Peacemaker7 Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 Background In 1967 Glasgow Celtic became the first British Club to win the European Cup, beating Inter Milan 2-1 in Lisbon. This was a magnificent achievement for Manager Jock Stein and his players and it was achieved with an all-out attacking style which at the time changed the face of European football (in stark contrast to the Italian's beloved and ultra-defensive "catenaccio-system"). What was all the more impressive was that all of the players in the team were Scottish; in fact they were all born within a 25-mile radius of Glasgow. Of course that was 1967 - an all-Scottish team could never win a European trophy in today's era of multi-national squads. Or could they? The Challenge 1. Take charge of Rangers, Celtic or indeed any other Scottish Club. 2. Build a 100% Scottish playing squad 3. Win either the UEFA Cup or the Champions League 4. After that (or at the same time if you wish) take charge of the Scottish National Team and achieve history by taking them to the knockout stages of the European Championship Finals and the World Cup Finals. Bonus Challenge In season 1966/67, Celtic won every competition that they entered - for the ultimate challenge, see if you can emulate that feat in a single season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Background In 1967 Glasgow Celtic became the first British Club to win the European Cup, beating Inter Milan 2-1 in Lisbon. This was a magnificent achievement for Manager Jock Stein and his players and it was achieved with an all-out attacking style which at the time changed the face of European football (in stark contrast to the Italian's beloved and ultra-defensive "catenaccio-system"). What was all the more impressive was that all of the players in the team were Scottish; in fact they were all born within a 25-mile radius of Glasgow. Of course that was 1967 - an all-Scottish team could never win a European trophy in today's era of multi-national squads. Or could they? The Challenge 1. Take charge of Rangers, Celtic or indeed any other Scottish Club. 2. Build a 100% Scottish playing squad 3. Win either the UEFA Cup or the Champions League 4. After that (or at the same time if you wish) take charge of the Scottish National Team and achieve history by taking them to the knockout stages of the European Championship Finals and the World Cup Finals. Bonus Challenge In season 1966/67, Celtic won every competition that they entered - for the ultimate challenge, see if you can emulate that feat in a single season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binny Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Well done BobBev - good challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjorn Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Congrats Bobbev, it sure is a nice challenge and maybe I will have a go at it myself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 As usual, stickied for a couple of days. Bobbev can gather the info for log to begin and then whatever happens after that, I've no idea tbh. Well done Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
displaced_seagull Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Yep, well done Bob, great challenge. Tempted to give it a go - maybe on 01/02. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gricehead Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Congrats on a great challenge BobBev. Shows that you can teach an old dog new tricks I'm now actively seeking time to play this challenge, although I feel my Caley Thistle save game may come in useful at some point... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Nice work Bob, I've never had much, if any, success with challenges but it certainly seems to have captured the forum's imaginaton! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian of Nazareth Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Great idea - I'll be giving this a shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gricehead Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Question 1 Does Scottish as a second nationality (i.e. a naturalised player) count as Scottish for the purpose of the challenge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavericktango Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I don't think it should do as the challenge says "100%" Scottish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 But doesn't that mean all the squad has to be Scottish, rather than nationality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gricehead: _Question 1_ Does Scottish as a second nationality (i.e. a naturalised player) count as Scottish for the purpose of the challenge?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Its an interesting question, because in the save im using Khizanishvili has gained a Scots nationality. Its up to Bob of course, but I'd suggest that a player be considered Scots if he hasnt been capped for another country. Assuming he's eligible of course. If he can be picked for Scotland, hes a Scot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 This is a good challenge- it was a pleasure voting for it It will be fun playing it (starting my story now). I think PM7's suggestion is a good one- as long as possible to Cap for Scotland- dual nationality should be ok- but if does Cap for another, then if you have him- he must go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated Hick Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Given how crap the Scottish front line is, I'm sure that the Scottish FA would welcome some dual nationalites capping for bonny auld Scotland. Given my experiences with Scotland,I think it will be easier toget to the knockout stages of the Euro Champ. and World Cup, both of which can be done with ingenuity and luck. Winning the Champion's League or the UEFA Cup with an all Scots team would require one to basically assemble the Scots national team on your team which requires money, time and luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 Actually there are quite a few decent Scots forwards in 0304 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Thanks for your support guys. Perhaps a few clarifications are required. 1. To follow in the Lisbon lions footsteps you need to have a 100% Scottish first team squad (first 11 plus subs) for every game of the season in which you triumph in Europe. 2. "Scottish" is taken to mean any player who is eligible to play for the national team so dual nationalities are OK just as long as the player concerned has not been capped by the "other" nation. If you continue to play a "dual" after they have gained a cap for the other side then that will invalidate the current season. Please let me know if anything else is unclear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I suppose there is no "deadline" for you to build a 100% scottish first team squad (plus subs). If it's true, then it may take a few seasons to complete:- 2. Build a 100% Scottish playing squad 3. Win either the UEFA Cup or the Champions League Which mean to say that you may get non-Scottish players to help qualify for Champions League Competition (not to win it though!)(for the first few seasons to help the club's financial situation eg: buy some below 17 non-scottish players and later sell them for millions of pounds the next season) afterwhich you may then attempt to build a 100% scottish squad and then start winning the UEFA Cup or the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Lisbon Lions Challenge Log Current Participants When We Were Lions - Faramir makes a brave attempt at the challenge with Motherwell. The Scots Are Revolting - mavericktango brings you a political slant in his attempt with Hearts. The Lisbon Lions Challenge - Andy Cullen is having a try with the Lions themselves, Celtic. We'll Just Play the Scottish Way - Terk is giving it a go with Hearts. It's Not Caley, It's Caledonian - Gricehead indulges in some time travel with Inverness Caledonian Thistle. Enid Blyton's Famous Five - Peacemaker7 goes even further forward in time as he looks to take Hibs to glory. The Parkhead Panthers - my own modest attempt using Celtic. I think that this is everyone at present but please let me know if I have missed anyone. [This message was edited by Peacemaker7 on 08 January 2004 at 17:49.] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 1. To follow in the Lisbon lions footsteps you need to have a 100% Scottish first team squad (first 11 plus subs) for every game of the season in which you triumph in Europe. Which means you may play the non-Scottish in the Scottish Premier League games ? As long as not for the Euro games rite ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tanggang: 1. To follow in the Lisbon lions footsteps you need to have a 100% Scottish first team squad (first 11 plus subs) for every game of the season in which you triumph in Europe. _Which means you may play the non-Scottish in the Scottish Premier League games ? As long as not for the Euro games rite ?_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No - I mean that every competitive game of the season must be played woth a Scottish squad if that season is to count towards the challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tanggang: I suppose there is no "deadline" for you to build a 100% scottish first team squad (plus subs). If it's true, then it may take a few seasons to complete:- 2. Build a 100% Scottish playing squad 3. Win either the UEFA Cup or the Champions League Which mean to say that you may get non-Scottish players to help qualify for Champions League Competition _(not to win it though!)_(for the first few seasons to help the club's financial situation eg: buy some below 17 non-scottish players and later sell them for millions of pounds the next season) afterwhich you may then attempt to build a 100% scottish squad and then start winning the UEFA Cup or the Champions League.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> There is absolutely no deadline and quite how the squad is built is up to each individual player. Some may prefer to go for a gradual approach and some may prefer something a little drastic. As you say, it doesn't matter who you use to qualify for Europe, it's who you use in the subsequent season that's important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Orite then, seems you have cleared any doubts that I may have. Thanks mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Buchan Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I wil be trying this with the mighty.......... ABERDEEN!!!!!!!!!! 100%Scot squad should be easy but can I play this on patch 4.1.2? Could I put the Dons International competition as the UEFA CUp to save some time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Martin Buchan: 100%Scot squad should be easy but can I play this on patch 4.1.2?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't see why not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Buchan Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 What about the competition? Can I put Aberdeen's continental competition as the UEFA Cup or do I have to qualify? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavericktango Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Why not save a lot of time and put yourself in as Champions league winners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmaattyy Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Martin Buchan: What about the competition? Can I put Aberdeen's continental competition as the UEFA Cup or do I have to qualify?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What's the point in cheating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierroth Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 The best challenge won. I'll be giving this a try soonish... Not right away as I'm expecting my new PC VERY shortly (as in the next day or two) and that should give me plenty of options - 01/02 or 03/04? Hm. And I'd think it's probably best if you qualified for a continental competition yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Martin Buchan: What about the competition? Can I put Aberdeen's continental competition as the UEFA Cup or do I have to qualify?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Generally you can do anything you see fit if it makes a good story. However, if you would like to try to claim any credit for completing the challenge then you should qualify for Europe under your own steam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 The idea of any of the challenges isnt simply to get it done as fast as possible. Mibbe take a hint from the fact its a CMS challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavericktango Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 well said. The challenge isn't about winning, it's about the story of how Scots football rose from the ashes and reclaimed the honour for Scots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz the Imp Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 This is my first post for ages First of all, congrats on this challenge, its a game that I've finally gotten into, albeit it with 00-01. Quick question though. If I have non-Scottish players in my squad but they don't appear on any match-day teamsheet does it count towards the challenge? Or do I have to rid them all before the first league game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daz the Imp: This is my first post for ages First of all, congrats on this challenge, its a game that I've finally gotten into, albeit it with 00-01. Quick question though. If I have non-Scottish players in my squad but they don't appear on any match-day teamsheet does it count towards the challenge? Or do I have to rid them all before the first league game?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey Daz, It is your playing squad that is important. You need to have a 100% Scottish first team squad (first 11 plus subs) for every game of the season in which you triumph in Europe. So you can have non-Scots as lomg as none of them ever play or even sit on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Buchan Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Alright! Sorry folks. It's just my concentration span is very low but I will qualify for the UEFA Cup by myself The story will be up and running tomorrow for my challenge attempt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 F*cking YAS! Back in business Congrats on winning official challenge status Bob, you had some tough opposition to see off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Thanks Raptor and good to see you back online. Will the Lisbons Lions Challenge be tempting you into action? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 It might, but maybe not during it's officialness... I really want to round off WTBCSA this year, and there's a wee bit of life left in that one still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodOfGophers Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Congrats on the challenge. I'm glad it won. I'll be having a go with Motherwell. I took a look at the teams yesterday and they seemed like a fun choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raptor: It might, but maybe not during it's officialness... I really want to round off WTBCSA this year, and there's a wee bit of life left in that one still.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Says who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 think i may attempt this challenge, always nice to have two stories to split time between Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 GodofGophers- good choice I welcome the company... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 ok, i started, but it's 4am, so forgive the lacklustre opening, i'm sure it'll pick up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HD: ok, i started, but it's 4am, so forgive the lacklustre opening, i'm sure it'll pick up <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It never has before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted January 10, 2004 Author Share Posted January 10, 2004 Well my attempt has died due to having to reformat the PC and a mistake it made. Which is a shame. But I'll be starting again I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Congrats Bobbev by winning the first CMS Challenge of 2004. I also start an attempt for this challenge and the first posts are made. Celtic, A New Tale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian of Nazareth Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Quick question - can I swap a non-league team into the 3rd division to take part in this challenge? If so I'll be posting my effort tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBev Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brian of Nazareth: Quick question - can I swap a non-league team into the 3rd division to take part in this challenge? If so I'll be posting my effort tomorrow.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Course you can Brian - sounds very interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian of Nazareth Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 More insane perhaps but we'll see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian of Nazareth Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Lisbon Lion Challenge - BoN There we go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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