Bilbaoboy Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Been wanting to do a save over there for ages but i can't settle on a team. thing is i know absolutely nothing about 90 percent of the teams Tried googling but it's hard to find what i am after, i want a comprehensive breakdown of all the teams Besides that, is it a difficult league to manage in? i imagine Copa Lib i quite easy because the Superliga is so much better than Colombian, Uruguay and Peruvian leagues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quee Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) I did a Huracan save in FM08 (when Pastore was there) and I loved it. Such a cool name for a football team, don't you think? This of course played a factor back then Spoiler I enjoyed the Apertura and Clausura split format back then, it was unique and new to me. I think it is a normal, standard league now? Not sure how it is now competitively, this would be an interesting thread to read and follow. Might come back and do one myself in the future. Edited May 7, 2020 by quee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I love playing in the Argentine League and it can be complex to understand. The league has gone through so many format changes recently that year on year its a new look. The toughest part is the competitiveness, at the beginning at least as alot of teams are close in terms of talent.. bar the obvious River/Boca but even they can fall into the mix as there are plenty of big clubs in the league. The Libertadores will probably pit you against the bigger Brazilian clubs down the line, but if you can, run all South American leagues in the game to get a full picture of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Argentine_Primera_División Thats a good place to start as to how the league is structured. The exciting part is picking a team that has a 'Clasico', its not just River/Boca but you have NOB/Rosario, Independiente/Racing and many more that can be a nice sideline to how your save goes. As for teams, is there anything you look at in particular? Generally each team produces a decent intake of youth, thats part and parcel of Argentine football. If you are looking for a sleeping giant? Team with money (pretty limited, but sales long term will be your friend there) etc ill try to help. There is alot of fun to be had in Argentina, might even go back there myself now 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, bestbrother said: I love playing in the Argentine League and it can be complex to understand. The league has gone through so many format changes recently that year on year its a new look. The toughest part is the competitiveness, at the beginning at least as alot of teams are close in terms of talent.. bar the obvious River/Boca but even they can fall into the mix as there are plenty of big clubs in the league. The Libertadores will probably pit you against the bigger Brazilian clubs down the line, but if you can, run all South American leagues in the game to get a full picture of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Argentine_Primera_División Thats a good place to start as to how the league is structured. The exciting part is picking a team that has a 'Clasico', its not just River/Boca but you have NOB/Rosario, Independiente/Racing and many more that can be a nice sideline to how your save goes. As for teams, is there anything you look at in particular? Generally each team produces a decent intake of youth, thats part and parcel of Argentine football. If you are looking for a sleeping giant? Team with money (pretty limited, but sales long term will be your friend there) etc ill try to help. There is alot of fun to be had in Argentina, might even go back there myself now Hi mate thanks for the reply, I like teams that have a biggish fanatical fan base but aren't a giant, Like a Betis or Napoli. Also like those two it has to be the working class underdog side out of the (usually 2 city clubs) I also like the teams that are slightly remote so you are representing a region that's why Atletico Tucuman stood out early for me as they play in Argentina Kit and are right up north Colon Santa fe also caught my eye there stadium and pitch look emaculate by Argentine standards and i noticed most of the squad are Colon supporters and they have a few nice prospects Atletico Rafaella was another no reason i just like the name but there team is really poor they would be hard work. Racing Club look like the obvious one but they could be to easy they are brimming with talent and have a good set up but i love their fans they are proper nutters and the thing with the dead cats was hilarious 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Independiente, Racing's rivals are a big story to rebuild on the Continental Stage. They won the Libertadores 7 times, including 4 on the spin. Most of the known teams are in and around Buenos Aries. You have the La Plata duo of Estudiantes and Gimnasia (Maradonas club) who have a great rivalry... maybe trying to better Estudiantes as Gimnasia is a challenge to take on? Tucuman would be an interesting take, like you say, try and break the dominance of the bigger clubs. As you say, their stadiums and fans are so unique its what I love about them. A few years back all the Primera games were live on Youtube every week which was brilliant. Sadly that stopped, but it was a way into it all. I even watch documentaries about the teams in Spanish, not that I know the language, I just enjoy the atmosphere of it all! Would love to hear how you get on and who you choose 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 23 hours ago, bestbrother said: Independiente, Racing's rivals are a big story to rebuild on the Continental Stage. They won the Libertadores 7 times, including 4 on the spin. Most of the known teams are in and around Buenos Aries. You have the La Plata duo of Estudiantes and Gimnasia (Maradonas club) who have a great rivalry... maybe trying to better Estudiantes as Gimnasia is a challenge to take on? Tucuman would be an interesting take, like you say, try and break the dominance of the bigger clubs. As you say, their stadiums and fans are so unique its what I love about them. A few years back all the Primera games were live on Youtube every week which was brilliant. Sadly that stopped, but it was a way into it all. I even watch documentaries about the teams in Spanish, not that I know the language, I just enjoy the atmosphere of it all! Would love to hear how you get on and who you choose It is definitely a league i am going to spend more interest in the future, i've had the conversation a few times with people in that the English Prem is just all a bit too much now, players and clubs with more money than they don't know what to do with and players swanning around not trying taking clubs down while cashing their cheques, also the fan atmosphere is hugely over rated Spain has a good standard but fans don't travel away and atmosphere is a bit tame, Italy was the best but has been in hard times and is still re building maybe one day Argentina seems untainted the players are genuinely playing for the shirts and there will always be a good standard because they naturally produce quality players. Even the ones who move to Europe for the ££ seem to want to move back as soon as they get the chance Deco said he would trade his 2 champions Leagues for 1 Liberatodore i think that say's a lot 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 The passion in Argentina and South America as a whole is off the scale compared to Europe. And you are right, money hasnt really ruined their teams.. there are the massive clubs in each country who win more often than not, but thats part of the intrigue in many ways. Argentina has the obvious big 2, but until recently (Boca have dominated in the past 5 years) there is usually a different Champion every year. Its an exciting league, its not a closed book and the Libertadores is full of stories and hope that a team from any of the nations can have a good run in it. Enjoy it whoever you take on 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 Have you read the book Angels with Dirty Faces? I might buy it to get a better flavour of it all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 7 Edited December 16, 2020 by Bilbaoboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 08/05/2020 at 23:15, bestbrother said: The passion in Argentina and South America as a whole is off the scale compared to Europe. And you are right, money hasnt really ruined their teams.. there are the massive clubs in each country who win more often than not, but thats part of the intrigue in many ways. Argentina has the obvious big 2, but until recently (Boca have dominated in the past 5 years) there is usually a different Champion every year. Its an exciting league, its not a closed book and the Libertadores is full of stories and hope that a team from any of the nations can have a good run in it. Enjoy it whoever you take on After a very long delay i' have finally fired up the Superliga- Maybe the death of Diego has inspired me to pay my respects in my own way Copa Lib is this Thursday as well so i want to get in the spirit In the end although i didn't want to pick an obvious 'Big 5 ' team i kept coming back to Racing Club- they are just the team that has always caught my eye in terms of the kit and just the name Racing has a good ring to it, also quick google showed Diego did in fact manage there once and i trust his taste in Clubs so they must have something about them Media prediction is 4th so upfront the challenge doesn't seem too difficult but the squad isn't amazing (loads of ball wining midfielders) but defence Aand wingers are very average and i started with 400k and minus 10k wages so plenty to do One thing that caught my eye when i went on the south america financial rankings is that only 2 Argentine teams are in the top 15 for turnover Boca/River but the Brazilian teams are streets ahead about 40m and ourselves are on 2m which is the equivalent to bottom half Scottish SPL teams So my aim isn't just to win but to try and generate some serious cash and if i can be kind and spend it within the league to help our brothers out One little trick i've already tacked onto is offering my wonderkids out on loan with large monthly fees and i'm getting plenty of takers and in some cases much better leagues, so i get the double wammy of making a million in loan fees while they develop in a better league No played a league game yet but backroom staff are in place an i'm still getting to know the squad 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMunderachiever Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Racing Club is a great team to try, you could also try Velez who have great youth too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 7 hours ago, FMunderachiever said: Racing Club is a great team to try, you could also try Velez who have great youth too Yeah i've bought so many players from them in the past but i thought they might be a bit easy, Also i heard something about their ultra's that put me off, can't remember exactly either they are really fickle or have crap atmosphere by Argentine standards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevaggel Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Started a save with Estudiantes, the argentinian league rules are weird... Since i am not familiar do you know why all teams have 0 points in the "average points" for the 2019/20 season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The league was suspended after 23 rounds and never finished the season. So I think its a way of not including the results in the relegation table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rik Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I played with Velez on FM20 and I stumbled over a possible problem. Since I only loaded the South American leagues and no big leagues in Europe I did not get almost any bid for my best players which made the whole team a luxury problem after a few seasons. I only got a very few bid which was big under bids as well that I did not accept. With all that talent coming thru I made it quite boring to choose between selling the best players very very cheap or have a too big squad. Have you experienced anything similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 hours ago, 3rik said: I played with Velez on FM20 and I stumbled over a possible problem. Since I only loaded the South American leagues and no big leagues in Europe I did not get almost any bid for my best players which made the whole team a luxury problem after a few seasons. I only got a very few bid which was big under bids as well that I did not accept. With all that talent coming thru I made it quite boring to choose between selling the best players very very cheap or have a too big squad. Have you experienced anything similar? I suppose that can be a problem, personally when I play over there I load all South American leagues, sometimes the Mexican as they often spend big money there and then the Top 5 European Leagues (top flights). You tend to get bids coming in from those leagues which does mix it up a bit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 20 hours ago, kevaggel said: Started a save with Estudiantes, the argentinian league rules are weird... Since i am not familiar do you know why all teams have 0 points in the "average points" for the 2019/20 season ? I thought they would still include 19/20 and from what I can read (in the sparse English language bits) they should be included. BUT what the AFA did do is stop any relegation from that season. Maybe an Argentine could confirm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteinkelssonFM Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 For me it would have to be Club Atletico Huracan, as soon as you see the stadium you'll know why. They also have a relatively young squad and you can start without big expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevaggel Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, MattyLewis11 said: as soon as you see the stadium you'll know why. It was an FM18 save, the interesting part was that their club vision was to play direct and defensive football. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteinkelssonFM Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Check this out https://www.instagram.com/p/CCHSTemFzEe/?igshid=qa2xnggij2oc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevaggel Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I finished 8th in the first season, i am totally rebuilding the squad... hoping the board will allow me to do it. I am trying to bring an anti-football philosophy that i like to call "gegenfouling", meaning that every player with low aggression-bravery-work rate will leave the club. Also doing it without using strikers is making it even more interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 On 17/12/2020 at 07:53, 3rik said: I played with Velez on FM20 and I stumbled over a possible problem. Since I only loaded the South American leagues and no big leagues in Europe I did not get almost any bid for my best players which made the whole team a luxury problem after a few seasons. I only got a very few bid which was big under bids as well that I did not accept. With all that talent coming thru I made it quite boring to choose between selling the best players very very cheap or have a too big squad. Have you experienced anything similar? Yeah you have to add the bigger European leagues not only for selling but bringing back those old timer Legends Also quite a few Argentine wonderkids in the Academies in the big leagues you can loan back Turkey, Mex, USA are all rich marks who will pay top whack even for average players you just want to shift 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Been trying to get a save going in Argentina for a few versions. Keep running into the same issue as the OP - can't settle on a club. Feel like I do have a decent knowledge of Argentina and its history - I've read "Angels with Dirty Faces" by Jonathan Wilson plus I listen to some podcasts that cover the country pretty well. I've taken to managing in South America in recent FMs, but mostly Colombia and Brazil. Never got very far with Argentine saves. On FM19, Teach's save with Argentinos Juniors turned my attentions to that club. They are quite intriguing. Good youth setup and they have a Club Vision of having the best youth system in the country. They developed Maradona and Fernando Redondo, among many other talented players. With the recent passing of Maradona, it seemed fitting so I started up a save with them. But it didn't take long to realize it wasn't grabbing me. Weirdly, it felt too easy. Loads of good young players. Some pretty good oldheads. But I also got a bit annoyed at managing to resign two of those top prospects to new deals that required me to promise to loan them out, when both would have pretty regular first team players. So back to trolling through the clubs and hoping something catches my eye... Banfield, Newell's Old Boys, Huracan, Estudientes... but I settled on Rosario Central. Can't even really explain why. They have a bit of a history but not really like Estudientes or AAAJ have, let alone a grande. They have a couple prospects but it is not a strong squad. Maybe I like the colors? The badge? I saw someone do a save with them on FM20 or maybe 19 and they were developing some truly monster newgen prospects. I also saw them get relegated on an FM20 save in Brazil. So I guess I'm "saving them". Its off to a flier so far. Won 5-1 in the first competitive match, which was a cup tie. And then the game froze so I had to replay it. Was sure it was going to be a loss but we won again 4-0. Tough slate to start the league season - Boca away in the opener and River Plate in round 4. Stole a 3-2 win at La Bombanera and was feeling pretty slick... then had a scoreless draw at home to Patronato. Making sure you have some leagues loaded that will provide stealable-newgens (basically everywhere else in South America except Brazil) and ones in Europe (and China) that will pay top dollar for the young players you develop. Its looking like it should be a fun save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Yeah im the same, I load all South America... I do add Mexico as well, they often spend money in South America, plus the Top EU leagues. Im probably going to try revive a club in Primera B this year.... when I get into an Argentine save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsd Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Argentina is probably my favourite place to manage. I've had a Belgrano save every year for the past 3 or 4 versions of FM, I've just started the FM21 iteration today. Since I've started playing as them they've been relegated, struggled to get out of the second tier and lost a whole load of great prospects, so every year it's a little bit different. I love Argentina because the structure changes quite a lot over the first few seasons and I never have any idea what to expect. Belgrano are a great option for anyone looking to really rebuild a club, too. Not a traditionally big club, 3rd place finish in 2012/13 but since relegated, decent facilities, good colours, 30k stadium. I also like that they're based outside of Buenos Aires, as there is such a concentration of BA clubs so it's nice to try and break the hold the capital has on Argentine football. There's also an inter-city derby with Talleres once you get promoted to the top tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbaoboy Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 23/12/2020 at 05:20, Bigpapa42 said: Been trying to get a save going in Argentina for a few versions. Keep running into the same issue as the OP - can't settle on a club. Feel like I do have a decent knowledge of Argentina and its history - I've read "Angels with Dirty Faces" by Jonathan Wilson plus I listen to some podcasts that cover the country pretty well. I've taken to managing in South America in recent FMs, but mostly Colombia and Brazil. Never got very far with Argentine saves. On FM19, Teach's save with Argentinos Juniors turned my attentions to that club. They are quite intriguing. Good youth setup and they have a Club Vision of having the best youth system in the country. They developed Maradona and Fernando Redondo, among many other talented players. With the recent passing of Maradona, it seemed fitting so I started up a save with them. But it didn't take long to realize it wasn't grabbing me. Weirdly, it felt too easy. Loads of good young players. Some pretty good oldheads. But I also got a bit annoyed at managing to resign two of those top prospects to new deals that required me to promise to loan them out, when both would have pretty regular first team players. So back to trolling through the clubs and hoping something catches my eye... Banfield, Newell's Old Boys, Huracan, Estudientes... but I settled on Rosario Central. Can't even really explain why. They have a bit of a history but not really like Estudientes or AAAJ have, let alone a grande. They have a couple prospects but it is not a strong squad. Maybe I like the colors? The badge? I saw someone do a save with them on FM20 or maybe 19 and they were developing some truly monster newgen prospects. I also saw them get relegated on an FM20 save in Brazil. So I guess I'm "saving them". Its off to a flier so far. Won 5-1 in the first competitive match, which was a cup tie. And then the game froze so I had to replay it. Was sure it was going to be a loss but we won again 4-0. Tough slate to start the league season - Boca away in the opener and River Plate in round 4. Stole a 3-2 win at La Bombanera and was feeling pretty slick... then had a scoreless draw at home to Patronato. Making sure you have some leagues loaded that will provide stealable-newgens (basically everywhere else in South America except Brazil) and ones in Europe (and China) that will pay top dollar for the young players you develop. Its looking like it should be a fun save. That Rosario caught my eye as well I think with like 85 percent of the teams being from Buenos Aires it feels a bit like managing a London Club which i am not keen on, i prefer the smaller provincial cities that still have a strong fan base I always think if you are managing in or around the bigger Cities that you get a luxury of getting cast offs from bigger clubs and i like the idea of being a bit cut off from society and developing players from that region I get what you mean about not really being able to get into the save i really want to the fan culture, type of people Argentines are and the types of players they produce are right up my alley but i think it might be the Copa Libertadores, In Europe there are 3/4 leagues battling out to be the best of the best and maybe five or 6 if you got going with a Benfica or so but in South America it really is only between Argentina and Brazil so even if you take an average team you are still in 1 of the 2 Super Leagues so are always going to be a 'Bully' club continentally I need to watch more stuff and i am definitely interested in that Book, are there any interesting tid bits that make an obscure club that bit more interesting? Newells , River and Independiente are out for me they were all involved in a nasty little scandal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 26/12/2020 at 17:33, Bilbaoboy said: That Rosario caught my eye as well I think with like 85 percent of the teams being from Buenos Aires it feels a bit like managing a London Club which i am not keen on, i prefer the smaller provincial cities that still have a strong fan base I always think if you are managing in or around the bigger Cities that you get a luxury of getting cast offs from bigger clubs and i like the idea of being a bit cut off from society and developing players from that region I get what you mean about not really being able to get into the save i really want to the fan culture, type of people Argentines are and the types of players they produce are right up my alley but i think it might be the Copa Libertadores, In Europe there are 3/4 leagues battling out to be the best of the best and maybe five or 6 if you got going with a Benfica or so but in South America it really is only between Argentina and Brazil so even if you take an average team you are still in 1 of the 2 Super Leagues so are always going to be a 'Bully' club continentally I need to watch more stuff and i am definitely interested in that Book, are there any interesting tid bits that make an obscure club that bit more interesting? Newells , River and Independiente are out for me they were all involved in a nasty little scandal Rosario are interesting. I liked that they aren't overly loaded down with prospects (such a burden!) and have decent talent in-house. I've done better than expected but the money is an issue. Basically, we're bleeding money quite badly. But honestly, pretty much every club in Argentina that's currently in the top flight has some interesting history. Because they ran the split season for a long time, a lot of smaller clubs have won a championship. Lots of clubs have a legendary player or two, or some amazing moments. The whole history of Argentine football is quite interesting - Wilson ties is quite directly to the national identity of the nation, both real and mythological. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Hopefully I can join you guys soon! It looks mighty tough to get promoted from the Primera Nacional. Banfield with back-to-back relegations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalker1993 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Has anyone got any tactical or transfer recommendations? I'm due to start an Argentinian network game with some mates tomorrow evening and I've been drawn to manage Gimnasia. Been a long time since I've managed in Argentina and very much looking forward to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, jwalker1993 said: Has anyone got any tactical or transfer recommendations? I'm due to start an Argentinian network game with some mates tomorrow evening and I've been drawn to manage Gimnasia. Been a long time since I've managed in Argentina and very much looking forward to it. If you got the money sign Mattias Arezo he is awesome. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rik Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Ginafranco Chavez from Peru is also a very good players whom is usually in the last year of his contract. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevaggel Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 The interesting part of managing an Argentinian team is that you have to sell players in order to keep the club alive. Finally after 2 years of developing players and going into 13mil in debt (without buying any players) i managed to sell players for a good fee to European clubs. That Sarmiento who went to Norwich is a wonderkid and IRL Manchester City is looking at him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 The history of Argentine football would inspire anyone to take up the challenge in FM. So many great coaches have left a mark on the game in the country, and the ideological struggle between total football and the dirtier, more pragmatic stuff, made famous by Zubeldia at Estudiantes, is an added incentive. You can help wage the battle for one of these approaches and become the next Bielsa or Simeone. **** it. I'm going to start a save in Argentina. I'll probably get sacked early on, but it will be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Currently running as Barracas Central in Primera B... the aim? To create the dirtiest team in football. Well on our way, but we have just seen Franco Cangele retire... he collected 6 reds in our 2 seasons so far Searching out the next bunch of South American Animals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, bestbrother said: Currently running as Barracas Central in Primera B... the aim? To create the dirtiest team in football. Well on our way, but we have just seen Franco Cangele retire... he collected 6 reds in our 2 seasons so far Searching out the next bunch of South American Animals Was there not a keeper in Chile who was a ****ing animal? Johnny Herrera or something? He might be retired now, but he'd punch anything that moved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Arevalo Rios, Uruguay midfielder, played on loan for Boca. Is he still kicking about? If memory serves, he liked a good leg breaking tackle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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