared this year.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2020/october/report-huddersfield-town-u23s-0-4-iron-u23s

 

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/club/club-directory/whos-who/
 

Russ Wilcox is the U23 manager rather than first team coach as stated in the current version of game.

 

Many thanks.

Hmm. They are set with an U23 team and manager, and are set to a competition in the database. 

However, this does not appear to be in the game. I'll investigate.

 

[Drucey_92 10]

Miserable season for us so far but some thoughts to update data for Southend:

Kazaiah Sterling's loan only runs to 4th January 2021 https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/october/blues-sign-sterling-on-loan-from-spurs/

Arguably Richard Taylor could do with a boast to his suitability as a centre back - suggest he is at least equally if not more suited there than left back. Has played both positions in the first team this season. 

Not clear that Imaad Sankoh has actually signed - played for the U23s and marked as a trialist only and nothing formal to suggest he has signed terms https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/october/match-report-oxford-united-u23s-3-1-southend-united-u23s/

All the new 1st year scholars are in the squad but 4 2nd years who have featured regularly in the U18s this season are missing. They are (1) Oli Coker (CM) (2) Ergis Shala (CB) (3) Tommy Davis (CB) (4) Demaray Anyadike (MF). Oli Coker (squad no. 34) has played in the first team this season. https://www.southendunited.co.uk/teams/academy/ Plenty of U18 match reports in which all 4 feature. https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/18777645.first-team-debut-dream-come-true-southend-united-youngster-oli-coker/

Freddy Eastwood should only be on a youth contract as he is a third year scholar. I don't have a DOB for Sam Brogan but think he should be 'older' as is a 3rd year, he has not played for the U18s this season. Issa Mpenga (FW) is not on the game and is a third year scholar has featured in the U23s and currently on work experience loan at Harlow. https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/may/blues-show-faith-in-young-players-with-academy-players-retained/ - this article confirms Eastwood all 3 are third years and they have featured in U23 games. 

 

[Bruce Drundrige 54]

Very quick and minor update for Exeter City, specifically the height of some of the players.

Main example is Matt Jay. His height in-game is listed as 5 foot 10 when he's probably the shortest player in the squad. I know the club website says he's 178cm (5 ft 10) but that's definitely a mistake and he's probably closer to 5ft 6 or 5ft 7. I gave similar feedback for FM20 so I think what he was listed as in the final database would be accurate.

In this image you can see he's clearly shorter than Joel Randell (on the left) but the official ECFC website lists Randell's height as 177cms... https://ppauk.com/photo/2255842/

This image also shows it nicely - https://ppauk.com/photo/2251132/

Pierce Sweeney is also listed 5 foot 10 but according to the club website he's 183cms - 6 feet tall - and he's definitely not the same height as Matt Jay (and is a centre-back and more likely to be 6 foot (I also used to work for the club and have stood next to them both...)

Matt Jay also starts as transfer listed, but IRL he's featured in twelve games and has basically been a regular starter (not sure if that's the sort of thing we mention here?)

[Sheila 1]

First things first I'm so please that James McKeowns stats finally match his ability as one of the top goalkeepers  in this division thank you for that. Now onto a few errors

Couple of Grimsby players missing from our under 23s

Ben Grist and Louis Boyd (who has made his pro debut for the club), both highly thought of players with the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and an unnamed Scottish club keeping an eye on them
https://talksport.com/football/772841/liverpool-chelsea-grimsby-town-louis-boyd-and-ben-grist-as-league-two-side-battle-grim-financial-coronavirus-pandemic/
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/boyd-grist-liverpool-chelsea-transfer-4633660
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2020-09-18/louis-boyd-grimsby-towns-youngest-ever-player-makes-history

Alhagi Touray Sisay is 6ft 4 not 5ft 9

Whilst he is on loan at Grimsby I feel and I think a few Bristol City fans would also agree you have given Owura Edwards a diservice on the boys pace, the lad is rappid and should be pushing 16s at least not the pitiful 13 you've assigned him.

The only other one I can see is Montel Gibson low stats while I concede he has come up from lower league football, he is our top scorer (thats not saying much) and has scored for fun at the lower level and finishing 10 and composure 9 just don't seem to reflect that but that could just be a fans view of it

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Sheila

[Tbarnes88 10]

At Scunthorpe Utd Karin Swann is incorrectly listed as male

Edited November 13, 2020 by Tbarnes88

[Peter G 32]

11 hours ago, Drucey_92 said:

Miserable season for us so far but some thoughts to update data for Southend:

Kazaiah Sterling's loan only runs to 4th January 2021 https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/october/blues-sign-sterling-on-loan-from-spurs/

Arguably Richard Taylor could do with a boast to his suitability as a centre back - suggest he is at least equally if not more suited there than left back. Has played both positions in the first team this season. 

Not clear that Imaad Sankoh has actually signed - played for the U23s and marked as a trialist only and nothing formal to suggest he has signed terms https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/october/match-report-oxford-united-u23s-3-1-southend-united-u23s/

All the new 1st year scholars are in the squad but 4 2nd years who have featured regularly in the U18s this season are missing. They are (1) Oli Coker (CM) (2) Ergis Shala (CB) (3) Tommy Davis (CB) (4) Demaray Anyadike (MF). Oli Coker (squad no. 34) has played in the first team this season. https://www.southendunited.co.uk/teams/academy/ Plenty of U18 match reports in which all 4 feature. https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/18777645.first-team-debut-dream-come-true-southend-united-youngster-oli-coker/

Freddy Eastwood should only be on a youth contract as he is a third year scholar. I don't have a DOB for Sam Brogan but think he should be 'older' as is a 3rd year, he has not played for the U18s this season. Issa Mpenga (FW) is not on the game and is a third year scholar has featured in the U23s and currently on work experience loan at Harlow. https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/may/blues-show-faith-in-young-players-with-academy-players-retained/ - this article confirms Eastwood all 3 are third years and they have featured in U23 games. 

 

Thanks for these. Aware of Mpenga. 

[AlphaDevil2 58]

12 hours ago, Bruce Drundrige said:

Very quick and minor update for Exeter City, specifically the height of some of the players.

Main example is Matt Jay. His height in-game is listed as 5 foot 10 when he's probably the shortest player in the squad. I know the club website says he's 178cm (5 ft 10) but that's definitely a mistake and he's probably closer to 5ft 6 or 5ft 7. I gave similar feedback for FM20 so I think what he was listed as in the final database would be accurate.

In this image you can see he's clearly shorter than Joel Randell (on the left) but the official ECFC website lists Randell's height as 177cms... https://ppauk.com/photo/2255842/

This image also shows it nicely - https://ppauk.com/photo/2251132/

Pierce Sweeney is also listed 5 foot 10 but according to the club website he's 183cms - 6 feet tall - and he's definitely not the same height as Matt Jay (and is a centre-back and more likely to be 6 foot (I also used to work for the club and have stood next to them both...)

Matt Jay also starts as transfer listed, but IRL he's featured in twelve games and has basically been a regular starter (not sure if that's the sort of thing we mention here?)

Thats an interesting observation. Matt Jay has always been a thorn in my side because of his height. I havent got the game loaded up currently and the club website height has been wrong for years.  Looking at the research database that we useds over the summer he should be listed in game as 5'7 which is the figure I got from another researcher who has met him. So once I have the BETA in front of me I will check and try to find out whats wrong.

As for him being transfer listed that is not really a data issue par se. I think the issue is more that there are several players who can fit into each role i.e Nicky law for example. He definitely has the CA of a player who is a first teamer in an upper league 2 club. Ofcourse up until now he has always played second fiddle to Nicky Law and it will be interesting to see how he fit into the team now Law is more match fit. Although Taylor seems to now feel Law may be able to play a more deeper role allowing Jay the "hole" role. But thats more of a recent tactical development in the last couple of weeks and it will be interesting to see how that develops before the squad is rerated in January.

I'm sure Pierce Sweeney was also listed in several sources as 5'9 I will check, I do take your point on the OS he is listed as 6 ft and will look to get it corrected if from what I can find backs up your comments  

Again thankyou for bringing this to our attention!

Edited November 13, 2020 by AlphaDevil2

[andy_gtfc 19]

15 hours ago, Sheila said:

Couple of Grimsby players missing from our under 23s

Ben Grist and Louis Boyd (who has made his pro debut for the club), both highly thought of players with the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and an unnamed Scottish club keeping an eye on them
https://talksport.com/football/772841/liverpool-chelsea-grimsby-town-louis-boyd-and-ben-grist-as-league-two-side-battle-grim-financial-coronavirus-pandemic/
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/boyd-grist-liverpool-chelsea-transfer-4633660
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2020-09-18/louis-boyd-grimsby-towns-youngest-ever-player-makes-history

I don't think they will be on here because they're still at school and due to data protection? They're both 15.

Joe Starbuck can play right back, right wing back and right midfield.

Duncan Idehen is left footed. Additionally his pace seems to be a little slow, having him down as one of the slowest in the squad. Having watched him, he definitely isn't on the "slow" side. https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/grimsby-town-contract-news-players-4286306

Alhagi Touray's full name is Alhagi Touray Sisay (Sisay is missed off his name) on the screen.

Anthony Limbrick has left the club now. He left 2 weeks ago, so I'm guessing this might have missed the cut? Ben Davies is down as U23 manager, he also is a first team coach too. Maybe his secondary job can be put as First Team Coach?

We have an option to extend Ira Jackson Jr's contract by a year too. https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/august/jackson-signs-for-the-mariners/

Same with George Williams https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/august/williams-is-a-mariner/

Quite a few U18's have been missed off the list too.

Edited November 13, 2020 by andy_gtfc

[matt_neil41 66]

8 hours ago, AlphaDevil2 said:

I'm sure Pierce Sweeney was also listed in several sources as 5'9 I will check, I do take your point on the OS he is listed as 6 ft and will look to get it corrected if from what I can find backs up your comments  

I'd guess at 5'/1011" for Sweeney myself.

 

Josh Kayode at Carlisle should be Irish/Nigerian:

 

[Bruce Drundrige 54]

14 hours ago, AlphaDevil2 said:

Thats an interesting observation. Matt Jay has always been a thorn in my side because of his height. I havent got the game loaded up currently and the club website height has been wrong for years.  Looking at the research database that we useds over the summer he should be listed in game as 5'7 which is the figure I got from another researcher who has met him. So once I have the BETA in front of me I will check and try to find out whats wrong.

As for him being transfer listed that is not really a data issue par se. I think the issue is more that there are several players who can fit into each role i.e Nicky law for example. He definitely has the CA of a player who is a first teamer in an upper league 2 club. Ofcourse up until now he has always played second fiddle to Nicky Law and it will be interesting to see how he fit into the team now Law is more match fit. Although Taylor seems to now feel Law may be able to play a more deeper role allowing Jay the "hole" role. But thats more of a recent tactical development in the last couple of weeks and it will be interesting to see how that develops before the squad is rerated in January.

I'm sure Pierce Sweeney was also listed in several sources as 5'9 I will check, I do take your point on the OS he is listed as 6 ft and will look to get it corrected if from what I can find backs up your comments  

Again thankyou for bringing this to our attention!

Jay has added an end product now which is helping, that always seemed like the part he was missing to really cement his place in the team.

Agree Sweeney may not actually be 6 foot, it partly explains why he was shifted to RB for so long. 

Data for ECFC all feels pretty spot on though so well done.

[AlphaDevil2 58]

5 hours ago, Bruce Drundrige said:

Jay has added an end product now which is helping, that always seemed like the part he was missing to really cement his place in the team.

Agree Sweeney may not actually be 6 foot, it partly explains why he was shifted to RB for so long. 

Data for ECFC all feels pretty spot on though so well done.

Cheers

Just as a follow up to this. I wasn't able to find concrete evidence on his height. As you say on the OS it says he is 183 cm. I have been looking at photos of the squad at pre season photocall and I in particular noted this on:

Admittedly this is from 2018 however he shouldnt have grown any more. He looks shorter than Troy Brown (6"1) and  Hiram Boateng (6'0) but without bringing up "VAR offside line" it will be difficult to precisely determine his exact height from this. However I have sent all the evidence to Dean to make a  final decision

Edited November 14, 2020 by AlphaDevil2

[AllyJoseph 130]

On Bolton Wanderers, not sure where the loan to the chairman is coming from or how it is so much? We paid off Ken Anderson and he has nothing to do with the club, Sharon Brittain and football ventures I can't find any report of them claiming 500k a month to pay off £41m, the entire point of them coming in was to clear the debt right? I'd like to see where the research has come from regarding the payback being so high.

By season 2 with no spending and selling the Holding clause, I'm 1m in debt already. It's going to break playing them for no real reason and in reality, its also not a sustainable amount.

I'd definitely be willing to be stood corrected but I can't find any reports asking for anything close to those figures.

 

Crellin definitely needs a downgrade, he's faaaar too good. Same with Comley. Tutte needs an upgrade, Santos needs an upgrade.

In season 2 Delaney is dominating League One and is seen as a Championship player, surely he needs a downgrade, he's been ok at best.

[JoeMoon 4]

Southend United forward Kenny Coker:

Player History should be updated - Made 2 league appearances for Southend in League One last season, scoring 0 goals.

PA is perhaps slightly too low? Would be interested to hear the Southend researcher's thoughts.

Height is around 6ft tall.

@Peter G

Edited November 14, 2020 by JoeMoon
Clarity

[Im not Mozzer 29]

4 hours ago, AllyJoseph said:

On Bolton Wanderers, not sure where the loan to the chairman is coming from or how it is so much? We paid off Ken Anderson and he has nothing to do with the club, Sharon Brittain and football ventures I can't find any report of them claiming 500k a month to pay off £41m, the entire point of them coming in was to clear the debt right? I'd like to see where the research has come from regarding the payback being so high.

By season 2 with no spending and selling the Holding clause, I'm 1m in debt already. It's going to break playing them for no real reason and in reality, its also not a sustainable amount.

I'd definitely be willing to be stood corrected but I can't find any reports asking for anything close to those figures.

 

Crellin definitely needs a downgrade, he's faaaar too good. Same with Comley. Tutte needs an upgrade, Santos needs an upgrade.

In season 2 Delaney is dominating League One and is seen as a Championship player, surely he needs a downgrade, he's been ok at best.

Hi pal

First things first, the incoming players were mainly rated by their parent researcher but I'll have an input in them in the coming months. I agree on Tutte, but I think Comley and Santos are about right for now, I'm not going to make any wide sweeping changes based on a couple of games so lets see if Tutte and Santos especially can carry on their good form. I hope they do.

As for the finances, there are various sources indicating that our financial position is precarious - https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/18687275.bolton-wanderers-owners-say-will-pay-3-5m-bill-avoid-efl-penalties/#:~:text=Sport 31st August-,Bolton Wanderers' owners say they will pay £3.5,bill to avoid EFL penalties&text=BOLTON Wanderers' owners%2C Football Ventures,a potential 15-point penalty. being one,  but withoutbeing on the inside then everything is a 'best guess' scenario. If you have any evidence to oppose this then I'd be all ears.

I've played a few seasons through with them now and the targets/challenges feel realistic and sustainable to me. It's a tough team to manage, make no bones about it.

[Peter G 32]

2 hours ago, JoeMoon said:

Southend United forward Kenny Coker:

Player History should be updated - Made 2 league appearances for Southend in League One last season, scoring 0 goals.

PA is perhaps slightly too low? Would be interested to hear the Southend researcher's thoughts.

Height is around 6ft tall.

@Peter G

Thanks for the info on History. 

For PA it's something I will be keeping an eye on how he develops this season. Last year he made his debut as we were under embargo so couldn't sign anyone. Believe we only had two fit strikers and couldn't register anyone new. Can see room for increase based on this season though. I think his height is around okay, just looking back and it should be similar to Charlie Kelman.

[AllyJoseph 130]

2 hours ago, Im not Mozzer said:

Hi pal

First things first, the incoming players were mainly rated by their parent researcher but I'll have an input in them in the coming months. I agree on Tutte, but I think Comley and Santos are about right for now, I'm not going to make any wide sweeping changes based on a couple of games so lets see if Tutte and Santos especially can carry on their good form. I hope they do.

As for the finances, there are various sources indicating that our financial position is precarious - https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/18687275.bolton-wanderers-owners-say-will-pay-3-5m-bill-avoid-efl-penalties/#:~:text=Sport 31st August-,Bolton Wanderers' owners say they will pay £3.5,bill to avoid EFL penalties&text=BOLTON Wanderers' owners%2C Football Ventures,a potential 15-point penalty. being one,  but withoutbeing on the inside then everything is a 'best guess' scenario. If you have any evidence to oppose this then I'd be all ears.

I've played a few seasons through with them now and the targets/challenges feel realistic and sustainable to me. It's a tough team to manage, make no bones about it.

But my understanding is that we are debt free as of now, its Football Ventures that have taken on the debt and cleared it. That doesn't seem to indicate we're in any further debt or have to repay loans, especially of 500k a month which is borderline absurd tbh. I've just finished season 2 and have managed to get back to back promotions, Delaney is still one of the best players at the club, I'd say he's probably overrated. Santos wasn't good enough to get a starting spot from the off which is crazy seeing how good he's been for us. Tutte was rated at 2 stars by our coaching staff, that's insane, glad to see there's a potential boost there. Comley has been poor, rated at 4 stars and was wanted by some Championship sides, overrated in my eyes again. Each to their own though, not huge issues. Tutte probably is the biggest issue of the lot as he's almost un-useable.

Finances though definitely require a lot more input as 500k per month is not something that's sustainable irl, considering we nearly went out of business over a 1m tax bill, 500k per month isn't going to be realistic or something FV would have wanted to take over if it was upon itself.

3 seasons, 2 promotions, no purchases, £4m worth of sales and I'm in £3m debt...that's nuts. A couple of seasons  of stagnation and the game puts us in administration for sure when in reality we're a lot safer than most now.

I'm sure we owe FV SOME money, but 45m and 500k a week I'd struggle to see being correct. The article you've linked alone quotes £59k a month...

EDIT: That opening is unclear, obviously we're not "debt free" I meant that we're not taking on the kinds of debt that is in the game its FV that are in the debt and we're repaying them.

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by AllyJoseph

[Im not Mozzer 29]

All interesting points. The numbers were taken from here - 

 

I'm sorry you're finding it hard but that's our reality. This is a tough club to turn around.

[AllyJoseph 130]

10 minutes ago, Im not Mozzer said:

All interesting points. The numbers were taken from here - 

 

I'm sorry you're finding it hard but that's our reality. This is a tough club to turn around.

Ok, I guess my trump card here is the fact that the debt on 20/21's game is the exact same debt and repayment as 19/20's debt and repayment.

This would indicate that literally nothing has been paid back between the release in November 2019 of 19/20 and the release in November 20 of 20/21. Which your own article again proves isn't the case as some debts have been settled, some have been put into payment plans and some have been thrown out.

The debt is being settled through an administrator and the amount will be whatever the administrator gets, 500k a month would not get the administrators much of that money back.

EDIT: Even with Covid suspensions, lets say we take 500k from November - March, that still knocks off 2.5m at the very least.

Edited November 14, 2020 by AllyJoseph

[Im not Mozzer 29]

Perhaps it does, and I'm not discounting what you propose, but in the absence of anything from the club (who have become so entrenched that it's virtually impossible to get any information out of) we can only go on our best guess scenario, which we're all currently playing out now.

I appreciate your interest in the numbers. What do you make of the rest of the squad? Doyle has been really up-and-down for me in-game, which I guess mirrors his disappointing performances this season.

One thing I did focus on was reducing the somewhat overpowered kids from last season. Still a few in there with the potential to do more, but probably a few steps back from last season when you could go through to the Prem with FHL firing the bullets.