Tactical familiarity - pressing team instructions

[wazza]

There are a number of team instructions which affect the tactical familiarity of your tactic you are training and some team instructions which do not and which can be changed during a match to suit the oppostiions style of play to counteract it.

ie mentality, passing directness tempo, get stuck in/ stay on feet, attacking width etc... affect the tactical familiarity and pass into space, underlap/overlap, focus of play, type of crosses etc... do not

Does the counter press / regroup or  counter / hold shape and the Pressing intensity team instructions affect the tactical familiarity levels or are these ones that can be tweaked during a match without the players familiarity of it been affected.  For pressing intensity I read somewhere that it was only the line of engagement team instruction that affected the pressing intensity familiarity level but that was on another FM site in a blog someone did.

Can anyone advise

 

[wazza]

Can anyone offer any insight into the above or what others have found in there games when gauaging tactical familiarity and if the counterpress / regroup, counter/hold shape and pressing intensity affects the familiarity if those settings are tweaked

[Prepper_Jack]

Adjusting pressing intensity alone won't really change tactical familiarity. What does is changing the line of engagement. If you're increasing or decreasing your line of engagement by a small amount, it's likely your players will be "competent" in pressing like that, which will of course improve with training. If you change by 2-3 ticks, pressing will become awkward. Other tactical instructions don't really have an impact on pressing competence that I'm aware of. As for the other side of defense, going between "stay on feet" to "get stuck in" when you're used to a tight marking game can instantly make marking very awkward.

If you ordinarily have, say, a patient possession game with a side of marking, and want to switch to a gegenpress during a match, you might want to consider training up a second tactic and switching to it when the need arises.

[GreenTriangle]

What does familiarity mean? A player can play at his maximum level of his (mental ?) attributes in a certain tactical configuration. There are instructions that probably do not affect the level of those attributes. And there are probably come extremely complex instructions (counter press, regroup, counter, hold shape) that can be affected, but not directly. They can be affected if the level of familiarity with the mentality and the various offensive and defensive instructions is not high enough. Also, a high level of familiarity does not mean that player will play at a maximum level if the combination of his personal attributes is not adequate to perform certain tasks.

[wazza]

On 23/06/2020 at 01:09, Prepper_Jack said:

Adjusting pressing intensity alone won't really change tactical familiarity. What does is changing the line of engagement. If you're increasing or decreasing your line of engagement by a small amount, it's likely your players will be "competent" in pressing like that, which will of course improve with training. If you change by 2-3 ticks, pressing will become awkward.

So if you play a high defensive line during a game to counter direct passes and the next game the opponent had quick small technical strikers so you wanted to lower the defensive line you could without it impacting tactical familiarity as long as the line of engagement was not changed  or would you have to train a second tactic with a lower defensive line.

  If this is the case and you can only train 3 tactics to become familiar with this would mean only 1 formation could be used where you had a tactic designed for counteracting direct passess (high DL) or quick strikers (low DL) as the third tactic would use a second formation and it would not be able to be trained to counteract both high DL or low DL so you as a manager would have to make a choice at the start of the season.  But if you had an opponent who conceded more goals against your 3rd tactic and you wished to use it, you only could if your opponent played in the way you had trained to counter direct or quick strikers.  

If the DL affects the tactical familiarity and also as we know counters Direct passes or quick strikers depending upon where it is positioned and the manager wanted to use a second formation it should be 4 tactics that are trained to gain tactical familiarity.

1 formation 1 HDL ( Counter Direct passes)

2 formation 1 LDL (Counter quick strikers)

3 formation 2 HDL (Counter Direct passes)

4 formation 2 LDL (Counter quick strikers)

So Im guessing as we can train only 3 the DL does not come into account when looking at gaining familiarity.

Anyone with any experience or thoughts to add to this or advise?

[wazza]

10 hours ago, wazza said:

So if you play a high defensive line during a game to counter direct passes and the next game the opponent had quick small technical strikers so you wanted to lower the defensive line you could without it impacting tactical familiarity as long as the line of engagement was not changed  or would you have to train a second tactic with a lower defensive line.

  If this is the case and you can only train 3 tactics to become familiar with this would mean only 1 formation could be used where you had a tactic designed for counteracting direct passess (high DL) or quick strikers (low DL) as the third tactic would use a second formation and it would not be able to be trained to counteract both high DL or low DL so you as a manager would have to make a choice at the start of the season.  But if you had an opponent who conceded more goals against your 3rd tactic and you wished to use it, you only could if your opponent played in the way you had trained to counter direct or quick strikers.  

If the DL affects the tactical familiarity and also as we know counters Direct passes or quick strikers depending upon where it is positioned and the manager wanted to use a second formation it should be 4 tactics that are trained to gain tactical familiarity.

1 formation 1 HDL ( Counter Direct passes)

2 formation 1 LDL (Counter quick strikers)

3 formation 2 HDL (Counter Direct passes)

4 formation 2 LDL (Counter quick strikers)

So Im guessing as we can train only 3 the DL does not come into account when looking at gaining familiarity.

Anyone with any experience or thoughts to add to this or advise?

Anyone any thoughts on the above?

[Prepper_Jack]

55 minutes ago, wazza said:

Anyone any thoughts on the above?

It's not the Defensive Line that mucks with tactical familiarity, it's the Line of Engagement. You can change where your defensive line sits while in a match, and it won't confound your players whatsoever.

Yes, it's best to set up your tactics at the beginning of the season, and not change them too much. My personal preference is to have one tactic for counter-attacks with a lower line of engagement that allows a bit more space to open up in the back, and two possession tactics - often with one to move wingers into a striker position to go narrow and overload the opposition defense.