Football Manager 2020 Feedback Thread

[autohoratio]

5 hours ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

I'm sure you'd be able to hand them the money to do this then, right? Because I'm pretty sure if SI could afford to hire more people to develop their premier title to make it better in all aspects, given the level of passion shown by the likes of Miles, they would do.

Sadly, although a lot of people are playing FM at any one time on Steam, it's still a small purchaser base - it just looks like a lot because there are a significant number of people who only, or mostly, play FM, compared to other games where they sell 4-5 times the number of copies as FM, but people stop playing it after a month or two.

To be fair, SI mentioned that FM19 sold a record number of copies, which I'm sure has given them an incresed budget to develop the ME further  

[Neil Brock]

5 minutes ago, autohoratio said:

To be fair, SI mentioned that FM19 sold a record number of copies, which I'm sure has given them an incresed budget to develop the ME further  

We've been trying to hire coders for quite a while, you'd be surprised at how difficult it is to find people - https://www.sigames.com/careers

Even specifically for the Match Engine - https://www.sigames.com/careers/match-technologies-programmer

 

[alian62]

59 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

We've been trying to hire coders for quite a while, you'd be surprised at how difficult it is to find people - https://www.sigames.com/careers

Even specifically for the Match Engine - https://www.sigames.com/careers/match-technologies-programmer

 

I would if I could 

[FrazT]

1 hour ago, luka_ said:

Who is better..a coach with great attributes but 2 star rep, or a coach with ****** attributes but 4 star rep? 

Attributes are more important.

[FrazT]

2 hours ago, Bakiano said:

Okay, another question, it isn't maybe fm20 related, but would like to know the answer.

When you buy a player for some fee plus bonuses. The bonuses are after league appearences and goal leagues. When you sell him before he activates these bonuses, what happens with these bonuses? Are they cancelled or they are still active regardless the player are not in your club anymore.

 

It's a silly question, but never thought about that, so wanna know the answer.

 

Thanks!  

I would have thought that all bonuses would only be active while the player was under contract with you, so would automatically y stop on being sold.

[Iwabik]

1 hour ago, Neil Brock said:

We've been trying to hire coders for quite a while, you'd be surprised at how difficult it is to find people - https://www.sigames.com/careers

Even specifically for the Match Engine - https://www.sigames.com/careers/match-technologies-programmer

 

Maybe it's time to go for the wonderkid regens with 5 star potential then? 

[Bakiano]

15 minutes ago, FrazT said:

I would have thought that all bonuses would only be active while the player was under contract with you, so would automatically y stop on being sold.

I was thinking the same, just wanted to know is this correct.

 

Thanks!

[thomas_e]

One issue I would like to raise. Not a bug, but its something that occurs year after year and would like to get some feedback on it. Resting of players during a tight schedule: For me personally, if I for example have to play three games in 9 days, and I can't rotate my squad to a big extent (in the current save thats because my number 13-20 in terms of quality are really bad) I like to rest my players for two days between games. I would guess a lot of other players do that as well, and some might view this not to be beneficial as I guess it gives your team less match preperations than optimal. 

But the oppositon doesn't seem to give their players any rest of all? During a busy match programme I tend to always face opposition teams that start the game with several players on 75-85% in condition, while my players are on 92-94%. It seems like a big advantage over the AI? 

 

[saihtam]

2 hours ago, Neil Brock said:

We've been trying to hire coders for quite a while, you'd be surprised at how difficult it is to find people - https://www.sigames.com/careers

Even specifically for the Match Engine - https://www.sigames.com/careers/match-technologies-programmer

 

Definitely hard, specially experts in C++. People might know pieces of it but mastering C++ is rare currently i think, so many other languages is used. Have to take into account also that new person might not see the code sameway and maybe SI have lost the best coders who where bringing stability to match engine. I have seen companies programs pummeling down for almost a year as lead coders leave and noone can fill their boots.

Just out of curiosity is there any hope to apply outside of UK(from EU country) for job in SI?

[yezzko]

Why must there be a corner conceeding bug in every release. Until FM 18 defenders were making wildly inaccurate passes to the goalkeepers, this year we have defenders blasting the ball for a corner when there is clear opportunity to kick it for a throw in or up the field.

Edited December 23, 2019 by yezzko
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[Neil Brock]

51 minutes ago, saihtam said:

Definitely hard, specially experts in C++. People might know pieces of it but mastering C++ is rare currently i think, so many other languages is used. Have to take into account also that new person might not see the code sameway and maybe SI have lost the best coders who where bringing stability to match engine. I have seen companies programs pummeling down for almost a year as lead coders leave and noone can fill their boots.

Just out of curiosity is there any hope to apply outside of UK(from EU country) for job in SI?

Yes absolutely, we've hired people from various countries in the past. Just off the top of my head I know of at least ten different nationalities working on FM, but sure there's probably more than that. 

[ChelseaFan]

Nothing until next year now.

Go back to FM19 for now.

[srvngrc]

27 dakika önce, Neil Brock said:

Yes absolutely, we've hired people from various countries in the past. Just off the top of my head I know of at least ten different nationalities working on FM, but sure there's probably more than that. 

Do you need testers?

[emil_sbn]

I can understand the frustration from some people here but hey look at it positively atleast this christmas is en excellent opportunity to be with family and friends instead. All we can do is be patient now and hope its a good update that comes in march. 

[Os]

I really can't stress enough how much I disagree with the negative opinions of the ME in this thread.

I truly hope that Si don't relent to the noisy hordes and treat any update objectively.

The parallels with Brexit in this thread is astounding.

Edited December 23, 2019 by Os

[Svenc]

11 hours ago, Svenc said:

Aye, due to the long ball defending, such scenarios are much more common than in actual Football. @themadsheep2001 Which shot map do you mean specifically? I've done them for in-game Matches and typically mark the blue dots as set piece attempts (pressured headers, etc.), and mark the one on oneish in red. This Shows that in-game they oft, but not Always tend to be finished at tighter angles rather than premium zones (in parts also due to not Players squaring it). As well as that during Matches with a lot of SOT with Little Goals, it is easy to come by and accurate set piece attempts (pressured headers mostly saved) inflating those numbers. This seems be overlooked, in large parts because the game doesn't make a statistical distinction here from the off. 

In fact, I've just been forwarded another couple Matches of this irk. Ever since release you could turn this into a piece of FM art and highlight where the current main issues are. Red dots again, 1vs1ish, blue dots the set pieces. The shot circled in Purple is a one on one of which the Goal was scored -- a central one, which probably was not coincidence, but that is one for the main coder/s to answer.

The one on ones tend to bunch in numbers in particular at an angle, the set piece headers in Matches with Little Goals tend to be amongst the few shots within reasonable range and in the most dangerous zones, which is centrally Right in front of the Goal.

 

[Pasonen]

One of the biggest problems at the moment for me and my friend is matches against teams what are bottom 6'ish teams. It feels like is the tactic what ever you cant get a goal anywhere and opposition scores from only spot. And this is not only two or three games.. there is a clear pattern that you will suffer when lower position team is against you. Ai got the same problems with these low position teams.. just look last seasons last 5 games from stages and stats.

[themadsheep2001]

56 minutes ago, Svenc said:

In fact, I've just been forwarded another couple Matches of this irk. Ever since release you could turn this into a piece of FM art and highlight where the current main issues are. Red dots again, 1vs1ish, blue dots the set pieces. The shot circled in Purple is a one on one of which the Goal was scored -- a central one, which probably was not coincidence, but that is one for the main coder/s to answer.

The one on ones tend to bunch in numbers in particular at an angle, the set piece headers in Matches with Little Goals tend to be amongst the few shots within reasonable range and in the most dangerous zones, which is centrally Right in front of the Goal.

 

Thanks for this Sven. As an aside, and probably one for FM21, more finishing variations will be key in striker conversion. And will allow for more player differentiation between players 

[Miravlix]

I'm 3 point a head of the competition with a 58 GD vs 28, so seems a bit silly that the game say I can drop down to 2nd place with a loss.

 

It's impossible for them to score 30 goals in one match, so they can't move ahead of us and it's the Spanish League and I beat the team, so I've ahead on head to head and if I understand the rules even if they had better GD I would still win on head to head, so it's not just require impossible result on the pitch, it is LITERALLY impossible for them to get ahead of us.

[PeterC86]

Hi,

I opened an account here some time ago, because I was doubting wether to buy this new version or not, and I wanted to raise the issues I have with the series. First of, I must say that in general you guys have put a wonderful game together, looking back where the game started. The series has really developed over these 25+ years! However, since the last 4 or 5 versions, I see some stabilization and reoccurance of issues, which have become annoying enough for me to raise them.

I linked to the post where I raised the main issues I have with the series as of late. Now FM19 was an enjoyable game, despite the issues that I've mentioned. I however didn't buy the new version up until now, because of these issues, and the previous versions were quite buggy upon release. With buggy I mainly mean; a poor ME. Now I can imagine that some of these issues, and the ME, are not easy to fix as everything in the game is interdependent, I get that. But if you don't have the people to get them fixed properly, the issue seems to be deeper imbedded in the organisation. The thing is, that people, me including, are not willing to pay 50 euros every year for a product which is not finished. People put a lot of time and energy into playing this game, which is, when the game is good, quite rewarding, however, when the game is not good, this becomes quite annoying, especially when this happens multiple years in a row. Now I don't know how the financials are at your company, but you must understand that your salaries and your profit are paid by us. This game has a committed community, and a lot of players buy this game every year, or every two or three years. If the company keeps putting out a product which is not finished, or do not listen enough to the feedback given by the community, or do not communicate in a transparent way, this company digs its own grave. The time where customers are silent buyers , and a company can do whatever it wants without being transparent about it, lie behind us (luckily).  Either you realize this and work with the community to make this product great again, or the community falls apart and this product dies.  Looking through this topic, I will wait to buy this game, and if I do, I am definitely not spending 50 euros, not because I don't think the game is not worth it, it would just set a wrong incentive.

There is a difference between money grabbing every year before the holidays, or putting in all the effort to make a great game. If the company chooses the first, and deliver an unfinished product, this will only go well a few years. I hope the management at your company isn't that short-sighted, however from my experience in the business world, this is more common than uncommon.

Edited December 23, 2019 by PeterC86

[themadsheep2001]

2 hours ago, PeterC86 said:

Hi,

 

I opened an account here some time ago, because I was doubting wether to buy this new version or not and I wanted to raise the issues I have with the series. First of, I must say that in general you guys have put a wonderful game together, looking back where you've started. The series has really developed over these 25+ years! However, since the last 4 or 5 versions, I see some stabilization and reoccurance of issues, which have become annoying enough for me to raise them...

I linked to the post where I raised the main issues I have with the series as of late. Now FM19 was an enjoyable game, despite the issues that I've mentioned. I however didn't buy the new version up until now, because the previous versions were quite buggy upon release. With buggy I mainly mean; a poor ME. Now I can imagine that some of these issues and the ME are not easy to fix as everything in the game, I get that. But if you don't have the people to get them fixed properly, the issue seems to be deeper imbedded in the organisation. The thing is that people, me including, are not willing to pay 50 euros every year for a product which is not finished. People put a lot of time and energy into playing this game, which is when the game is good quite rewarding, however, when the game is not good, this becomes quite annoying, especially when this happens multiple years in a row. Now I don't know how the financials are at your company, but you must understand that your salaries are paid by us. This game has a committed community, and a lot of players buy this game every year or every two or three years. If the company keeps putting out a product which is not finished, or do not listen enough to the feedback given by the community, or communicate in a transparent way, this company digs its own grave. The time where customers are silent buyers , and a company can do whatever it wants, without being transparent about it, lie behind us (luckily).  Either you realize this and work with the community to make this product great again, or the community falls apart and this product dies.  Looking through this topic, I will wait to buy this game, and if I do, I am definitely not spending 50 euros, not because I don't think the game is not worth it, it would just set a wrong incentive.

Just to clarify, there's a post at the top of this thread dealing with both communication and feedback. Would appreciate if people read that before posting if possible. 

If people want to talk about openness and transparency then this forum needs to be accepting of what's being said by the moderating team and the developers when they make posts It cuts both ways and this forum, while important and a great source, is only small percentage of the overall player base. 

You talk about working with the community, but it's difficult for the developers if rather than engaging in constructive communication, there are insults and falsehoods being stated in threads like these. And sadly that's no exaggeration. 

[PeterC86]

2 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said:

Just to clarify, there's a post at the top of this thread dealing with both communication and feedback. Would appreciate if people read that before posting if possible. 

If people want to talk about openness and transparency then this forum needs to be accepting of what's being said by the moderating team and the developers when they make posts It cuts both ways and this forum, while important and a great source, is only small percentage of the overall player base. 

You talk about working with the community, but it's difficult for the developers if rather than engaging in constructive communication, there are insults and falsehoods being stated in threads like these. And sadly that's no exaggeration. 

The thing is, you seeing it as toxic is the wrong way to look at it. It could very well be that the majority of the people on this forum are 14-18 year old youngsters, who are just venting their frustrations in an emotional immature way, however, they do take the time and energy to do this (this shows that they are committed).

The points they raise are still valid, besides from how, and how often, they bring it. It is upon the company and its people, including the moderators, on how they deal with this. 

And saying that openness and transparancy should be dependent upon the maturity of its community, to me, this seems to be the worst way to deal with it. Okay this is going to take up more time than I intended, but here we go;

I read somewhere that the moderators are volunteers, is that right? If this is the case, this is the first problem, as you as a moderator are not really part of the organisation, but have to deal first handedly with the community. So you have to feel responsible for something which you are not really part of. This puts you as a moderator in an akward position, as you are not really sure who you should speak for. 

This also shows that SI does not take the community that seriously, as they are not willing to pay for moderators who can speak for the company with the community.

[HUNT3R]

2 minutes ago, PeterC86 said:

The thing is, that you seeing it as toxic is the wrong way to look at it. It could very well be that the majority of the people on this forum are 14-18 year old youngsters, who are just venting their frustrations in an emotional immature way, however, they do take the time and energy to do this (this shows that they are committed).

The points they raise are still valid, besides from how, and how often, they bring it. It is upon the company and its people, including the moderators, on how they deal with this. 

And saying that openness and transparancy should be dependent upon the maturity of its community, to me, this seems to be the worst way to deal with it. Okay this is going to take up more time than I intended, but here we go;

I read somewhere that the moderators are volunteers, is that right? If this is the case, this is the first problem, as you as a moderator are not really part of the organisation, but have to deal first handedly with the community. So you have to feel responsible for something which you are not really part of. This puts you as a moderator in an akward position, as you are not really sure who you should speak for. 

This also shows that SI does not take the community that seriously, as they are not willing to pay for moderators who can speak for the company.

Might help to read this  :  

 

[themadsheep2001]

6 minutes ago, PeterC86 said:

The thing is, you seeing it as toxic is the wrong way to look at it. It could very well be that the majority of the people on this forum are 14-18 year old youngsters, who are just venting their frustrations in an emotional immature way, however, they do take the time and energy to do this (this shows that they are committed).

The points they raise are still valid, besides from how, and how often, they bring it. It is upon the company and its people, including the moderators, on how they deal with this. 

And saying that openness and transparancy should be dependent upon the maturity of its community, to me, this seems to be the worst way to deal with it. Okay this is going to take up more time than I intended, but here we go;

I read somewhere that the moderators are volunteers, is that right? If this is the case, this is the first problem, as you as a moderator are not really part of the organisation, but have to deal first handedly with the community. So you have to feel responsible for something which you are not really part of. This puts you as a moderator in an akward position, as you are not really sure who you should speak for. 

This also shows that SI does not take the community that seriously, as they are not willing to pay for moderators who can speak for the company with the community.

No, toxic is exactly what it is. And we're not in an awkward position. The fact that you think we need to worry about who to speak for is exactly the problem. This isn't a play ground, there aren't sides. And the sooner everyone realises this the better. 

[Dagenham_Dave]

1 hour ago, Pasonen said:

One of the biggest problems at the moment for me and my friend is matches against teams what are bottom 6'ish teams. It feels like is the tactic what ever you cant get a goal anywhere and opposition scores from only spot. And this is not only two or three games.. there is a clear pattern that you will suffer when lower position team is against you. Ai got the same problems with these low position teams.. just look last seasons last 5 games from stages and stats.

Why would they be in a 'low position' if neither you nor the AI can beat them?

If a team is in the bottom 6, they've clearly lost more matches than they've won. If your own team is struggling to break them down, that's down to you I'm afraid. 

[PeterC86]

26 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

No, toxic is exactly what it is. And we're not am awkward position. The fact that you think we need to worry about who to speak for is exactly the problem. This isn't a play ground, there aren't sides. And the sooner everyone realises this the better. 

Yes and I am trying to tell you that you see it as toxic because of the way the company deals with the feedback, in other words; it has evolved into toxic because of the inability of the moderation team to appropriately deal with this feedback. Now I am not saying that this is the fault of the moderators themselves, the problem lies in the position of the moderator in the company. The problem is that a moderator can't speak for the company, and this shows how much SI values the community. People see this, and get frustrated....

There is the side of the customer, and there is the side of the seller; the company. If a moderator doesn't see this, then I don't really see a point in writing further (please don't take this personally).

Besides this, the frustration a lot of people have, might come from the inability of the company to deal with the main issues raised over multiple years. Now, it could be that the company does not really pick up on these issues and set their own course, and just use the moderator team to 'hold the forum in line', so to speak. This doesn't serve the community. It could also be that the company is not able to fix these issues, in which case they should communicate this to the community. This way, the community might develop an understanding.

I should ask money for this type of consulting, my degree wasn't free.

29 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

Might help to read this  :  

 

Thanks, that is where I have read it.

Edited December 23, 2019 by PeterC86

[themadsheep2001]

39 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

Might help to read this  :  

 

This, and it's tiresome people deliberately misrepresenting stuff. It needs to stop or action will be taken as described 

[PeterC86]

9 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

This, and it's tiresome people deliberately misrepresenting stuff. It needs to stop or action will be taken as described 

My responses are not really directed at you.

I know you are only doing this out of passion for the game, and you are doing the best you can in the situation that is presented to you! Thanks for taking up that role!

My responses are aimed at the people in charge in the company. They have put you in this position, which is causing frustrations at your end, as well as at the end of the customer. It would be great if you could make them aware of this.

Edited December 23, 2019 by PeterC86

[themadsheep2001]

50 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

Why would they be in a 'low position' if neither you nor the AI can beat them?

If a team is in the bottom 6, they've clearly lost more matches than they've won. If your own team is struggling to break them down, that's down to you I'm afraid. 

Perhaps only partially. Breaking good low blocks requires movement in front of the defensive line. This feels like an area for improvement. Needs more play into that golden zone in front of the defence.   

[Vali184]

Looks like there is a new patch out. When can we expect the patchnotes?

[Scuffi92]

13 minutes ago, Vali184 said:

Looks like there is a new patch out. When can we expect the patchnotes?

It's like a 1 byte patch ^^

[Novem9]

Tested my new tactic, sometimes this ME create something that I watch and enjoy

But in prev/next moment it could be like switch turned and something crazy going on. And there are no about results or scores. I mean only decisions and content.

 

[Rashidi]

22 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

Perhaps only partially. Breaking good low blocks requires movement in front of the defensive line. This feels like an area for improvement. Needs more play into that golden zone in front of the defence.   

Or everyone is using work ball into box and giving the AI too much time to settle in its low block

[JordanMilly]

9 hours ago, Bakiano said:

Okay, another question, it isn't maybe fm20 related, but would like to know the answer.

When you buy a player for some fee plus bonuses. The bonuses are after league appearences and goal leagues. When you sell him before he activates these bonuses, what happens with these bonuses? Are they cancelled or they are still active regardless the player are not in your club anymore.

 

It's a silly question, but never thought about that, so wanna know the answer.

 

Thanks!  

I believe those bonuses go away. That's why it's useful, if you're buying a youth player who may develop into a superstar, but isn't guaranteed, to make as much of the transfer fee as possible reliant on him playing 20 matches internationally and 50 matches for you, because if he never develops to his full potential and you end up selling him on, you don't have to pay those parts.

[Neil Brock]

This thread is for feedback on Football Manager 2020 ONLY.

For feedback on anything else to do with Sports Interactive or the moderating team, please email forums@sigames.com where we will respond as and when appropriate. 

Any post in this thread which is not feedback in regards to FM20 from this point on will be removed. Thanks. 

[Optimistic Dave]

Disappointing that the player stats in match are now useless. Only passing stats, nothing else and all the different views are the same.

[HUNT3R]

3 minutes ago, Optimistic Dave said:

Disappointing that the player stats in match are now useless. Only passing stats, nothing else and all the different views are the same.

I assume you mean Attributes? I had a very hard time at my former club. We just didn't have the attributes to compete and it showed. I'm at a better club now and I'm supposed to be one of the better teams in the league - and it shows.

[BigV]

2 minutes ago, Rashidi said:

Or everyone is using work ball into box and giving the AI too much time to settle in its low block

I don't know what context this is in but surely IRL teams can still bypass and score by using working the ball into the box. If im not mistaken a tip of old/present still states working the ball "can" help score against lesser oppositions- assuming they sit in low blocks which most do against bigger teams. 

[Rashidi]

9 minutes ago, BigV said:

I don't know what context this is in but surely IRL teams can still bypass and score by using working the ball into the box. If im not mistaken a tip of old/present still states working the ball "can" help score against lesser oppositions- assuming they sit in low blocks which most do against bigger teams. 

When the ingame- tip for WBIB comes up it states that WBIB can be counter intuitive against teams sitting in a low block. Personally my favourite is actually to hit them before they settle into a low block which means hitting them in the transition, that's when they are likely to make more mistakes. For example you give them space to attack somewhere on the pitch, they build their attack and fail just as they move into midfield.

It can work against weak teams, work ball into box, but its also dangerous, because if their low block has players who have good positioning or jumping reach, they can deal with at least one kind of threat. Only today I played against a system with 3DMs and 4 defenders, and the only way I got around them was to use hit early cross before they settled into defence. I also ended up playing with narrow defensive width, to encourage them to go down my flanks.  Since we were the stronger side in midfield i did the press in midfield and hit them with early crosses to get in behind. 

So its contextual. When do you use WBIB? And, is it the go-to for breaking down defensive systems? I haven't resorted to WBIB since FM19 against very defensive sides. It actually kinda interesting, I really wouldn't have thought of this had i not been spending so much time in Italy and Portugal where defensive systems are rampant. I can't speak for everyone, at least only for myself. 

[It's Baggio]

The job application process takes far too long.

Took over a month from application to even get an interview, during the off season. At which point, you're missing out on transfers, contract renewals, etc.

[janrzm]

10 minutes ago, It's Baggio said:

The job application process takes far too long.

Took over a month from application to even get an interview, during the off season. At which point, you're missing out on transfers, contract renewals, etc.

It does my head in when someone on here says it happens in real life......But, I'm a Wednesday fan, we took an absolute age to appoint Monk when Bruce left in pre-season.......

Edited December 23, 2019 by janrzm

[It's Baggio]

3 minutes ago, janrzm said:

It does my head in when someone on here says it happens in real life......But, I'm a Wednesday fan, we took an absolute age to appoint Monk when Bruce left in pre-season.......

I'm sure there are exceptions and in that case, the circumstances were a little different.

However, every time I've applied for jobs it takes ages. Clubs sack their managers at the seasons close, then don't do anything until pre-season has started again.

[Cro-cop]

Not sure where would be the right place to ask so i am going to leave it here.

Got a job in Germany at Bayer L. in 2021. Its 2026 now, we are now CL team, value of the club is 1.5B, stadium capacity is 30.210, average attendance for the last season was 30.011, season before 29.114.

So finances are great, fans are there, but i dont have an option to ask for new stadium. Current stadium was built in 1958. Is there something about Bayer L. or maybe Germany as a country that doesnt allow me to ask for a new stadium??

Thanks.

 

[janrzm]

1 minute ago, It's Baggio said:

I'm sure there are exceptions and in that case, the circumstances were a little different.

However, every time I've applied for jobs it takes ages. Clubs sack their managers at the seasons close, then don't do anything until pre-season has started again.

I was just making the point that it happens and that there should be variances between the time/speed at which clubs make decisions. If you think you're seeing a pattern of clubs being unresponsive and acting without the kind of urgency you'd expect  I'd definitely report it as a potential bug. Nothing will happen to your comment in this thread.

[Bakiano]

4 hours ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

I believe those bonuses go away. That's why it's useful, if you're buying a youth player who may develop into a superstar, but isn't guaranteed, to make as much of the transfer fee as possible reliant on him playing 20 matches internationally and 50 matches for you, because if he never develops to his full potential and you end up selling him on, you don't have to pay those parts.

I always making offers in bonuses in half of the fee. Sometimes it is maybe 60-40%.

[KUBI]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Cro-cop:

Not sure where would be the right place to ask so i am going to leave it here.

Got a job in Germany at Bayer L. in 2021. Its 2026 now, we are now CL team, value of the club is 1.5B, stadium capacity is 30.210, average attendance for the last season was 30.011, season before 29.114.

So finances are great, fans are there, but i dont have an option to ask for new stadium. Current stadium was built in 1958. Is there something about Bayer L. or maybe Germany as a country that doesnt allow me to ask for a new stadium??

Thanks.

 

The bayArena was renovated and enlarged 2009. Maybe this has an influence. Plus the fan base and population is not very big at Leverkusen.

[ThomasJefferson]

Hi!

 

First of all, I'd like to point out that as a seasoned developer, I understand how difficult it is to build such a complex system like the new Match Engine. Having said that, I still need to mention a few painful parts of it and where they might come from. I am also aware that they have been mentioned many times and yes, I have read the post by Neil Brock from Wednesday.

 

1v1 conversion ratio

What I have noticed over the 3 seasons of FM2020 I've played so far is that regardless of tactics used and the strength of the opposition, the vast majority of 1v1 chances are squandered.  This affects not just my team but also the opposition team. The usual scenario is that a forward/winger attacks the goal from an angle not bigger than 45 degrees, the ball is on the ground and then he, completely unchallenged by any defenders, takes a shot using his favoured foot. Counting only such situations as 1v1, the average ratio of conversion is only around ~15%, based on a few games I've actually written down the numbers for. Remember: those are unchallenged world class forwards, shooting with their better foot. The key attributes for my strikers/wingers are:
CF: 17 Fin, 16 Tech, 16 Composure, 16 Decisions
LW: 18 Fin, 17 Tech, 17 Composure, 17 Decisions
RW: 14 Fin, 16 Tech, 16 Composure, 14 Decisions

As you can see, my players are from average. In fact, very similar poor 1v1 finishing kept happening also to the opposition, when I had worse players and they were supposed to be the better team. I do not know what is the data in real life, but I would assume that the best teams in the world regularly put away around 40-50% of the easiest chances possible. Please correct me if real-world data is different and my assumptions are wrong.

1v1 additional problems

1. Reasons for squandering a 1v1: What I haven't mentioned yet is that the vast majority of squandered 1v1s are actually saved by goalkeepers. And they are almost never the most common "shot was straight or too close to the keeper and he managed to save it with his legs/arms/body" situations. They're more in the category of "it was going in the top/bottom corner but the GK pulled off a miraculous save from 5 yards away, jumping exactly in the right direction as the striker hit it". All of these saves (often more than 5 of them in 1 game) would easily belong to the "best saves of the season" compilation. I would feel a lot better, if these 1v1s were squandered in a realistic way: shots missing the target, shots straight at the goalkeeper, GK saving shots with his feet etc. Right now it looks a lot more like the goalkeeper always knows where the shot will be and starts jumping/moving in that direction before that shot is even taken.
2. It happens a lot more when playing away: and I mean, unbelievably more. While writing this post I've realised, that my numbers from before (15% conversion ratio) was taken only from away game. At home my players miss some here and there but they're generally taking such chances and the ratio (I'm guessing) is much closer to the 40-50% line I'm expecting. The difference is so huge that I can't unsee it.
3. I'm still scoring BUT: most of my away goals are either great shots from distance, absolute flukes or set-piece headers. In the same game where my striker misses 5 extremely easy 1v1s, my midfielder scores an absolute belter, right into the top corner, at least 20 yards away. I am not complaining about the results then. I am simply focusing my attention on the way these results happen and how unrealistic they feel.

There is one additional issue with headers going always over the bar and almost never being saved by goalkeepers or going wide, but that's a whole different and much less problematic topic.

I hope this summary will be read by developers and the 1v1 problems slightly improved in one of the patches to this version, before FM2021 gets released. All the best and thank you to moderators for keeping a cool head

Edited December 23, 2019 by ThomasJefferson

[2feet]

15 minutes ago, ThomasJefferson said:

....the vast majority of 1v1 chances are squandered. 

 

Watch Salah's season from 2017-18, when he broke the premier league top scorer record and scored 32 league goals.

Whats shocking is how many absolutely sitters he missed.

And did you see the World Club Cup Final? Firmino, with the ball 10 feet in front of goal, the goalkeeper sat on his arse, he's a world class striker, and what happened? He hit the post.

Im not an FM expert but when you watch a professional game and really make a note of the number of times you would expect a striker to score in a situation and yet he doesnt, its really surprising actually how often it happens.

 

[ThomasJefferson]

1 minute ago, 2feet said:

Whats shocking is how many absolutely sitters he missed.

 

Are you telling me that his conversion rate of extreme 1v1s was around 15%?

Of course there are chances missed. I have clearly mentioned what ratio I would expect from world class finishers. Anecdotal evidence like "but XYZ missed N chances" is not exactly on the same topic.

[KUBI]

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