Football Manager 2020 Feedback Thread

[Travis Bickle]

The responses to the minimum spec discussion are laughable. 

You can buy a laptop for £200 that has 4GB RAM and a laptop for £330 that has 8GB RAM. Anyone buying a laptop today looking to get some use out of it will be buying 8 or 16GB RAM.

My own laptop has 32GB RAM. 

I have never, not in years, heard of someone buying a laptop with RAM as low as 2GB. 

[jbricandy]

4 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

Nonsense, the Scribe has fiercely defended criticism of the game in his videos, unless he's changed his tune over the last few days. 

you mean he fiercely refuted criticism? i mean, if you're going to come on the forums just to disagree with everyone, at least make sense.

[GuitarMan]

7 minutes ago, Travis Bickle said:

The responses to the minimum spec discussion are laughable. 

You can buy a laptop for £200 that has 4GB RAM and a laptop for £330 that has 8GB RAM. Anyone buying a laptop today looking to get some use out of it will be buying 8 or 16GB RAM.

My own laptop has 32GB RAM. 

I have never, not in years, heard of someone buying a laptop with RAM as low as 2GB. 

It’s not necessarily new laptops. I for instance play on a nine year old laptop that was at best mid range 9 years ago.

SI will have data about specs, but one of my laptops is below minimum spec and one is just meeting it.

FM players are not all typical gamers (see the new pc thread for more evidence of this) but I wouldn’t laugh off the minimum specs thing 

[IrrelevantLion]

1 hour ago, KUBI said:

AI teams change their tactics when you finished above expectations. If you change nothing this might be the reason for your bad run. 

But surely teams like Liverpool are good at football because they stick to a tactic and are good at it. Arbitrarily starting to lose because you keep using a good tactic seems a bit cheap

[erjonpepa2017]

hey please can someone help me because when I try to install fm 2020 its says it's not available in ur correct platform . what should I do pls 

[Federico]

2 minuti fa, erjonpepa2017 ha scritto:

hey please can someone help me because when I try to install fm 2020 its says it's not available in ur correct platform . what should I do pls 

Raise a thread in here.

https://community.sigames.com/forum/738-crashes-technical-issues/

[KUBI]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb erjonpepa2017:

hey please can someone help me because when I try to install fm 2020 its says it's not available in ur correct platform . what should I do pls 

Which platform are you using? (Computer and OS?)

[erjonpepa2017]

Just now, KUBI said:

Which platform are you using? (Computer and OS?)

windows 7 , 4 gb ram , Intel Core 2 duo , 

[erjonpepa2017]

1 minute ago, erjonpepa2017 said:

windows 7 , 4 gb ram , Intel Core 2 duo , 

I downloaded the 64 bit tho but it's the same thing

[KUBI]

Gerade eben schrieb erjonpepa2017:

windows 7 , 4 gb ram , Intel Core 2 duo , 

You need a 64 bit operating system to run FM. If your W7 is 32 bit you need to update it to 64 bit version.

[erjonpepa2017]

Just now, Murraymint said:

Is your system 64 Bit? It can't be 32 bit

yes it is 32 bit what should I do

[erjonpepa2017]

Just now, KUBI said:

You need a 64 bit operating system to run FM. If your W7 is 32 bit you need to update it to 64 bit version.

how can I do it 

[KUBI]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb erjonpepa2017:

how can I do it 

Important! - You need to backup all your data first

[roykela]

15 minutes ago, IrrelevantLion said:

But surely teams like Liverpool are good at football because they stick to a tactic and are good at it. Arbitrarily starting to lose because you keep using a good tactic seems a bit cheap

Probably a bit of nitpicking but;
They stick to a footballing strategy. In order to acheive that they create tactics. Those tactics will change, probably not by too much, from game to game,
while still sticking to their overall strategy.
A good tactic for one game might not be as good for the next game. With the quality of players they have at their disposal they won't have to change much. But it changes, ever so slightly.
Starting to lose might just be a mentality/morale problem. If it persists then they might have to revise their tactics in order to go acheive the overall strategy.

[JordanMilly]

3 hours ago, rjferguson90 said:

I'm sorry, but I honestly find it incredible that this was posted. Arguably the most crucial part of the game is totally unsatisfactory to most users, and you're suggesting that people should visit the tactics forum to exploit the bugs and errors. Unbelievable.

You'll probably find that there's nothing to support that it's totally unsatisfactory to "most" users, given that:

1) a hell of a lot of people are playing the game every day (and currently, over 76,000 people are playing it, putting it in the Steam top 10 (https://store.steampowered.com/stats/);

2) The reviews for the game, even on Steam, are "Mostly Positive", which is pretty decent;

3) The number of people on the forum is a tiny fraction of the total number of players, and there are a substantial number of people even here on these forums that are happily playing the game.

Are there issues? Yes, SI have admitted as such. Is the ME "totally unsatisfactory"? That's entirely subjective depending on what a given player is wanting, and in my opinion, I'm having fun with it, I've adapted tactics to reduce the issues until there's a patch, and I'm enjoying the game. Others may not, which is an entirely legitimate view, but individuals posting hundreds of times about the same 2-3 issues, and saying the same things, isn't going to make the patch come any quicker.

@KUBI posted an option that some people may want to take. Please don't bite his head off for it.

[He can't believe he's missed it]

6 minutes ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

You'll probably find that there's nothing to support that it's totally unsatisfactory to "most" users, given that:

1) a hell of a lot of people are playing the game every day (and currently, over 76,000 people are playing it, putting it in the Steam top 10 (https://store.steampowered.com/stats/);

2) The reviews for the game, even on Steam, are "Mostly Positive", which is pretty decent;

3) The number of people on the forum is a tiny fraction of the total number of players, and there are a substantial number of people even here on these forums that are happily playing the game.

Are there issues? Yes, SI have admitted as such. Is the ME "totally unsatisfactory"? That's entirely subjective depending on what a given player is wanting, and in my opinion, I'm having fun with it, I've adapted tactics to reduce the issues until there's a patch, and I'm enjoying the game. Others may not, which is an entirely legitimate view, but individuals posting hundreds of times about the same 2-3 issues, and saying the same things, isn't going to make the patch come any quicker.

@KUBI posted an option that some people may want to take. Please don't bite his head off for it.

You do understand that people being told to try and adapt their approach to mitigate issues in a game that they've paid for while being told to sit and wait for it to be fixed with no obvious timescale is the reason for most of the anger?

[Mitja]

12 minutes ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

You'll probably find that there's nothing to support that it's totally unsatisfactory to "most" users, given that:

1) a hell of a lot of people are playing the game every day (and currently, over 76,000 people are playing it, putting it in the Steam top 10 (https://store.steampowered.com/stats/);

2) The reviews for the game, even on Steam, are "Mostly Positive", which is pretty decent;

3) The number of people on the forum is a tiny fraction of the total number of players, and there are a substantial number of people even here on these forums that are happily playing the game.

Are there issues? Yes, SI have admitted as such. Is the ME "totally unsatisfactory"? That's entirely subjective depending on what a given player is wanting, and in my opinion, I'm having fun with it, I've adapted tactics to reduce the issues until there's a patch, and I'm enjoying the game. Others may not, which is an entirely legitimate view, but individuals posting hundreds of times about the same 2-3 issues, and saying the same things, isn't going to make the patch come any quicker.

@KUBI posted an option that some people may want to take. Please don't bite his head off for it.

With all due respect, posts like this add nothing since this is repetaed more than hundred times. Only fires up people and I doubt that is what SI really want. Cheers.

[Gee_Simpson]

On 11/01/2020 at 08:41, andu1 said:

Go buy yourself a striker with likes to lob keeper ppm.

 

 

Kidding, i think he was too far away to the keeper to be considered a one on one. Beautiful goal anyway.

Nice finish. 

[janrzm]

On 11/01/2020 at 23:28, KlaaZ said:

Newsflash: Defenders make mistakes. It's how 95% of all goals are scored.

I don’t recall ever seeing one asleep on the pitch though....

Edited January 12, 2020 by janrzm

[battles_atlas]

When you think about the advances we've seen in the last decade in terms of both processing power and techniques like machine learning, I think the saddest part of all discussion here is what we should be talking about when discussing the ME is the need to bring it into the 2020s with a total overhaul, and instead we're arguing that the current engine, which looked shabby a decade ago, needs to be fixed just so it isn't hugely immersion breaking. It seems to me - without any internal knowledge of the code of course - that SI are hitting the limits of bodging together incremental changes every year. I would love to know how physics are handled in the game for example. The visuals suggest the modelling of player physics is extremely rudimentary - like its completely incapable of showing a tussle between two players for the ball, instead you get clipping and jerking when players come together. You will never see players collide in FM. Goalkeepers still look ridiculous often. Hell, even far more simple physics stuff like the trajectory of balls coming back off the woodwork are completely mad at times. We're so used to this stuff now that its actually easy to become blind to it most of the time.

If this is all due to the fact that the code underneath just models players as a single point in space, or at best a stickman, rather than an actual body, then its no surprising that efforts to increasingly improve the realism communicated to players ends up just making the match engine less effective. Its like trying to add more shopping to a plastic bag held together with tape, when what you should be doing is making a new sack.

Of course this is all just speculation, because as far as I know SI share almost nothing about the match engine's workings, and never comment on the possibility of a new engine, but experiences like this year just convince me that SI's match engine team are being asked to do too much with too little time and too little investment, and if money were really invested in the problem, this game could be so much more advanced than it is. Unfortunately SI have no competition in this space to push them, and I think it shows with the very minimal changes that FM sees every year.

Edited January 12, 2020 by battles_atlas

[Tiger666]

3 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

Yes, and if you're not happy with it, voice your displeasure at it, complain even if you feel that strongly. 

But 'anger'? 

That should be reserved for corrupt governments, the Tories, and the rise in foodbanks in a developed nation to name but a few. 

If you are THAT angry about a computer game, it's high time you did something else with your spare time. 

I suspect that may be straying somewhat off topic, however. 

It's not your place to decide how others should feel about a product they have bought. As long as they're being civil and constructive, I see no problem with it. If they're not being civil and constructive, it's the mods job to step in, not yours.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Tiger666

[j4y_z]

36 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

It's a product people have paid for.

Yes. So why didn't you try out the demo before buying?

[Tiger666]

1 minute ago, j4y_z said:

Yes. So why didn't you try out the demo before buying?

This isn't about me. For what it's worth I did and the match engine was quite different to how it is now.

[Mitja]

5 minutes ago, j4y_z said:

Yes. So why didn't you try out the demo before buying?

Demo finishes when tactics start to be a little more familiar so it's not the best for judging ME. 

[KUBI]

@Dagenham_Dave

Stop winding up other users in this thread. We want feedback and not bickering between users.

[j4y_z]

2 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

This isn't about me. For what it's worth I did and the match engine was quite different to how it is now.

So why didn't they try out the demo? 

Really? The current problems started after the beta. That's precisely when the demo is available. Because the demo is patched with the full game, i doubt that there was much difference. 

[j4y_z]

5 minutes ago, Mitja said:

Demo finishes when tactics start to be a little more familiar so it's not the best for judging ME. 

Ah, try the Touch demo then. 

[KUBI]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb Dagenham_Dave:

I wasn't aware I was. 

Permission to set up an 'FM Bickering' thread? 

Take it as a last warning. I will remove your latest posts and the response as we don't want to have that kind of "interaction" in this thread anymore.

[Tiger666]

1 minute ago, j4y_z said:

So why didn't they try out the demo?

I've no idea you'll have to ask them. I'm not angry about anything. I've submitted over 20 bug threads since purchasing the game. A lot of them have not had a response. If the game gets patched and it turns out my reports have been ignored, then I'll be pretty annoyed.

[j4y_z]

12 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

I've no idea you'll have to ask them. I'm not angry about anything. I've submitted over 20 bug threads since purchasing the game. A lot of them have not had a response. If the game gets patched and it turns out my reports have been ignored, then I'll be pretty annoyed.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I was not directing the question at you personally, I was just using your response to ask the crowd. 

Is buying the pig in the poke a thing now? 

[KVJ92]

Haven't updated on latest posts here. 

But I'm guessing there's much on club vision stuff? 

I can add to that. I'm supposed to challenge for the title and according to the board I'm not. 

I get this news saying they are disappointed, as I'm "so many points behind"

I'm 1(!) point behind with 10 games to go. 

Can I continue without the risk of being sacked because of this?

Will a update fix this in already started save? 

[bleventozturk]

12 minutes ago, KVJ92 said:

Haven't updated on latest posts here. 

But I'm guessing there's much on club vision stuff? 

I can add to that. I'm supposed to challenge for the title and according to the board I'm not. 

I get this news saying they are disappointed, as I'm "so many points behind"

I'm 1(!) point behind with 10 games to go. 

Can I continue without the risk of being sacked because of this?

Will a update fix this in already started save? 

I don't know if that is a bug or not, but maybe the expectation was for you to be comfortably ahead in the lead? So, you are 1 point behind the first place team, but maybe you are 10 points behind of what they were expecting?

[KVJ92]

2 minutes ago, bleventozturk said:

I don't know if that is a bug or not, but maybe the expectation was for you to be comfortably ahead in the lead? So, you are 1 point behind the first place team, but maybe you are 10 points behind of what they were expecting?

But that's not "Challenge for the title" then.

And my media prediction is 4th. 

[MatthewS17]

3 hours ago, Travis Bickle said:

The responses to the minimum spec discussion are laughable. 

You can buy a laptop for £200 that has 4GB RAM and a laptop for £330 that has 8GB RAM. Anyone buying a laptop today looking to get some use out of it will be buying 8 or 16GB RAM.

My own laptop has 32GB RAM. 

I have never, not in years, heard of someone buying a laptop with RAM as low as 2GB. 

I'm getting rather tired of seeing these types of posts. Not because it affects me, but because it is so entitled, self revolving and ignorant. That's not an insult. It's how it comes across. 

First of all, thousands of people play this game around the world. Not everyone works with pounds and not everyone is living in a country with a healthy economy and decent paying job. You have no idea how expensive this is in some countries. 

For example, laptops in my country are phenomally expensive and a 4GB laptop is usually equal to the average monthly salary. 

That's if you're buying one with just a simple integrated graphics card. Prices go up by 50% of that total price for one with 8GB of RAM. 

Not everybody is in the same situation as you and it is insensitive and elitist of someone to think so. 

So, some consideration is needed here. 

Edited January 12, 2020 by MatthewS17

[bleventozturk]

2 minutes ago, KVJ92 said:

But that's not "Challenge for the title" then.

And my media prediction is 4th. 

I see, never mind then 

[He can't believe he's missed it]

51 minutes ago, j4y_z said:

So why didn't they try out the demo? 

Really? The current problems started after the beta. That's precisely when the demo is available. Because the demo is patched with the full game, i doubt that there was much difference. 

I remember someone earlier saying the demo was showing an earlier version of the ME compared to what the actual release had, was a few weeks ago though.

[Tiger666]

Masterclass in goalkeeping here. All in one match. WIll submit another bug report tomorrow. Still got a 6.5 mind.

 

Edited January 12, 2020 by Tiger666

[erjonpepa2017]

3 hours ago, KUBI said:

Important! - You need to backup all your data first

so I can't download it I need to buy the disc ?

[bleventozturk]

13 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

Masterclass in goalkeeping here. All in one match. WIll submit another bug report tomorrow. Still got a 6.5 mind.

 

So much to fix in this ME. How did it become this mess  , and I can't imagine how much time SI would need to fix all this. I am guessing a lot will be left to be fixed for FM 21, but stuff like this one you are showing is a must fix thing, because it entirely kills the motivation to continue playing. This never happened to me in 1 season, somehow, but after a match like this how can you get yourself to go through your tactical setup for the next match? I mean what is the point right?

 

Edited January 12, 2020 by bleventozturk

[styluz05]

3 hours ago, GuitarMan said:

It’s not necessarily new laptops. I for instance play on a nine year old laptop that was at best mid range 9 years ago.

SI will have data about specs, but one of my laptops is below minimum spec and one is just meeting it.

FM players are not all typical gamers (see the new pc thread for more evidence of this) but I wouldn’t laugh off the minimum specs thing 

Agreed, until recently I was playing with a Pentium J and 4gb of ram with roughly 10 nations loaded and 75k player database. 

 

Ran smoothish got slower as game went on but I played into 20seasons plus with it on saves.

[KUBI]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb erjonpepa2017:

so I can't download it I need to buy the disc ?

It's possible to download it:

https://www.ubackup.com/windows-7/upgrade-windows-7-32-bit-to-64-bit.html

[Tiger666]

9 minutes ago, bleventozturk said:

So much to fix in this ME. How did it become this mess  , and I can't imagine how much time SI would need to fix all this. I am guessing a lot will be left to be fixed for FM 21, but stuff like this one you are showing is a must fix thing, because it entirely kills the motivation to continue playing. This never happened to me in 1 season, somehow, but after a match like this how can you get yourself to go through your tactical setup for the next match? I mean what is the point right?

 

Luckily it was the opposition goalkeeper or my PC would be in the back garden by now. But yes, I'll be surprised if all this gets fixed by the final patch in March.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Tiger666

[Mitja]

11 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

Luckily it was the opposition goalkeeper or my PC would be in the back garden by now. But yes, I'll be surprised if all this gets fixed by the final patch in March.

Pretty close to game being youknowwhat.

[bleventozturk]

Just putting this out here, a long time player's feedback. Number 1 and 2 are the ME, not surprisignly:

 

Edited January 12, 2020 by bleventozturk

[KUBI]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb bleventozturk:

Just putting this out here, a long time player's feedback. Number 1 and 2 are the ME, not surprisignly:

 

The worst thing about such videos are the length.

[bleventozturk]

There are also things there that have been waiting for a fix for years, yet they are untouched and instead time is spent on changing the look of staff responsibilities.

Such as the match sounds. It actually got worse this year, after being the same for years. It sounds bugged right now, where you can hear rapid tapping on the ball sometimes, or sometimes not hearing cheers during a goal but you hear them during the replay, etc. Why would SI not spend time to improve the sounds?

 

Edited January 12, 2020 by bleventozturk

[bleventozturk]

Just now, KUBI said:

The worst thing about such videos are the length.

It is a pretty short list tbh, considering 

[KUBI]

vor 1 Minute schrieb bleventozturk:

Why would SI not spend time to improve the sounds?

Because it's not that easy as it looks. If you want to record good sounds, you need to do it in a stadium. And for that you need a permission and a license to use it in the game. 

[bleventozturk]

Just now, KUBI said:

Because it's not that easy as it looks. If you want to record good sounds, you need to do it in a stadium. And for that you need a permission and a license to use it in the game. 

I get that, but how about at least getting it (whatever sound you have available) synchronized with what is happening on the pitch? You don't need permit for that.

[Tiger666]

14 minutes ago, bleventozturk said:

Just putting this out here, a long time player's feedback. Number 1 and 2 are the ME, not surprisignly:

 

10.15 is this: