Chelsea

[Sarriball14]

I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to set up the current Chelsea squad. I’m thinking of one last save before the new release and with Chelsea’s riches of attacking players and young players it’s quite an exciting prospect. I’m struggling for ideas on formations and roles. Thinking along the lines of a 4231 or a 4231DM Assuming Werner Havertz pulisic and Ziyech are going to be my main players for this save I want to get the best out of them. I’d like Havertz to be a goal threat and provider (basically I want the team built around him) I don’t think Lampard even knows himself in real life tbh. Any ideas on formations and roles would be very welcome. As for style I’m not keen on direct football neither am I keen on pass for the sake of passing football. Something in between lol. 

[camoulton21]

Chelsea Positional Play

Have a read of the above link, it's a little bit length but well worth the read. It goes into a lot of depth analysing the depth of options Chelsea have and how versatile the players in the squad are, not just in positions but in the potential roles they can play. The article recommends the 4-1-4-1 DM and 4-2-3-1 formations

[Experienced Defender]

9 hours ago, Sarriball14 said:

I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to set up the current Chelsea squad

You mean as a replication of their current real-life tactic (style of play) or just a good tactic for their current squad in FM?

[Sarriball14]

11 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

You mean as a replication of their current real-life tactic (style of play) or just a good tactic for their current squad in FM?

Not a real life one because I’m not really sure Frank knows his best 11 yet. Just purely taking the squad for what it is on the game with all the transfer updates to the team. 
 

Thanks 

[Experienced Defender]

5 hours ago, Sarriball14 said:

Just purely taking the squad for what it is on the game with all the transfer updates to the team

Okay  

 

On 23/10/2020 at 10:36, Sarriball14 said:

Thinking along the lines of a 4231 or a 4231DM Assuming Werner Havertz pulisic and Ziyech are going to be my main players for this save I want to get the best out of them. I’d like Havertz to be a goal threat and provider (basically I want the team built around him)

So if you want Havertz to be your focal point in a 4231, then it's logical to assume he should be played in the AMC position, because playing him in CM in a 4231 does not sound like a good idea to me.

I guess playing him as a TQ with more defensively reliable players behind him (such as Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho and the like) would make the most sense for what you want to achieve, And Werner in a simple attacking role up front (PF on attack duty looks like the most logical choice considering both his attributes and the system as a whole). 

What do you think?

[poma]

Following this, having some serious issues with Chelsea and tactics, a very unbalanced squad i think makes it hard to perform. Just like irl.

My takes at 4-3-3 (4-1-4-1) and 4-2-3-1 wide has failed big time, almost got axed 2 times.

Hope to get some new ideas from this thread 

[Sarriball14]

12 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

Okay  

 

So if you want Havertz to be your focal point in a 4231, then it's logical to assume he should be played in the AMC position, because playing him in CM in a 4231 does not sound like a good idea to me.

I guess playing him as a TQ with more defensively reliable players behind him (such as Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho and the like) would make the most sense for what you want to achieve, And Werner in a simple attacking role up front (PF on attack duty looks like the most logical choice considering both his attributes and the system as a whole). 

What do you think?

Completely agree Havertz should be played in the AMC slot in a 4231, but all of Chelsea’s wingers are best suited to the inside forward or inverted winger positions and I feel this doesn’t give Havertz the space and he’s often a ghost in games. I could be wrong about that but I just can’t find him a role where he thrives. I want the team built around him so it’s important I find the best way around this 

[Experienced Defender]

23 minutes ago, Sarriball14 said:

but all of Chelsea’s wingers are best suited to the inside forward or inverted winger positions and I feel this doesn’t give Havertz the space and he’s often a ghost in games

First, if a player is "best suited" as IF or IW, it still does not mean that you cannot play him as a standard winger. In fact, by playing a "natural" IF/IW as a winger, you can get an interesting hybrid role 

Secondly, even if you play both wide fwds as IF or IW, the TQ can have enough space to operate. You just need to set up the striker and CMs properly. 

Actually, it's easier to make him work as a TQ than SS, considering the players around him as well as the current Chelsea team in general. 

30 minutes ago, Sarriball14 said:

I want the team built around him so it’s important I find the best way around this 

Okay, but keep in mind that building a tactic entirely around a single player is always a double-edged sword. For one, what if he gets injured? Or if he needs some time to adapt, since he is new at the club. 

[Sarriball14]

9 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

First, if a player is "best suited" as IF or IW, it still does not mean that you cannot play him as a standard winger. In fact, by playing a "natural" IF/IW as a winger, you can get an interesting hybrid role 

Secondly, even if you play both wide fwds as IF or IW, the TQ can have enough space to operate. You just need to set up the striker and CMs properly. 

Actually, it's easier to make him work as a TQ than SS, considering the players around him as well as the current Chelsea team in general. 

Okay, but keep in mind that building a tactic entirely around a single player is always a double-edged sword. For one, what if he gets injured? Or if he needs some time to adapt, since he is new at the club. 

By playing both wide players as wingers they will have cross more often as a default instruction, I don’t want lots of crosses in the box. Or Will there be less crosses due to the fact they will have to cut back inside a lot to get on to their stronger foot? 
 

As for the striker I’m in no doubt it’s going to be a pressing forward role as Werner and Abraham are both natural in this position and both hard working. Havertz not so much hard working so maybe a TQ will suit him. As for the 2 centre mids I’m thinking a DLPs and a CMd both have hold position which will give more space higher up pitch. I don’t want an awful lot from these two apart from recycling possession and giving me a balance when we are in attack. Reece James crossing is amazing so im thinking FBa and I’m possibly Chilwell as an IWB on support or defend. He has run through centre as a player trait already. Thinking he could push into the DLPs position if the DLP decides to push further on in attack?
 

 

[Experienced Defender]

1 hour ago, Sarriball14 said:

By playing both wide players as wingers they will have cross more often as a default instruction, I don’t want lots of crosses in the box

I did not say that you should play both as wingers. You can play one as a winger and the other IF/IW. And I also said that you can even play both as IF/IW. 

 

1 hour ago, Sarriball14 said:

As for the striker I’m in no doubt it’s going to be a pressing forward role as Werner and Abraham are both natural in this position and both hard working. Havertz not so much hard working so maybe a TQ will suit him. As for the 2 centre mids I’m thinking a DLPs and a CMd both have hold position which will give more space higher up pitch. I don’t want an awful lot from these two apart from recycling possession and giving me a balance when we are in attack. Reece James crossing is amazing so im thinking FBa and I’m possibly Chilwell as an IWB on support or defend. He has run through centre as a player trait already

If you view roles and duties in isolation from one another, you are hardly going to create a good setup. 

Anyway, post a screenshot of how you envision the tactic you described, so that we could discuss it in more detail and look for potential weaknesses 

[Sarriball14]

1 hour ago, Experienced Defender said:

I did not say that you should play both as wingers. You can play one as a winger and the other IF/IW. And I also said that you can even play both as IF/IW. 

 

If you view roles and duties in isolation from one another, you are hardly going to create a good setup. 

Anyway, post a screenshot of how you envision the tactic you described, so that we could discuss it in more detail and look for potential weaknesses 

I will post a screenshot tonight when I’m home 

[Sarriball14]

5 hours ago, Sarriball14 said:

I will post a screenshot tonight when I’m home 

 

7 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

I did not say that you should play both as wingers. You can play one as a winger and the other IF/IW. And I also said that you can even play both as IF/IW. 

 

If you view roles and duties in isolation from one another, you are hardly going to create a good setup. 

Anyway, post a screenshot of how you envision the tactic you described, so that we could discuss it in more detail and look for potential weaknesses 

This is what ive got in mind. will test it on a few games now 

[Experienced Defender]

18 minutes ago, Sarriball14 said:

This is what ive got in mind. will test it on a few games now

Looks okay to me (except for Kepa's attack duty). But you'll need to test it anyway.