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1 hour ago, kokafalasi said:

Thanks @Smurf

I actually prefer going for a Mac for my own reasons (bad windows experiences in the past, my and my girlfriend’s devices are all Apple etc).

I appreciate that I could get similar specs at a lower price in a PC but I’m happy to take that hit. So I’m just contemplating which Mac to go for in the <2k range, which means I have to exclude the 16” Pro.

The standard MB Pro 13” comes with an 8 GB RAM so if I may just pose the question again: is the upgrade to 16 highly recommended? Also do you think the lack of cooling (fans) would affect the Air’s longevity for the intended usage?

I don’t intend to play any other games, am playing FM in 3D and usually have 5-6 leagues on large DB so around 30k players.

Thanks again for your time, even reading through this thread has been immensely helpful!

You're making a financial mistake. But if you're happy to take the hit then go for it.

Windows is fine, I turn my computer on and off and it's put through it's paces as I'm a graphic designer dealing with big files and heavy graphics and lots of processing to do.

 

8gb of RAM is fine. 16gb is obviously better, don't know how easy/costly it is to upgrade a Mac later on. 

The MacBook Air doesn't have cooling fans, so you'll definitely get cooling issues, and that leads to processor throttling.

If you went with the MacBook Pro 13 inch, I think that has cooling fans (you'd have to look into that). 

Honestly I think it's a waste of money if all you play is FM. 

 

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2 minutes ago, abc12345 said:

Thanks for the reply.  Put off by the non decent comment!  Any significant improvement if the budget stretches to £600?

Hate seen money wasted - so I thought to be honest rather than lead you down the wrong path.

This is really good 

https://www.box.co.uk/FA506IH-BQ027-ASUS-TUF-Gaming-A15-FA506IH-BQ027-(NO-OP_2913034.html

 

Then these two

https://www.box.co.uk/FX505GT-BQ008T-ASUS-TUF-Gaming-FX505GT-BQ008T_2940903.html

https://www.box.co.uk/30029417-Medion-Crawler-E10_3201865.html

 

 I don't see anything in the £600 at the moment.

I only checked that one site though - if you can get the first one anywhere else cheaper then that's the one to go for.

The other 2 are probably just as good - but just below the other one.

 

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2 hours ago, Smurf said:

 

3-400 for 2-3 leagues - sounds like FM touch would be better for you.

For 400 quid it's a waste of money for a laptop that will be under spec.

 

From your list

Either this one

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Pavilion-15-ec1001na-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B0877L4KMD/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hp%2Bpavilion%2Bgtx%2B1650&qid=1590691279&sr=8-1&tag=laptopz18-21&th=1&psc=1

Or this

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-laptops/acer-nitro-5-an515-54-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-gtx-1650-256-gb-ssd-10205925-pdt.html?istCompanyId=bec25c7e-cbcd-460d-81d5-a25372d2e3d7&istFeedId=4d7eb93e-055f-499d-8ee5-1cdcc50d67d1&istItemId=irlrtxtpp&istBid=tztx&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~0073 (Shopping Ads) Gaming Laptop - Brand Intel Sept19~073 (PLA) Gaming Laptops - Intel Products ad group~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&kwid=GOOGLE&device=c&ds_kids=92700054722146828&tgtid=0073 (Shopping Ads) Gaming Laptop - Brand Intel Sept19&&gclid=CjwKCAiAtej9BRAvEiwA0UAWXoc8NdanGh-pmPAoG_qRgcQ5ecsuAwqN49iQ_0H25npFQPA9wY7TARoC3CYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

The first one.

 

It's ok - not sure how the new Intel hold up - but the specs of the processor look good. 

Don't see any issue. Seems to be in good company around other top processors.

According to NotebookCheck the processors around this are:

 

  • + Intel Core i7-7920HQ
  •    4x 3.1 GHz - 4.1 GHz
  • » Intel Core i5-1135G7
       4x 2.4 GHz - 4.2 GHz
  • - Intel Core i5-1038NG7
       4x 2 GHz - 3.8 GHz
  • - Intel Core i5-9300HF
       4x 2.4 GHz - 4.1 GHz
  • - Intel Core i5-9300H
       4x 2.4 GHz - 4.1 GHz
  • - Intel Core i5-8400H
       4x 2.5 GHz - 4.2 GHz

Go for the 13 inch MacBook Pro.

It's a lot of money - you could get a PC Laptop for under 2k with much better specs.

Go back to Page 4 or 5 - I listed a Mac there for about 4k and put together a much better PC Laptop on PC Specialist for about 1.7k.

 

For 600 euro you won't do much better.

I'd go with the Ryzen.

What's the budget now?

 

Thanks for your reply. Would you know any tablets to recommend that will run touch smoothly.

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I'm looking at getting a new lap top as my seven year old Lenovo is on its last legs.  I play FM20 currently (may move up to FM21 at some point, but maybe not), normally with only one nation (England) and seven leagues (i.e. down to National North/South), but would like the option to potentially expand this out a bit.  I'm not too fussed about the quality of the graphics.  I don’t play other games, so main other uses are browsing, music and Netflix etc while we're away.

I can't justify a big budget due to the reduced usage/game play these days (pesky kids), so I accept that I'll end up with a slower than average game speed.

How do these two compare?  A friend recommended the first, but the processor ranks really low on the comparison site.  Is the extra £100+ justified for the second one?

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-inspiron-15-3505-156-fhd-wva-ryzen-3-3250u-8gb-ram-256gb-ssd-black-laptop-ps45505-at-dell-shop-with-code-3592503

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-15s-eq1510sa-15-6-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-silver-10207935-pdt.html

Thanks in advance

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20 minutes ago, Rushers82 said:

I'm looking at getting a new lap top as my seven year old Lenovo is on its last legs.  I play FM20 currently (may move up to FM21 at some point, but maybe not), normally with only one nation (England) and seven leagues (i.e. down to National North/South), but would like the option to potentially expand this out a bit.  I'm not too fussed about the quality of the graphics.  I don’t play other games, so main other uses are browsing, music and Netflix etc while we're away.

I can't justify a big budget due to the reduced usage/game play these days (pesky kids), so I accept that I'll end up with a slower than average game speed.

How do these two compare?  A friend recommended the first, but the processor ranks really low on the comparison site.  Is the extra £100+ justified for the second one?

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-inspiron-15-3505-156-fhd-wva-ryzen-3-3250u-8gb-ram-256gb-ssd-black-laptop-ps45505-at-dell-shop-with-code-3592503

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-15s-eq1510sa-15-6-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-silver-10207935-pdt.html

Thanks in advance

I was looking at the HP one, but was unsure as it doesn’t have a graphics card 

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24 minutes ago, abc12345 said:

I was looking at the HP one, but was unsure as it doesn’t have a graphics card 

I think Currys just omitted that piece of info.  According to HP's own site it has integrated AMD Graphics (which I presume is sufficient for FM)

https://www8.hp.com/uk/en/laptops/product-details/product-specifications/37719288

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3 hours ago, Rushers82 said:

I'm looking at getting a new lap top as my seven year old Lenovo is on its last legs.  I play FM20 currently (may move up to FM21 at some point, but maybe not), normally with only one nation (England) and seven leagues (i.e. down to National North/South), but would like the option to potentially expand this out a bit.  I'm not too fussed about the quality of the graphics.  I don’t play other games, so main other uses are browsing, music and Netflix etc while we're away.

I can't justify a big budget due to the reduced usage/game play these days (pesky kids), so I accept that I'll end up with a slower than average game speed.

How do these two compare?  A friend recommended the first, but the processor ranks really low on the comparison site.  Is the extra £100+ justified for the second one?

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-inspiron-15-3505-156-fhd-wva-ryzen-3-3250u-8gb-ram-256gb-ssd-black-laptop-ps45505-at-dell-shop-with-code-3592503

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-15s-eq1510sa-15-6-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-silver-10207935-pdt.html

Thanks in advance

2nd one

3 hours ago, abc12345 said:

I was looking at the HP one, but was unsure as it doesn’t have a graphics card 

Where no graphics card is stated it means it's not a dedicated graphics card - but integrated with the CPU.

3 hours ago, Rushers82 said:

I think Currys just omitted that piece of info.  According to HP's own site it has integrated AMD Graphics (which I presume is sufficient for FM)

https://www8.hp.com/uk/en/laptops/product-details/product-specifications/37719288

They didn't omit it - it's part of the CPu and there's no dedicated graphics card.

 

3 hours ago, abc12345 said:

Oh right, interested to hear an experts

opinion

Says in the opening thread that we are NOT IT professionals.

2 hours ago, abc12345 said:

Not good enough processor. 

It's only 1.30ghz and FM 21 is min requirement is 1.8ghz

FM 20 requires 2.2ghz or above.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/196597/intel-core-i7-1065g7-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html

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1 hour ago, AbRaiN said:

Hp laptop with AMD RYZEN 5 3500U @2.1GHz and Radeon Vega 8 GPU

Or

Dell laptop with intel i5 10210U @1.6Ghz and Intel UHD Graphics GPU?? 

Same money (about 550euros)

I need a fast suggestion please

The 3500U is 2.1ghz - and FM 21 requires 1.8ghz.

The 10210U does not meat requirements.

 

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21 hours ago, jckc221013jamie said:

Yes that would be good but not brilliant its got 4 cores and 8 threads so the fact that its got hyper threading makes it worth wile and its the new intel 10nm line and its got a nice little ipc gain to it as well and maybe later down the line you can add another 8gb ram stick but 8gb should be enough to see you through this years version of FM and on the plus side it as an Nvme that makes the overall system more responsive but not an absolute must for Football manager but its still nice to have, so overall the system will be quite good, but I can't really confirm the 2 in1 thing so I cant really comment on what that will be like mate

Thanks for your reply! Not going to lie, a lot of what you’ve said has went way over my head but I appreciate your response 😄. Currently downloading the game, thanks again. Great thread! 
 

Also thanks to @Smurffor his reply too. 👍🏻

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11 hours ago, kokafalasi said:

Thanks @Smurf

I actually prefer going for a Mac for my own reasons (bad windows experiences in the past, my and my girlfriend’s devices are all Apple etc).

I appreciate that I could get similar specs at a lower price in a PC but I’m happy to take that hit. So I’m just contemplating which Mac to go for in the <2k range, which means I have to exclude the 16” Pro.

The standard MB Pro 13” comes with an 8 GB RAM so if I may just pose the question again: is the upgrade to 16 highly recommended? Also do you think the lack of cooling (fans) would affect the Air’s longevity for the intended usage?

I don’t intend to play any other games, am playing FM in 3D and usually have 5-6 leagues on large DB so around 30k players.

Thanks again for your time, even reading through this thread has been immensely helpful!

We really can't comment on the new Macbook Air until someone has tried it - anything until then is purely guesswork.  The setup certainly seems less than ideal, but it could all be fine in practice.  Until someone tries it and gives us feedback, all we can do is speculate.

As to whether the upgrade from 8GB to 16GB RAM is highly recommended?  It largely depends on what else you'll be doing with the computer.  If all you're doing is FM and basic computing tasks, I would suggest that 8GB is ample, unless there's very little difference in price (but from memory it's something like a £200 difference give or take).

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9 hours ago, Smurf said:

Hate seen money wasted - so I thought to be honest rather than lead you down the wrong path.

This is really good 

https://www.box.co.uk/FA506IH-BQ027-ASUS-TUF-Gaming-A15-FA506IH-BQ027-(NO-OP_2913034.html

 

 

I think I found it here! with win10 installed, and 512gb SSD as opposed to 256!

For value for money out there, circa £700, is there anything better do you think? 

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Hi folks, 

Thoughts on this for just FM. 3D if poss. 
My Budget is only £400 unfortunately 

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or me

Windows 10
- Intel® CoreTM i5 10400 Processor
- Hexa-core
- 2.9 GHz / 4.3 GHz
- 12 MB cache
-8GB DDR4
- 32 GB maximum installable RAM
1 TB HDD (7200 rpm)
- Intel® dual-band AX WiFi - 2x2
- Up to 1.8 Gbps
Gigabit Ethernet port Bluetooth 5.0
-USBType-Cx1 - USB 3.1 x 5
- USB 2.0 x 2
-HDMIx2
3.5 mm jack x 5
Integrated high-definition 5.1 surround sound
SD
Wireless mouse
Wireless membrane keyboard with numeric keypad
Black

 

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I’m now thinking a desktop pc may be better value for money?  I don’t really need the portability of a laptop anymore.

 

found this one,

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-pcs/lenovo-series-3-gaming-pc-intel-core-i5-gtx-1660-512-gb-ssd-10207934-pdt.html

 

But it’s over my budget, any decent suggestions for a desktop around £500?

 

if not and if the leneovo one is decent I could be tempted

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Hey guys, I'm looking at a laptop to buy. I'll only be playing fm21 on it and using it for Netflix, Spotify, YouTube and Google searching when not playing fm.

My budget is around £500-£600 so I'm looking at these laptops...

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-ideapad-5-14-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-platinum-grey-10208021-pdt.html

 

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-14-ce3510sa-14-laptop-intel-core-i5-512-gb-ssd-silver-10212900-pdt.html

 

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/asus-vivobook-m431ia-14-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-silver-10208158-pdt.html

Thanks in advance for taking the time to have a look, any feedback would be great.

 

 

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Good morning! I am looking to gest a desktop PC, as i think these will be more powerful than a laptop (pls correct me if I'm wrong!). I currently have a Microsoft Surface Book 2 laptop (Intel Core i7-8650U CPU @ 1.90 GHZ 2.11 GHz with 16 GB installed RAM with Windows 10. 

The reason for looking to run FM21 on a new machine is because i found this machine to get very hot when playing FM20. I'm not sure if FM21 will cause the same issues or not? Is there anything I could buy do you think to help with this, extra memory or anything like that?

I would like to run the majority of the leagues with a full selection of all the players in the World being generated. Money is not the most important thing so am happy to spend in excess of £1,000 for the right machine. I would really only be playing FM on this machine and Civilization 4.

I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions if money is not the object to play this game with all the leagues loaded and players in the game operating at a good speed without overheating and using the 3D match engine. If it is better to get the computer built with specifications it would be amazing to know what i should be telling a shop to build for me? 

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12 minutes ago, vinny6876 said:

Good morning! I am looking to gest a desktop PC, as i think these will be more powerful than a laptop (pls correct me if I'm wrong!). I currently have a Microsoft Surface Book 2 laptop (Intel Core i7-8650U CPU @ 1.90 GHZ 2.11 GHz with 16 GB installed RAM with Windows 10. 

The reason for looking to run FM21 on a new machine is because i found this machine to get very hot when playing FM20. I'm not sure if FM21 will cause the same issues or not? Is there anything I could buy do you think to help with this, extra memory or anything like that?

I would like to run the majority of the leagues with a full selection of all the players in the World being generated. Money is not the most important thing so am happy to spend in excess of £1,000 for the right machine. I would really only be playing FM on this machine and Civilization 4.

I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions if money is not the object to play this game with all the leagues loaded and players in the game operating at a good speed without overheating and using the 3D match engine. If it is better to get the computer built with specifications it would be amazing to know what i should be telling a shop to build for me? 

Yep ive come to the same conclusion as you over desktop / laptop.  My budget isn’t as big as yours, see the link above to a Lenovo one.

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10 hours ago, BigRedMart said:

Hi folks, 

Thoughts on this for just FM. 3D if poss. 
My Budget is only £400 unfortunately 

Click me 

or me

Windows 10
- Intel® CoreTM i5 10400 Processor
- Hexa-core
- 2.9 GHz / 4.3 GHz
- 12 MB cache
-8GB DDR4
- 32 GB maximum installable RAM
1 TB HDD (7200 rpm)
- Intel® dual-band AX WiFi - 2x2
- Up to 1.8 Gbps
Gigabit Ethernet port Bluetooth 5.0
-USBType-Cx1 - USB 3.1 x 5
- USB 2.0 x 2
-HDMIx2
3.5 mm jack x 5
Integrated high-definition 5.1 surround sound
SD
Wireless mouse
Wireless membrane keyboard with numeric keypad
Black

 

CPU is OK, but will not be good for 3D.

I'd recommend this instead.  CPU isn't quite as strong (but still decent), but will be far better for 3D due to the much stronger integrated graphics: https://www.box.co.uk/Lenovo-V55t-15API-11CC0009UK-Business-_2961996.html

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7 hours ago, abc12345 said:

I’m now thinking a desktop pc may be better value for money?  I don’t really need the portability of a laptop anymore.

 

found this one,

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-pcs/lenovo-series-3-gaming-pc-intel-core-i5-gtx-1660-512-gb-ssd-10207934-pdt.html

 

But it’s over my budget, any decent suggestions for a desktop around £500?

 

if not and if the leneovo one is decent I could be tempted

What else would you be doing with the computer, ie, any other games?  And do you play FM in 3D?

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5 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

What else would you be doing with the computer, ie, any other games?  And do you play FM in 3D?

Thanks for getting back to me.  Your advice is great.  This is the first time in 10yrs I’ve returned to CM / FM, so happy to give 3D a whirle.

I will also use the pc for architectural design work and basic 3D modelling (sketch up)

 

 

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Alright guys looking to upgrade my now underperforming laptop and have spotted a 2nd hand desktop with these specs:-

I5 Quad Core 3.1GHz CPU

16GB DD3 Ram

120GB SSD 300GB HDD

Asus ROG 1050TI 4GB

Is the 1050ti still a good enough card for fm21? The processor is about 4/5 times better than my current one which is still barely able to run the game so no issues there for me.

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7 hours ago, abc12345 said:

I’m now thinking a desktop pc may be better value for money?  I don’t really need the portability of a laptop anymore.

 

found this one,

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-pcs/lenovo-series-3-gaming-pc-intel-core-i5-gtx-1660-512-gb-ssd-10207934-pdt.html

 

But it’s over my budget, any decent suggestions for a desktop around £500?

 

if not and if the leneovo one is decent I could be tempted

The Lenovo one is decent and very well priced in fairness so if you can stretch to it, then I would.

But if it is over your budget, then I'd suggest this: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/HRDHG3XKnk/

Decent integrated graphics which should work for both FM and Sketchup.

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2 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

The Lenovo one is decent and very well priced in fairness so if you can stretch to it, then I would.

But if it is over your budget, then I'd suggest this: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/HRDHG3XKnk/

Decent integrated graphics which should work for both FM and Sketchup.

cheers mate,  the Lenovo one says it’s available, but I can’t find anywhere to collect it from.  Might have to go with your option.

 

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43 minutes ago, Russell10 said:

Looking for a laptop £350 or under that will run the new FM

In all honesty, there is nothing in that price range to recommend.  You'll get refurb units which can run the game, but it will be slow.

https://www.laptopstation.co.uk/product/laptops/ay167sa/ - will run the game, processing will not be quick and the 3D match graphics will need to be turned right down, or play in 2D.

https://www.laptopstation.co.uk/product/laptops/a315-256/ - If you can stretch to £370, this will be better.  Still not great, but processing will be quicker and the integrated graphics will be a bit stronger.

Other than that, I can't find anything which I'd consider any way acceptable.

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13 minutes ago, abc12345 said:

cheers mate,  the Lenovo one says it’s available, but I can’t find anywhere to collect it from.  Might have to go with your option.

If you can afford the £600, bear with me as there may be something else to go for.....

 

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16 minutes ago, abc12345 said:

 

Here's an alternative: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/tucAkXkfNN/

Better CPU than the previous one (very similar to the Lenovo), dedicated graphics card which will be good for what you're looking at.

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Just now, dalrot said:

I'm looking at upgrading to a laptop with an Intel Iris Xe gpu. Does anyone know if this graphics card will work for FM?

I've not seen any feedback on how good these are as yet, but the reports are that it's a huge improvement on the old Intel UHD integrated GPU.  But, nothing concrete on it as yet, so it will be a gamble at the moment!

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8 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Here's an alternative: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/tucAkXkfNN/

Better CPU than the previous one (very similar to the Lenovo), dedicated graphics card which will be good for what you're looking at.

You star.  Right I’ll go to 600 I think.  Can I ask two more questions.

1) on both of your builds you haven’t selected a 1st storage drive.  Why is that?  
2) is that build better than the acer Nitro?

https://www.box.co.uk/Acer-Nitro-N50-610-Gaming-Desktop-PC_2936931.html

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1 minute ago, abc12345 said:

You star.  Right I’ll go to 600 I think.  Can I ask two more questions.

1) on both of your builds you haven’t selected a 1st storage drive.  Why is that?  
2) is that processer as good as an i5?

1) I've selected a 512GB M2 SSD, as this is the quickest type of storage.

2) Talking specifically the two CPUs in question (i5-10400f and Ryzen 5 3500X), the i5 is a bit stronger, but the benchmarks seem to score them quite closely if you look at the overall scores:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-10400F-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3500X/4079vs4052

If you want the Intel, here's a build with that CPU, but with reduced storage (256GB) at £619.00: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z490-pc/6F6w4avNDX/

You could reduce it below £600 if you change the graphics card to a GTX 1030, which in theory should still be fine for FM and Sketchup, it is just quite a lot weaker than the 1650.

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40 minutes ago, ImDaWeasel said:

Alright guys looking to upgrade my now underperforming laptop and have spotted a 2nd hand desktop with these specs:-

I5 Quad Core 3.1GHz CPU

16GB DD3 Ram

120GB SSD 300GB HDD

Asus ROG 1050TI 4GB

Is the 1050ti still a good enough card for fm21? The processor is about 4/5 times better than my current one which is still barely able to run the game so no issues there for me.

The 1050Ti will be ample for FM.

Do check the full CPU spec though to make sure it is the improvement you think it is.  That's a very generic description and doesn't give the CPU model, or even which generation i5 it is.

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On 20/11/2020 at 16:28, Gallows7 said:

Afternoon all!

I've been lurking in the shadows for a while but finally decided to create an account and ask a few questions, thanks in advance!

With all the "this seems ok" or "I've read this one will do for now". Can anybody personally recommend a laptop which they've actually owned/used for FM with high 3D settings? My old work laptop is barely operating FM21 Beta on the lowest of low settings so it's time to plunge into a new one, what with Black Friday upon us and such.

Could anybody recommend an all-rounder laptop which is good for films, work, smooth FM21 at high settings etc etc.

Don't worry about it's GTA5 Ultra/Crysis settings and what not as I've got an Xbox Series X on order which is what it's designed for!

Cheers!

Hi all! Just wondering if anybody could shed light on this at all or have a solid suggestion on a decent laptop which will smash FM21 visually/mechanically?

 

Cheers.

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24 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

The 1050Ti will be ample for FM.

Do check the full CPU spec though to make sure it is the improvement you think it is.  That's a very generic description and doesn't give the CPU model, or even which generation i5 it is.

Cheers for that. Have contacted the seller for a more accurate description.

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3 hours ago, vinny6876 said:

Good morning! I am looking to gest a desktop PC, as i think these will be more powerful than a laptop (pls correct me if I'm wrong!). I currently have a Microsoft Surface Book 2 laptop (Intel Core i7-8650U CPU @ 1.90 GHZ 2.11 GHz with 16 GB installed RAM with Windows 10. 

The reason for looking to run FM21 on a new machine is because i found this machine to get very hot when playing FM20. I'm not sure if FM21 will cause the same issues or not? Is there anything I could buy do you think to help with this, extra memory or anything like that?

I would like to run the majority of the leagues with a full selection of all the players in the World being generated. Money is not the most important thing so am happy to spend in excess of £1,000 for the right machine. I would really only be playing FM on this machine and Civilization 4.

I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions if money is not the object to play this game with all the leagues loaded and players in the game operating at a good speed without overheating and using the 3D match engine. If it is better to get the computer built with specifications it would be amazing to know what i should be telling a shop to build for me? 

Thanks ABC for suggestion of Lenovo desktop. I’m really after the all doing and seeing desktop and not sure if the Lenovo is that? 

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15 hours ago, kevhamster said:

We really can't comment on the new Macbook Air until someone has tried it - anything until then is purely guesswork.  The setup certainly seems less than ideal, but it could all be fine in practice.  Until someone tries it and gives us feedback, all we can do is speculate.

As to whether the upgrade from 8GB to 16GB RAM is highly recommended?  It largely depends on what else you'll be doing with the computer.  If all you're doing is FM and basic computing tasks, I would suggest that 8GB is ample, unless there's very little difference in price (but from memory it's something like a £200 difference give or take).

Thanks @kevhamster!

Yeah FM the only game and then basic stuff (browsing, emails, some netflix).

The difference in price is indeed around £200. I’ll probably go for the 13” MB Pro, just deciding on 8/16 GB RAM now. Thanks again to both you and @Smurf for your time. Awesome thread 👍

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16 minutes ago, vinny6876 said:

Thanks ABC for suggestion of Lenovo desktop. I’m really after the all doing and seeing desktop and not sure if the Lenovo is that? 

If you want to run a game as large as you're suggesting, you're going to need as strong a CPU as you can afford really.  A database the size you're suggesting is going to be tough on any system, and won't process that quickly even on the best CPU's.
As such, I'd suggest something like this, if you can afford it: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/3HkQGEpuSb/

That CPU is about as strong as is currently available and the graphics card is ample.

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6 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

If you want to run a game as large as you're suggesting, you're going to need as strong a CPU as you can afford really.  A database the size you're suggesting is going to be tough on any system, and won't process that quickly even on the best CPU's.
As such, I'd suggest something like this, if you can afford it: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/3HkQGEpuSb/

That CPU is about as strong as is currently available and the graphics card is ample.

@vinny6876

To add to the above, if you don't need the computer immediately, I'd probably wait until the Ryzen 9 5950x is in stock before ordering as that one will be even better and seems to be a roughly similar price.

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7 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

 

@vinny6876

To add to the above, if you don't need the computer immediately, I'd probably wait until the Ryzen 9 5950x is in stock before ordering as that one will be even better and seems to be a roughly similar price.

Thank you Kev, I really appreciate this advice.

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29 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

 

@vinny6876

To add to the above, if you don't need the computer immediately, I'd probably wait until the Ryzen 9 5950x is in stock before ordering as that one will be even better and seems to be a roughly similar price.

Do you think there is anything I can add to my laptop specs that I listed above to stop the laptop becoming hot?

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9 minutes ago, vinny6876 said:

Do you think there is anything I can add to my laptop specs that I listed above to stop the laptop becoming hot?

edit; double post

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10 minutes ago, vinny6876 said:

Do you think there is anything I can add to my laptop specs that I listed above to stop the laptop becoming hot?

Get a cooling pad to rest it on: https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/best-laptop-cooling-pad

EDIT: Sorry, I'm confused, are you wanting a laptop or desktop?

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