ratio1618 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Ohhh i see ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, FCUtdWill said: Which Bury team? Do you mean the one that was in League One? I know there’s a Bury Town in the Isthmian League but they’re not connected to former league side Bury as they’re in Suffolk. I think i will be putting the new bury team in the north west counties league division 1 for next season along with isle of man unless something official is announced before i put them in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just put em in anyways. People would love having that plus you might be waiting till the end of the season for ti to be official. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 35 minutes ago, ratio1618 said: Just put em in anyways. People would love having that plus you might be waiting till the end of the season for ti to be official. yes they will be going in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, lionel messi said: I think i will be putting the new bury team in the north west counties league division 1 for next season along with isle of man unless something official is announced before i put them in. If I was you, I’d concentrate on this season before looking at next season, there’ll be a few clubs moving leagues during the summer and it’s impossible to predict at this time of year. Also when you get clubs appealing what league they’re in every summer placements are always provisional until league AGMs. Edited January 9, 2020 by FCUtdWill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 hours ago, FCUtdWill said: If I was you, I’d concentrate on this season before looking at next season, there’ll be a few clubs moving leagues during the summer and it’s impossible to predict at this time of year. Also when you get clubs appealing what league they’re in every summer placements are always provisional until league AGMs. Yewh but if he were to do that then he couldn't release his fmf till basically the end of the current season, At least not with the expansion included. Regardless even if he had that knowledge i dont see how he is going to get the right teams to move to the right leagues accurately for the expansion outside of regional boundries which some teams may elect against IRL. The whole premise of including next years expansion i dont think needs to be for real world mirroring, Just to replicate the structure. I dont think 90% of people will know where Maldon and Tiptree is. So therefore you may as well add teams that will get people playing and using this database instead of sitting on your hands for another 4 months waiting for more official information. FM21 will be the year of accurate LLM, not this year and thats ok we know the basic skeleton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Hi, just to second what others have said can you please add afc bury, really intrigued to give them a shot. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 hours ago, ratio1618 said: Yewh but if he were to do that then he couldn't release his fmf till basically the end of the current season, At least not with the expansion included. Regardless even if he had that knowledge i dont see how he is going to get the right teams to move to the right leagues accurately for the expansion outside of regional boundries which some teams may elect against IRL. The whole premise of including next years expansion i dont think needs to be for real world mirroring, Just to replicate the structure. I dont think 90% of people will know where Maldon and Tiptree is. So therefore you may as well add teams that will get people playing and using this database instead of sitting on your hands for another 4 months waiting for more official information. FM21 will be the year of accurate LLM, not this year and thats ok we know the basic skeleton. I normally released my file in March/April because there were a lot of changes I made to the original database. That’s why I’m saying release the file as it is with this season’s data and then when we know more about next season release the expansion. It’ll be a lot of work to get the expansion correct especially at Levels 9/10 when there’s going to be two extra divisions at Level 9 and three less divisions at Level 10. Why not add them both for this season, AFC Bury in the North West Counties League Division One North with FC Isle of Man in Division One South? There’ll be more than those two new teams at Level 10 next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, iGoldenBen said: Hi, just to second what others have said can you please add afc bury, really intrigued to give them a shot. Thanks Bury can be added to League One and that’s more of a challenge as every time I’ve started the game in March 2020 with them included they haven’t managed to get 10 wins in 36 games once. (And they start with a 12 point deduction) Edited January 10, 2020 by FCUtdWill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, FCUtdWill said: Bury can be added to League One and that’s more of a challenge as every time I’ve started the game in March 2020 with them included they haven’t managed to get 10 wins in 36 games once. (And they start with a 12 point deduction) Honestly I prefer the idea of a true phoenix club and starting in the third tier is boring for me personally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, FCUtdWill said: I normally released my file in March/April because there were a lot of changes I made to the original database. That’s why I’m saying release the file as it is with this season’s data and then when we know more about next season release the expansion. It’ll be a lot of work to get the expansion correct especially at Levels 9/10 when there’s going to be two extra divisions at Level 9 and three less divisions at Level 10. Why not add them both for this season, AFC Bury in the North West Counties League Division One North with FC Isle of Man in Division One South? There’ll be more than those two new teams at Level 10 next season. I might not be able to do next seasons structure anyway, im struggling to get the promotion/relegation right from vanarama north/south to regional premier divisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, lionel messi said: I might not be able to do next seasons structure anyway, im struggling to get the promotion/relegation right from vanarama north/south to regional premier divisions. Send me a PM with how you’ve done it so far (I won’t be able to open files until later on today) and I’ll see what you can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FCUtdWill said: Send me a PM with how you’ve done it so far (I won’t be able to open files until later on today) and I’ll see what you can do. I was just playing around with it for now until i have finished editing all the data, but what i dont understand is there is 3 sets of rules for some leagues from league 1 and dowards. then there is fixed format/not fixed format i dont understand that either, i think it has something to do with 1 less club in league 1 for this season and a knock on effect for next season to balance the leagues out again. On the basic editor under number of promotion/relegation places all the leagues are minimum/maximum 20 apart from vanarama north/south which is 22. And promotion/relegation places is 0 for each league. Edited January 10, 2020 by lionel messi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, lionel messi said: I was just playing around with it for now until i have finished editing all the data, but what i dont understand is there is 3 sets of rules for some leagues from league 1 and dowards. then there is fixed format/not fixed format i dont understand that either, i think it has something to do with 1 less club in league 1 for this season and a knock on effect for next season to balance the leagues out again. On the basic editor under number of promotion/relegation places all the leagues are minimum/maximum 20 apart from vanarama north/south which is 22. And promotion/relegation places is 0 for each league. I’ve not looked too much in the advanced rules for this year’s game as I don’t know much about them. You’re right about two of the sets of rules regarding League One, one is for 23 teams, one for 24 teams and I’m unsure as well about what the third one is for. I’m unsure on what the fixed/not fixed format means either, but could be to do with Bury not in League One. I thought that bug had been fixed so we can add promotions/relegations for Level 6 downwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, FCUtdWill said: I’ve not looked too much in the advanced rules for this year’s game as I don’t know much about them. You’re right about two of the sets of rules regarding League One, one is for 23 teams, one for 24 teams and I’m unsure as well about what the third one is for. I’m unsure on what the fixed/not fixed format means either, but could be to do with Bury not in League One. I thought that bug had been fixed so we can add promotions/relegations for Level 6 downwards? has that bug been fixed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, lionel messi said: has that bug been fixed? I don’t know to be honest, I found a workaround a few months ago and haven’t changed anything since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, FCUtdWill said: I don’t know to be honest, I found a workaround a few months ago and haven’t changed anything since. what was your workaround? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, lionel messi said: what was your workaround? Send me a PM and I’ll talk you through it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyedOutMan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 24/12/2019 at 00:20, bobjuh said: Associated Football Club Sorry to be anal, but it's "Association Football Club" - strictly speaking, all of these teams are "AFC". It's a way of distinguishing from "Rugby Football Club". Not really necessary these days, but in most cases this is simply a relic of a bygone age. Or an attempt to look older than they really are (like AFC Wimbledon or AFC Liverpool). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 Update All Leagues down to Level 11 now have cities & stadium co ordinates set. All Leagues down to Level 8 now have nickname & year formed set. All Leagues down to Level 10 now have past winners set. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 teh current defualt rules for VNS/N down are ****ing cooked. Also two version of both carbao and FA cup. Its a mssive hurdle and part of the reason why i literally just remade the entire english pyramid.. The way SI have done is so stupid.. For VNS/N 1 set is for current 2 team relegation 1 is for 3 team relegation and one is for next years 4 team relegation. Its a mess. It seems like to use the 3 team relegation rule which isnt a thing at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 10 hours ago, FCUtdWill said: Send me a PM and I’ll talk you through it. PM me the work around to if you can buddy, im a fellow FCUM fan too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, ratio1618 said: teh current defualt rules for VNS/N down are ****ing cooked. Also two version of both carbao and FA cup. Its a mssive hurdle and part of the reason why i literally just remade the entire english pyramid.. The way SI have done is so stupid.. For VNS/N 1 set is for current 2 team relegation 1 is for 3 team relegation and one is for next years 4 team relegation. Its a mess. It seems like to use the 3 team relegation rule which isnt a thing at all. Yes its a mess, It would have been much easier to do also had bury not got kicked out of the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, lionel messi said: Yes its a mess, It would have been much easier to do also had bury not got kicked out of the league. Also if they had not have to compensate for the non-league expansion. They literally could have hired @krlenjushka and had a waay better version of the default DB. i just dont understand and they STILL despite my constant asking have explained what the changes are all for. Annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, ratio1618 said: Also if they had not have to compensate for the non-league expansion. They literally could have hired @krlenjushka and had a waay better version of the default DB. i just dont understand and they STILL despite my constant asking have explained what the changes are all for. Annoying. Its supposed to make it a better system with less traveling to games in the local leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, lionel messi said: Its supposed to make it a better system with less traveling to games in the local leagues. No i mean the changes in the advanced version of the default english rules in the editor. Not the IRL reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Also i should mention SI logged this 3 team verification bug thing as a "bug" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, ratio1618 said: No i mean the changes in the advanced version of the default english rules in the editor. Not the IRL reasons. oh i see lol. what was the reasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 They never have said anything explaining the birds nest of rules and why they are set up they way they are (seperate list for fixtures of verious versions etc) Not a single ****ing word. Hence why i literally tried to just rebuild everything top down and skip this year and bring all next years changes forward to a 19/20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ratio1618 said: They never have said anything explaining the birds nest of rules and why they are set up they way they are (seperate list for fixtures of verious versions etc) Not a single ****ing word. Hence why i literally tried to just rebuild everything top down and skip this year and bring all next years changes forward to a 19/20 I have tried something similiar, i got rid of some of the rules and redid it, after many hours of messing about with it i eventually got it to work down to vanarama north and south. I did another version where i kept league 1 at 23 teams but made next years promotion and relegation numbers, i got it to work but then when i verrified it there was something wrong with the dates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Like if you can get over the current default English rule hurdle and set up this years pyramid its easy enough to expand and subtract the leagues for next year. Its literally just the crappy Vanarama South/North relegation crap. Maybe if you tried to delete VNS/N and recreate just two version with set up years for each? I tihnk i did similar but there are just oo many problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, ratio1618 said: Like if you can get over the current default English rule hurdle and set up this years pyramid its easy enough to expand and subtract the leagues for next year. Its literally just the crappy Vanarama South/North relegation crap. Maybe if you tried to delete VNS/N and recreate just two version with set up years for each? I tihnk i did similar but there are just oo many problems. I will have a proper go at the rules once i have finished with the data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 As i have said before if you need a hand with filling in details or with anything im more than willing to help out. You are basically working on the perfect English pyramid and "theFMEditors" shoddy version is what everyone think is the best one out. Im not even starting an English save till theres a accurate fmf with proper expansion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, ratio1618 said: As i have said before if you need a hand with filling in details or with anything im more than willing to help out. You are basically working on the perfect English pyramid and "theFMEditors" shoddy version is what everyone think is the best one out. Im not even starting an English save till theres a accurate fmf with proper expansion. Yes my hope is to do a close to proper structure as possible, but if not get a good working one for this season. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Is there any rough time-frame estimate to a release? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 21 hours ago, majesticeternity said: Is there any rough time-frame estimate to a release? I think its about 2 weeks away from the 1st release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Ok thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, lionel messi said: I think its about 2 weeks away from the 1st release. Will you be provisionally adding afc bury or waiting for official word? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, iGoldenBen said: Will you be provisionally adding afc bury or waiting for official word? Yeah they will be added. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 Update All promotion & relegation now done down to Level 11. mid sussex league premier division & league cup now added. (originally missed adding them) All leagues down to Level 11 now have nicknames & year formed set. (where i could find the info) All League boundaries now set. Most Leagues & Cups now have competition history. (where i could find the info) Things still to do I need to redo the FA Vase to include the teams from the mid sussex league. Awards to do for Level 9-11. A few other little tweaks todo before ready to start testing the file in game. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcdallas Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Awesome! Thank you for the update! I am looking forward to starting a new game with your database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 53 minutes ago, lionel messi said: Update All promotion & relegation now done down to Level 11. mid sussex league premier division & league cup now added. (originally missed adding them) All leagues down to Level 11 now have nicknames & year formed set. (where i could find the info) All League boundaries now set. Most Leagues & Cups now have competition history. (where i could find the info) Things still to do I need to redo the FA Vase to include the teams from the mid sussex league. Awards to do for Level 9-11. A few other little tweaks todo before ready to start testing the file in game. Did you add bury afc yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 hours ago, iGoldenBen said: Did you add bury afc yet? No not done that yet. Its on my list of little things to do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCUtdWill Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 12 hours ago, lionel messi said: Update All promotion & relegation now done down to Level 11. mid sussex league premier division & league cup now added. (originally missed adding them) All leagues down to Level 11 now have nicknames & year formed set. (where i could find the info) All League boundaries now set. Most Leagues & Cups now have competition history. (where i could find the info) Things still to do I need to redo the FA Vase to include the teams from the mid sussex league. Awards to do for Level 9-11. A few other little tweaks todo before ready to start testing the file in game. Just so you know, there are no teams from the Mid-Sussex League in the FA Vase, only 47 clubs at Level 11 are in it this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Price Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 the new bury team bury afc will be starting in tier 10 this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Andrew Price said: the new bury team bury afc will be starting in tier 10 this year Is that confirmed now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, lionel messi said: Is that confirmed now? Not yet, but very likely. Bury FC (Steve dale has until the 11th of February to pay a cva or the club will be liquidated). I think there is another winding up hearing on the 5th too. I've been talking daily to bury fans. Regardless though Bury AFC should still be pre approved by the NWCL. Edited February 1, 2020 by iGoldenBen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Hammer Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Any idea when this will be available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Any idea how much work Messi still has to do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Nobby_McDonald said: Any idea how much work Messi still has to do? Probably still a decent amount, good databases take time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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