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11 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

 

it's really hard to say because the development is quite random and he's got a lot of points to allocate.

Btw, if he's got 20 Professionalism, 20 Ambition and he participates in a competitive match every week and he doesn't get injured then it will take him about 7-10 seasons to reaches his PA.

Also, there are some attributes that don't develop in normal way, I'm talking about such attributes as Jumping Reach, Natural Fitness, Bravery, Aggression, Determination, Team Work, Work Rate.

Interesting. Sounds like youth development isn't really worth it when you can just sign players with already developed attributes

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17 minutes ago, middleweight165 said:

Interesting. Sounds like youth development isn't really worth it when you can just sign players with already developed attributes

Heh, if you've got an unlimited budget then no doubt it's easier to buy the required player than developing such player but not all clubs have an unlimited budget. :)

if we take the player that you mentioned then as you said he's got 123 CA points to allocate but you can't control how every single pont will be allocated, the only what you can do is slightly direct the allocation so it still will be quite random and not all attributes can be developed.

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45 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Heh, if you've got an unlimited budget then no doubt it's easier to buy the required player than developing such player but not all clubs have an unlimited budget. :)

if we take the player that you mentioned then as you said he's got 123 CA points to allocate but you can't control how every single pont will be allocated, the only what you can do is slightly direct the allocation so it still will be quite random and not all attributes can be developed.

I just don't think it's worth it, you can always find good players on the market for cheap/free.

My next question is if it is all about player quality, is it possible for a team from Hungary for example to win the Champions League or would it just be lucky?

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Hey. Does everyone who uses the Cerberus v4 or Annihilator v4 tactics have a problem with the Wing Backs? It's just that I constantly see my players play with scores below 6.5 in matches. Currently I play for Chelsea in the 25/26 season and there are Rhys James, Tomori, Jedson Fernandes, Tagliafico, Maatsen among the full-backs. In general, the players are normal in terms of skills, but there are no rules of the game from them. Last season I was in Wolfsburg, there too, everything seems to be good in terms of skills, but failure after failure, in particular, William disappointed most of all. I often see such a picture that the opponent passes to the flank, where my full-back takes care of the player, he rushes at him, of course the opponent's player easily leaves him and goes 1 on 1. How can I solve the problem so that my player does not rush on an opponent in an attempt to block, but did you press positionally?
Well, playing with opponents at a high pace is just awful. In particular, the match with Man City was just a disaster. There Leon Bailey could just run the entire field to my goal and score a goal. Just a courtyard. And in such matches MR and ML completely fail. What to do? Changing mentality doesn't help. And the transition to defensive tactics (Shield Wall) also did not bring results. 

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29 minutes ago, middleweight165 said:

My next question is if it is all about player quality, is it possible for a team from Hungary for example to win the Champions League or would it just be lucky?

Nothing is predetermined when it comes to the result of a match, there are alwasy 3 outcome: % win chance, % draw chance, % lose chance. I can say that with Man City using Cerber tactic I've got only about 30% win chance in an away match vs Liverpool, of course, in a home match % win chance would be much higher so even with the best team in the game there's always % chance of losing vs the weakest team in the game so everything is possible and nothing is predetermined.  

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14 hours ago, 9esanN said:

Hey. Does everyone who uses the Cerberus v4 or Annihilator v4 tactics have a problem with the Wing Backs? It's just that I constantly see my players play with scores below 6.5 in matches. Currently I play for Chelsea in the 25/26 season and there are Rhys James, Tomori, Jedson Fernandes, Tagliafico, Maatsen among the full-backs. In general, the players are normal in terms of skills, but there are no rules of the game from them. Last season I was in Wolfsburg, there too, everything seems to be good in terms of skills, but failure after failure, in particular, William disappointed most of all. I often see such a picture that the opponent passes to the flank, where my full-back takes care of the player, he rushes at him, of course the opponent's player easily leaves him and goes 1 on 1. How can I solve the problem so that my player does not rush on an opponent in an attempt to block, but did you press positionally?
Well, playing with opponents at a high pace is just awful. In particular, the match with Man City was just a disaster. There Leon Bailey could just run the entire field to my goal and score a goal. Just a courtyard. And in such matches MR and ML completely fail. What to do? Changing mentality doesn't help. And the transition to defensive tactics (Shield Wall) also did not bring results. 

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Well, I personally think that the tactic provides general positive results through out your campaign by increasing your winning chance. it doesn't mean to win all the duel between players or even matches. 
For your case, leon bailey is one of the best winger in the game and it's very difficult to mark or tackle him, so it is completely normal that happened. There could be so many circumstances and scenario in every ball falling to the dribblers and how the dribblers do with the ball, and where are your players' position when that happens, are they running to chase the ball? or they were at the position to mark and tackle? If your aim is to go into details such as these, is up to you to watch your highlights and do your own analysis, then tweak specifically to counter the play.
As i have been using the cerberv5 for thousand of matches, I can tell that usually the ball will only end up to the dribbler for an open run is from set pieces, so maybe you can drop your wing back from the side you have problem with to stay back at all time, it might help. 
And the beauty of the game just like in rl football is, you can only do so much with paper, and see how it pans out. Cheers.


 

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6 hours ago, HeavyPunch said:

Well, I personally think that the tactic provides general positive results through out your campaign by increasing your winning chance. it doesn't mean to win all the duel between players or even matches. 
For your case, leon bailey is one of the best winger in the game and it's very difficult to mark or tackle him, so it is completely normal that happened. There could be so many circumstances and scenario in every ball falling to the dribblers and how the dribblers do with the ball, and where are your players' position when that happens, are they running to chase the ball? or they were at the position to mark and tackle? If your aim is to go into details such as these, is up to you to watch your highlights and do your own analysis, then tweak specifically to counter the play.
As i have been using the cerberv5 for thousand of matches, I can tell that usually the ball will only end up to the dribbler for an open run is from set pieces, so maybe you can drop your wing back from the side you have problem with to stay back at all time, it might help. 
And the beauty of the game just like in rl football is, you can only do so much with paper, and see how it pans out. Cheers.


 

I agree with you that Bailey is one of the best, but I want to understand the reasons for such failures, leading to the fact that the opposing players move freely with the ball to the goal and score a goal or create a dangerous moment. For example, he noticed that the special ability to "move from the flank to the center" or the like, as for example in Pulisic, leads to the fact that such players simply start running with the ball across the field and simply lose it, which leads to a counterattack, instead of give the transmission and then open up, distract or run into the area. This is terribly annoying. So, what special skills do you think the players should have so that this is a plus for the team and does not lead to sad consequences?

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58 minutes ago, 9esanN said:

I agree with you that Bailey is one of the best, but I want to understand the reasons for such failures, leading to the fact that the opposing players move freely with the ball to the goal and score a goal or create a dangerous moment. For example, he noticed that the special ability to "move from the flank to the center" or the like, as for example in Pulisic, leads to the fact that such players simply start running with the ball across the field and simply lose it, which leads to a counterattack, instead of give the transmission and then open up, distract or run into the area. This is terribly annoying. So, what special skills do you think the players should have so that this is a plus for the team and does not lead to sad consequences?

To be honest, no one can tell you the exact reason, you can only learn that by gathering all the information the matches give you. The game don't encourage anyone to simply plug and play the tactic I suppose, but fortunately we get to enjoy cerberV5 which is the closest thing for me personally.
What do you mean by special skills? is it the player preferred move? I don't think player preferred move makes much difference, but seems like you know exactly how your player want to do, so you can train him on the respective PPM as your liking.
CerberV5 has instruct the wingers to dribble more, take more risk on instruction but different players have their own attributes, personalities and player traits, just like in real life, is up to you to manage the players and the team, if you think Pulisic is doing a bad job for you using the tactic, drop him. or buy someone else. 
The simplest formula to get better using the tactic if you're just doing plug and play, is to buy the best player you could get. 

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I hope that TFF will make a tactic for FM21. I truly think he's the best tactic creator of football manager.

Been managing Dinamo Bucharest for about 12 seasons and won everything making a team of domestic players among the 5 best teams in the world.

Needed a new challange and took over Bari from Serie C. I won promotion back to back and Seria A champion in 3rd year with a team that should've, based on the players i had, fiercely battle against relegation. Don't know how many succeded this but if you really want to fell the thrill and emotions of football manager, take Bari from Serie C and leed them to glory.

I used Cerber V5 from maestro TFF, of course :)

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Hi @Totalfootballfan

First of all: Thank you for all your hard work. It truly makes this game more enjoyable for those of us who like to play FM this way.

Question: Have you had a chance to look at the throw-in routine? An incredible ammount of thow-ins are being served to the opposition goalie. Or should I just set the throw-ins to short?

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15 hours ago, Loftus66 said:

Hi @Totalfootballfan

First of all: Thank you for all your hard work. It truly makes this game more enjoyable for those of us who like to play FM this way.

Question: Have you had a chance to look at the throw-in routine? An incredible ammount of thow-ins are being served to the opposition goalie. Or should I just set the throw-ins to short?

Hi,

For me the current throw-in routine works more efficient than anything else even there are cases when it goes straingth into the opposition GK hands. Feel free to use something else if you think that'll be more efficient.

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On 26/10/2020 at 21:42, claudiu82g said:

Espero que TFF haga una táctica para FM21. Realmente creo que es el mejor creador de tácticas de Football Manager.

Dirigí el Dinamo Bucarest durante aproximadamente 12 temporadas y lo gané todo, lo que convirtió a un equipo de jugadores nacionales entre los 5 mejores equipos del mundo.

Necesitaba un nuevo desafío y me hice cargo de Bari de la Serie C. Gané el ascenso de manera consecutiva y el campeón de la Serie A en el tercer año con un equipo que, según los jugadores que tenía, debería haber luchado ferozmente contra el descenso. No sé cuántos lo lograron, pero si realmente quiere sentir la emoción y las emociones del entrenador de fútbol, tome a Bari de la Serie C y llévelos a la gloria.

Usé Cerber V5 del maestro TFF, por supuesto :)

Just waiting this!!! We hope so

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On 21/10/2020 at 14:52, Loftus66 said:

OK, thanx @fmjonek

Might be my training methods, getting tons of injuries though I stick to Balanced all season an my coaches and physios are OK...? Can't seem to figure it out.

i have "physio advise" in my squad view and i'm changing training intensity to 50% for 1-2 days for first team after game. physio will tell you which players need it. that reduces injuries really a lot.

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2 hours ago, mastamash said:

have you seen Pulsar's version of "cerber 4"? I have just tested it and it is really amazing. Pulsar has taken the place of number 1 on the FM Arena website. Place that was held by TTF before that

 

https://fm-arena.com/table/6-patch-20-4-4/

 

 

 

 

Apache v1.0 (Cerber V4 Tweak).fmf 45.83 kB · 5 downloads

Edit - answered my own question :)

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7 hours ago, mastamash said:

have you seen Pulsar's version of "cerber 4"? I have just tested it and it is really amazing. Pulsar has taken the place of number 1 on the FM Arena website. Place that was held by TTF before that

 

https://fm-arena.com/table/6-patch-20-4-4/

 

 

 

 

Apache v1.0 (Cerber V4 Tweak).fmf 45.83 kB · 17 downloads

Can you give us some more info? Why is it amazing?

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10 minutes ago, middleweight165 said:

Can you give us some more info? Why is it amazing?

Pulsar's message says 

"Hi, I've tweaked TFF's Cerber V4 and I think I managed to improve it.

I changed the attacking width to "Extremely Wide" and the mentality to "Attacking".

Also, I added TFF's new attacking free-kicks and tweaked the passing instructions of the WBL and WBR positions."


 

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6 minutes ago, mastamash said:

Pulsar's message says 

"Hi, I've tweaked TFF's Cerber V4 and I think I managed to improve it.

I changed the attacking width to "Extremely Wide" and the mentality to "Attacking".

Also, I added TFF's new attacking free-kicks and tweaked the passing instructions of the WBL and WBR positions."


 

Yeah I saw that thanks. I was interested in your opinion, why you think it's amazing, whats the difference?

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32 minutes ago, santiago_staiger said:


I have tried several of the tactics here developed by TFF in the FM21 and so far I find: Zeus, Wolverine, Raider and Predator satisfactory. Cerver didn't work for me, and neither did Bloodlust.

I tried Cerverv5 and it didn't work at all, sadly. Shame, I had high hopes!

Which one have you found to work the best? I'm Spurs. 

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47 minutes ago, Glassy said:

Probé Cerverv5 y, lamentablemente, no funcionó en absoluto. ¡Qué pena, tenía muchas esperanzas!

¿Cuál ha encontrado que funciona mejor? Soy los Spurs. 

The ones I mentioned worked quite well for me. You should try them and then tell us. (Zeus, Wolverine, Raider and Predator). 

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Hi,

Has anyone tried TFF's EXECUTIONER V4 in FM21 Beta? :)

I only tried it for few matches and it worked very well...

 

 

 

 

EXECUTIONER V4

Download - EXECUTIONER V4

IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

-- MR : Right Foot – Very Strong 

-- ML : Left Foot - Very Strong/Strong/Fairly Strong

"Comes Deep To Get Ball" is a negative PPM for AMC position

FM20-ME2039-Executioner-V2-by-TFF.thumb.png.ac120bcfaf5b11742f37808ce5a15e3a.png

 

INDIVIDUAL TRAINING FOCUS

STCL/STCR – Advanced Forward ( Attack )

AMC - Shadow Striker ( Attack )

 ML / MR  –  Winger ( Support )

MC – Deep Lying Playmaker ( Support )

DL / DR - Inverted Wing-Back (Support )

DCL / DCR - Ball Playing Defender ( Defend )

GK – Sweeper Keeper ( Attack )

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Azrael said:

Hi,

Has anyone tried TFF's EXECUTIONER V4 in FM21 Beta? :)

I only tried it for few matches and it worked very well...

 

 

 

 

EXECUTIONER V4

Download - EXECUTIONER V4

IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

-- MR : Right Foot – Very Strong 

-- ML : Left Foot - Very Strong/Strong/Fairly Strong

"Comes Deep To Get Ball" is a negative PPM for AMC position

FM20-ME2039-Executioner-V2-by-TFF.thumb.png.ac120bcfaf5b11742f37808ce5a15e3a.png

 

INDIVIDUAL TRAINING FOCUS

STCL/STCR – Advanced Forward ( Attack )

AMC - Shadow Striker ( Attack )

 ML / MR  –  Winger ( Support )

MC – Deep Lying Playmaker ( Support )

DL / DR - Inverted Wing-Back (Support )

DCL / DCR - Ball Playing Defender ( Defend )

GK – Sweeper Keeper ( Attack )

 

 

 

I've been playing with almost the same tactic created by another person and its working great. The formation is the same and the player instructions are almost the same and its working wonders for me. But always waiting for @Totalfootballfan on the new season :)

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