Which attributes/tactical instructions control these behaviors?

[epicrecruit]

There's a few common behaviors that I keep watching in the highlights and I'm wondering what can fix them.

1) Slow long ball to my tall striker, but even though it's landing right next to him, he doesn't challenge for it, just stays still while a nearby opposition defender controls it without challenge. Is it only a lack of Aggression and/or Bravery?

2) My pacy winger with average-to-decent Decisions, Teamwork and Vision (about 12, but I'm in League 2) skins the fullback and is through on goal, but instead of attempting to square the ball to the striker running up to join him, he takes a weak shot. [b]I've never seen wingers pass horizontally once they're through on goal, it's always this weak shot conclusion[/b]. He already has the "Shoot Less Often" instructions.

Edited October 31, 2020 by epicrecruit

[Experienced Defender]

Post a screenshot of your tactic, to begin with. Otherwise, we can just speculate, which is usually misleading. 

[lfds89]

10 hours ago, epicrecruit said:

There's a few common behaviors that I keep watching in the highlights and I'm wondering what can fix them.

1) Slow long ball to my tall striker, but even though it's landing right next to him, he doesn't challenge for it, just stays still while a nearby opposition defender controls it without challenge. Is it only a lack of Aggression and/or Bravery?

2) My pacy winger with average-to-decent Decisions, Teamwork and Vision (about 12, but I'm in League 2) skins the fullback and is through on goal, but instead of attempting to square the ball to the striker running up to join him, he takes a weak shot. [b]I've never seen wingers pass horizontally once they're through on goal, it's always this weak shot conclusion[/b]. He already has the "Shoot Less Often" instructions.

1. Can also be Work Rate, Anticipation,...

2. Probably something to do with tempo. 12 decisions isn't good, also. Doesn't matter if it's better than the league's standard.

As @Experienced Defendersaid, show us the tactic. You'll get better answers

[epicrecruit]

On 01/11/2020 at 05:47, lfds89 said:

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On 31/10/2020 at 20:37, Experienced Defender said:

Post a screenshot of your tactic, to begin with. Otherwise, we can just speculate, which is usually misleading. 

Here you go.  Personal instructions for both wingers are: Shoot Less Often, Mark Tighter. I get that an Attack duty makes them more shooty than a Support duty, but I've NEVER seen a winger skin the fullback and pass horizontally, since I started playing FM2020. This isn't specific to this tactic. I've had wingers be Winger Att, Winger Su, IF Su, IW Su...it never matters.

 

 

 

[Experienced Defender]

2 hours ago, epicrecruit said:

Personal instructions for both wingers are: Shoot Less Often, Mark Tighter

Completely unnecessary, especially the tight marking PI. Remove both instructions. 

But that's not the only problem in your tactic. There are quite a few:

- defense-wise, it is very porous, both because of a low level of compactness (distance between DL and LOE) coupled with extreme pressing and the setup on the flanks (virtually no defensive protection on either side)

- in-possession instructions look very contradictory, both among themselves and in relation to roles and duties (what you are demanding from your players can only confuse them, which explains your tactical problems)

In short, the tactic needs a lot of tweaking, but the first thing you need to sort out is how exactly you want to play (playing style)?

[epicrecruit]

22 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

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I realize this tactic doesn't look good on paper, but my question is about wingers never squaring the ball once they skin the defender.

 

(Out of respect for you I'll answer. My playing style? Doesn't matter. I just wanted a ready-made "click Submit Squad to win match" tactic and this was it, It's called Terminator and I got it off a site that tested 250 user-submitted tactics and this one topped the rankings for most squad strength levels. I just replaced one of the two AMCs with a DLF because of my squad.

It's porous on paper but in practice, half-way through the season, it's far superior defensively to the tactic I asked about in the tactics forum (which I ran by you and you suggested balance tweaks) with 3 CBs, 2 WBs, and 1 DMC Def. With this the opposition barely gets a shot in, and I'm scoring much more than I did before. Something about this match engine is biased towards the aggressive style such as in the tactic I posted, because all the top-ranked tactics are this sort of aggressive-gegenpress-attack-overload that doesn't work IRL but works in FM)

Edited November 4, 2020 by Experienced Defender
link to another fansite removed

[Experienced Defender]

41 minutes ago, epicrecruit said:

I realize this tactic doesn't look good on paper, but my question is about wingers never squaring the ball once they skin the defender

There could be plenty of potential reasons. But the key thing you need to remember is this - when a tactic is not sensibly constructed (contradictions, overkill, poor balance between roles and duties and so on), then players behaving "strangely" is a very common occurrence.

Therefore, rather than being focused on individual things, you should look at your tactic as a complex system made of many elements that interact with one another all the time. 

41 minutes ago, epicrecruit said:

(Out of respect for you I'll answer. My playing style? Doesn't matter. I just wanted a ready-made "click Submit Squad to win match" tactic and this was it, It's called Terminator and I got it off a site that tested 250 user-submitted tactics and this one topped the rankings for most squad strength levels. I just replaced one of the two AMCs with a DLF because of my squad.

It's porous on paper but in practice, half-way through the season, it's far superior defensively to the tactic I asked about in the tactics forum (which I ran by you and you suggested balance tweaks) with 3 CBs, 2 WBs, and 1 DMC Def. With this the opposition barely gets a shot in, and I'm scoring much more than I did before. Something about this match engine is biased towards the aggressive style such as in the tactic I posted, because all the top-ranked tactics are this sort of aggressive-gegenpress-attack-overload that doesn't work IRL but works in FM)

You are obviously talking about a plug'n'play - and potentially "exploit" - tactic that works very well for you, so I don't see why are you actually asking for advice here? The thing with PnP tactics is that they are extremely successful even though they don't make any sense in terms of football logic (which happens simply because the ME is not perfect and can never be perfect, despite being constantly improved).

Therefore, there is absolutely no point in trying to discuss such kind of tactics in this regular section of the tactical forum. Because any tweak you could potentially make following suggestions - either from me or anyone here - can completely ruin your otherwise successful PnP tactic. 

Simply, if it works in terms of results, just stick to it and don't care why a winger is doing this and not that. 

P.S: I removed the link you posted because that kind of links is not allowed on the forum, so please keep that in mind in future.