deejay10 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Hello everyone, I recently returned to FM after a long hiatus due to the lockdown. I'm looking to re-create Lucian Favre's fast, fluid short passing counter attacking system in FM19. I understand it the tactics creators for FM19 and FM20 are similar so maybe you can still help me? Lucian Favre took over Gladbach in Feb 2011 when they were bottom with only 16 points and 7 points adrift of safety. They struggled but were able to stay up by beating Bochum in the relegation playoffs. The year after in 2011-12, Favre led the Foals to fourth place, securing a Champions League spot. The year after after that, in 12-13, they didn't qualify for the Europa League, struggling after they sold their best players such as Reus and finishing 8th. in 13-14 they recovered slightly after signing Brazilian shadow striker Raffael, finishing 6th. In 14-15, after adding the likes of Yann Sommer, Thorgan Hazard and Max Kruse, they finished 3rd. Onto the tactics... I shall spare you all the long-winded analysis, but you can find it here: http://www.just-football.com/2015/03/how-borussia-moenchengladbach-became-the-bundesliga-surprise-package/ https://www.deeplyingpodcast.co.uk/tactics/deep-lying-gegenpressing-gladbach/ Let's start with a list of key propensities of their playing style. Formation Favre's Gladbach typically lined up in a 4-4-2 with two banks of four, and two strikers Their full-backs were not typical modern-day adventurous players who gets to the byline to cross. Rather, they favoured getting involved in the build-up play instead and link up especially well with their corresponding wide midfielder They typically played with a double pivot in central midfield, one ball winner and one deeper lying playmaker with good passing (before he moved to Arsenal this was Xhaka) Their wide midfielders had a lot of pace, and got forward to support or make runs beyond the strikers. When they had a wide playmaker type player (like Juan Arango or Thorgan Hazard) one wide midfielder would be less adventurous, while the other would play higher up Both wide midfielders sat narrow and attacked the half spaces, pressing fullbacks but also tracking them back They played with two withdrawn strikers who would drop off and press the midfield, providing a compact shape to cut off the opposition's passing lanes and forcing them to go wide Defending The Foals were a counter attacking side, with a moderate defensive line absorbing pressure Generally they preferred to sit narrow and concede space on the flanks, where their full backs often sat deep with their central defenders They had their defensive midfielders sit together as a tight-knit pair while the wide midfielders positioned themselves in the higher half space to either press the opposition defensive midfielder or the full back. Unlike the aggressive pressing of German teams like Schmidt's Leverkusen and Klopp and Tuchel's Dortmund, Gladbach deployed a deeper form of gegenpressing. They typically looked to frustrate the opposition by absorbing pressure with good defensive positioning that attempts to channel the play out wide to the touch-line. Favre preferred his players to form a compact system rather than create holes in the team’s shape. Therefore, the only players tasked in counter pressing were the strikers, the wide midfielders and the full-back if found in that zone. Attacking They played a high tempo short passing game, with lots of one twos and and roaming from position They looked to draw the opposition out of position before playing a through ball into space They had lots of runners from deep, particularly during counter attacks After winning the ball in their half they tended to launch a fast-paced counter attack looking at exploiting the flanks with a swift ball into the centre, using the pace of their fast wingers like Patrick Herrmann Here's how the typical formation looked: And here are a couple of videos that demonstrate their playing style: As you can see they counter attacked with fast, short passing, playing one-twos until they could create the space for a through ball. They had lots of runners from deep streaming forward to attack the box. Translating this into FM I've managed to re-create the tactic in older FMs (FM14, FM15) by using Counter-Rigid and Counter-Balanced. Formation was usually SK/D, WB/S, CD/D, CD/D, FB/S, WM/A, CM/D, DLP/S, WM/S, DF/S, DLF/S. But I'm struggling to re-create this for FM19. Here's my attempt with Hertha Berlin. Based on the above descriptions: Balanced mentality seems to match the description of Favre's Gladbach No pass into space as Gladbach typically only did this on counter attacks Defend narrower, tighter marking, more urgent pressing to emulate the limited form of Gegenpressing Counter, counter press and distribute to flanks to re-create the fast counters Wide midfielders have sit narrower, roam from position and get further forward Full backs with stay wider to provide width Centre mids with hold position Often add in play out from defence and more direct passing Sometimes move the left sided ST into AM-strata as AM/A In matches though: The defence is mostly solid overall but can end up camped on the edge of the area pinned in by the opposition Really struggling to play out from defence into midfield against high pressing teams - resulting in CBs or GK clearing the ball to the opposition to invite more waves of attack Not winning the ball back as much in midfield - teams can play around the press The inability to beat the press means we don't generate that many counter attacks The tempo when not counter attacking seems slow, with not many one-twos. However adding 'higher tempo' can result in the team giving the ball away too much Against more defensive teams the team ends up passing it on the edge of the area, ending up with either a blocked cross from a full back/winger or a long shot We score most of our goals from crosses from the wingers Can anyone who has created a similar tactic help me with this emulation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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