Difference between Winger cutting inside and Inverted Winger staying wide

[Xavier Lukhas]

In his Liquid 4123 for FM19 which you can find here:

@Rashidi said that he prefers to have his Wingers on Support but with the "Cuts Inside" Trait/PPM rather than having an Inverted Winger with the "Stay Wider" PI. I'm interested in knowing if other people have found a big difference between the two choices. It is interesting to me because while Rashidi says he prefers to have the option, obviously teaching a player a new trait takes IMO away a bit of his flexibility as he'll tend to (depending of various  factors of course) favour acting his trait rather than following the overall tactical instructions. It also is something to take into consideration if you have multiple tactics for a single team to which players need to master. Yet it still is an interesting choice to make, so I wonder if people have found a significant difference between the two options in the ME. I've tried both out, and among the various factors that go into a match , this is quite hard to isolate its effects within the noise of a football match; even when running the same set of matches over and over again, or using editing tools to add or remove PPMs/Traits as one sees fit (because again, PPMs/Traits training is not free).

Thoughts?

[denen123]

8 hours ago, Xavier Lukhas said:

In his Liquid 4123 for FM19 which you can find here:

@Rashidi said that he prefers to have his Wingers on Support but with the "Cuts Inside" Trait/PPM rather than having an Inverted Winger with the "Stay Wider" PI. I'm interested in knowing if other people have found a big difference between the two choices. It is interesting to me because while Rashidi says he prefers to have the option, obviously teaching a player a new trait takes IMO away a bit of his flexibility as he'll tend to (depending of various  factors of course) favour acting his trait rather than following the overall tactical instructions. It also is something to take into consideration if you have multiple tactics for a single team to which players need to master. Yet it still is an interesting choice to make, so I wonder if people have found a significant difference between the two options in the ME. I've tried both out, and among the various factors that go into a match , this is quite hard to isolate its effects within the noise of a football match; even when running the same set of matches over and over again, or using editing tools to add or remove PPMs/Traits as one sees fit (because again, PPMs/Traits training is not free).

Thoughts?

Yes.

If you use a Winger on support, naturally he is always going to pit himself in 1 v 1 situations with the fullback, thus increasing his probability or dribbling percentages, whereas, inside forward roles are often playing into channels defended by FB & CD(most times, you're often then required to employ a marauding fullback to even things up, 2 v 2).

Added to this effect, you then play him on his opposite foot(left instead of right on the right flank or vice-versa, like he did for Salah/Mane) then he starts really wide to cut in, thus he has an opportunity to take out FB, commit CD and DM(if you watch the video, he laid emphasis on "taking out 4" players), whereas an inside winger might do this rather inconsistently because he'll be looking to score and so "taking out" players will be a route to early shots & less opening spaces for exploit by unrushing players.

All in all, it is a way of navigating through the ME by creating unnatural movements. It has it's pros & cons.

PS: sometimes my English suffers, so apologies.

Edited November 2, 2020 by denen123

[Bot Makel]

Yes, there is a difference.

With the support duty the player will often receive the ball deep or between the lines. He will therefore have the defense ahead of him.
The inverted wing with the 'stay wider' instruction will have a one - dimensional movement: it will point straight into the center of the field. Instead the wing with the contrasting trait will move according to the situation (decisions is a key attribute for this situation).
You use the wing to create 1 vs 1 situations and create space in the center.
I often use wings with a strong foot opposite to the side they play without PPM. This allows the player not to cross into the area but to adjust the ball and observe his teammates. For tactics that aim to control space or play with short passes it's great in my view.
It also works for players with the attack duty, albeit in a slightly different way.

[gunnerfan]

I'm playing a 4-1-4-1DM in FM19, and I can't change my winger's instruction from "run wide with ball" to "cuts inside with ball". Does clicking "Roam from Position" accomplish the same thing?

[04texag]

It's a player trait, not a player instruction

[Bot Makel]

20 minutes ago, gunnerfan said:

I'm playing a 4-1-4-1DM in FM19, and I can't change my winger's instruction from "run wide with ball" to "cuts inside with ball". Does clicking "Roam from Position" accomplish the same thing?

As said @04texag it's not an player istruction, you can add "cuts inside" with player trait.

"Roam from position" is an instruction that acts when the player is off the ball while "run wide" or "cuts inside" when they have the ball.

[gunnerfan]

Thanks.

[Xavier Lukhas]

Thanks for the replies, it's appreciated.

[NotSoSpecialOne]

Although I find the inverted winger is perfectly capable of stretching the width and taking on the fullback on the outside like a regular winger (they're quite a bit less aggressive about drifting into the half spaces compared to an inside forward in my experience), I do see the merit. And I guess it comes down to whether you want a player who A) prefers to attack into the halfspace but may also go wide or B) A player that prefers to go wide but may also attack into the half space (prefer here being tactical instruction).

You do highlight what is an important consideration though. PPMs aren't free; they take (sometimes) significant amount of time to train and there are only a limited amount that you can give a player as well. But at the end of the day that's going to depend on what you want out of your tactical system and the individual players.