Mikel Arteta - Arsenal 2019/20

[Yoeri]

How can I train my players to pass the ball quicker when we are in a low posession play and we can break through the offensive oppossition's players?

[Experienced Defender]

4 hours ago, Yoeri said:

How can I train my players to pass the ball quicker when we are in a low posession play

What exactly do you mean by "low possession play" ???

[Yoeri]

46 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

What exactly do you mean by "low possession play" ???

I meant in the build-up phase.

[Experienced Defender]

42 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

I meant in the build-up phase

Okay 

But I still don't understand whether you are asking for training advice or tactical advice. Because you wrote this: 

6 hours ago, Yoeri said:

How can I train my players to pass the ball quicker

 

[Yoeri]

23 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

Okay 

But I still don't understand whether you are asking for training advice or tactical advice. Because you wrote this: 

 

Both. How to create more space and how can I train my players to pass the ball quicker in the build-up play.

[Experienced Defender]

1 minute ago, Yoeri said:

Both. How to create more space and how can I train my players to pass the ball quicker in the build-up play

You cannot train the players to pass the ball quicker. Instead, you can train them to improve their passing attribute (along with the first touch and technique) so that they would be able to play quicker passes more effectively.

For the tactical part of your question, I would first need to see a screenshot of your tactic. So please post the screenshot 

[Yoeri]

29 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

You cannot train the players to pass the ball quicker. Instead, you can train them to improve their passing attribute (along with the first touch and technique) so that they would be able to play quicker passes more effectively.

For the tactical part of your question, I would first need to see a screenshot of your tactic. So please post the screenshot 

It is still work in progress. I'd love to create a mix of Guardiola (at Bayern/Barcelona/Man City) and Arteta (at Arsenal).  

Pablo Marí  would normally be at LCB. David Luiz at RCB. I am trying to develop Guendouzi in the same player Frenkie de Jong was at Ajax. He's vital in the build-up play.

[Yoeri]

I want to use the build-up phase to outsmart my opponent through the middle, but still my players are deciding to do otherwise, while they have plenty of space to plaay in through. Do I need to train his decisions and even train my players to play out of defence by a prefered movement?

(VCR) Holding has 12 passing and 13 decisions but his prefered role is ball playing defender which I play him in and has no PPM.
(VCL)Pau Torres 13 passing and 13 decisions and is also used to play in BPD and has no PPM in this subject.

I doesn't feel Man City is putting enough pressure on my, so I feel it's about the ratings of these attributes and the PPM.

 

1.  2. 

3.  4. 

@Experienced Defender

[Experienced Defender]

On 04/04/2020 at 20:12, Yoeri said:

Sorry, I really don't know how I have missed this post. I guess it was an extremely busy day on the forum when you posted it.

Anyway, you'll unfortunately have to post a new screenshot in English, because I cannot understand the language in this one. 

[Yoeri]

@Experienced Defender

[Experienced Defender]

11 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

@Experienced Defender

I think you need to make changes to this tactic before anything else. It does not look well-balanced at all. 

[Yoeri]

My problem. I had changed these settings due my analysis against City in min 74th because of the players movement map. 

Pépé is normally at support, Aubameyang on attack, Willock at support and Bellerin at attack.

@Experienced Defender

[Experienced Defender]

36 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

My problem. I had changed these settings due my analysis against City in min 74th because of the players movement map. 

Pépé is normally at support, Aubameyang on attack, Willock at support and Bellerin at attack

Okay, but there is more. You cannot look at things in isolation. I know how I would set up these players, but I guess you would prefer to figure that out yourself.

[Yoeri]

2 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

Okay, but there is more. You cannot look at things in isolation. I know how I would set up these players, but I guess you would prefer to figure that out yourself.

Alright. But what about the build-up I posted? Your opinion about that would be great.

[Experienced Defender]

5 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

But what about the build-up I posted? Your opinion about that would be great

I see that you are using 2 playmakers very close to each other), but at the same time have both CBs as BPDs, which contradicts each other. If you want to play with a more possession-oriented approach and build the play up in that way, then you definitely should not use 2 BPDs and AP on attack duty. 

[Experienced Defender]

And definitely not SK on attack duty.

[Yoeri]

41 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

I see that you are using 2 playmakers very close to each other), but at the same time have both CBs as BPDs, which contradicts each other. If you want to play with a more possession-oriented approach and build the play up in that way, then you definitely should not use 2 BPDs and AP on attack duty. 

What are your arguments about that? I play the AP on support.

[Experienced Defender]

45 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

What are your arguments about that?

BPD is hard-coded to play more adventurously when it comes to passing style than standard CB, so he will tend to play more direct and long passes forward whenever possible, thus skipping the midfield. If you want your CBs to play like that, why would you then use a deep playmaker at all (let alone 2 of them)? One BPD is not a bad idea (if you want a bit more progressive possession style). But 2 make no sense if your idea is to build up from the back through a playmaker. 

 

52 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

I play the AP on support

If you use an AP, then you essentially do not need another PM (DLP) so close to him, because you are creating a tactical overkill that tends to slow play down too much. You are sacrificing penetration for the sake of (too much) creation and organization. 

[Yoeri]

17 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

BPD is hard-coded to play more adventurously when it comes to passing style than standard CB, so he will tend to play more direct and long passes forward whenever possible, thus skipping the midfield. If you want your CBs to play like that, why would you then use a deep playmaker at all (let alone 2 of them)? One BPD is not a bad idea (if you want a bit more progressive possession style). But 2 make no sense if your idea is to build up from the back through a playmaker. 

 

If you use an AP, then you essentially do not need another PM (DLP) so close to him, because you are creating a tactical overkill that tends to slow play down too much. You are sacrificing penetration for the sake of (too much) creation and organization. 

I see your points. I think I play with AP and DLP because I want Guendouzi to dribble like FdJ into the midfield to break through lines and Özil because he is my only decent playmaker and he is not a good finisher. In the future I'd like to have a more dynamic player with great finishing skills.

[Djuicer]

3 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

I see your points. I think I play with AP and DLP because I want Guendouzi to dribble like FdJ into the midfield to break through lines and Özil because he is my only decent playmaker and he is not a good finisher. In the future I'd like to have a more dynamic player with great finishing skills.

If özil is the only good playmaker, why use two? To get a player acting like FDJ you need the PPMs and similar attributes.

[retrodude09]

10 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

I see your points. I think I play with AP and DLP because I want Guendouzi to dribble like FdJ into the midfield to break through lines and Özil because he is my only decent playmaker and he is not a good finisher. In the future I'd like to have a more dynamic player with great finishing skills.

Wouldn't using a less static role make more sense if you want Guendouzi to play like Frenkie De Jong? Box-to-Box midfielder perhaps & like @Djuicer said - a player with similar PPMs - I would imagine having a player who "runs with ball often" would be key here...

[Yoeri]

@Djuicer @retrodude09 I don't know yet. You guys can have it right. I am trying to create Guendouzi into a more FdJ type of player with a good agile dribble. I am learning him the PPM: likes to have the ball on his feet. (I don't know the exact ppm in English)

Important is that I want my '6' to break through the offensive line of the opponent, when we are in the build-up. So I play out of the opponents press.

[Djuicer]

18 minutes ago, Yoeri said:

@Djuicer @retrodude09 I don't know yet. You guys can have it right. I am trying to create Guendouzi into a more FdJ type of player with a good agile dribble. I am learning him the PPM: likes to have the ball on his feet. (I don't know the exact ppm in English)

Important is that I want my '6' to break through the offensive line of the opponent, when we are in the build-up. So I play out of the opponents press.

*Brings ball out of defense

*Runs with all often 

*Comes deep to collect ball

*Dictates tempo

*Runs with the ball through the centre

*Plays one-twos

This are desirable traits. The one you are devloping is fine too.

 

The roles most suited for this are probably RPM, Regista and segundo volante (in an asymetric formation). The DLPs can work too with good PPMs.

[Yoeri]

@Djuicer Thanks mate. Do you have any videos of screenshot of your build-up play? Are you playing the same number 6?

I also train Plays one-two's, I think it's vital for every central player.

[Djuicer]

2 hours ago, Yoeri said:

@Djuicer Thanks mate. Do you have any videos of screenshot of your build-up play? Are you playing the same number 6?

I also train Plays one-two's, I think it's vital for every central player.

I have no footage avalible at this time. Which version of the tactic are you currently using? 
 

the 6 Im using right now is a defensive midfielder with a defend duty. Nothing like what you want to achive.

 

One-twos is handy for a lot of roles and styles.