MBarbaric Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 43 minuti fa, Armistice ha scritto: Some people will say that's bad defending. If it wasn't counter attack, then it was indeed poor defensive shape. Note the positioning of black wingers while the opposition plays through the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
91836 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, MBarbaric said: If it wasn't counter attack, then it was indeed poor defensive shape. Note the positioning of black wingers while the opposition plays through the middle. The wingers are probably set to attack duty. For whatever reason SI has again decided to make wide players sit incredibly wide without the ball when they're on attack. Very unrealistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenc Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Obaaa said: The problem is the sheer number of chances created from awful/no defending. The ME compensates this with loads of missed chances to make the scorelines semi-realistic. My own "conspiracy comment" was meant to be tongue in cheek. Balancing the game does not work that way. On early FM15 Players reported Weekly 6-4 scorelines, and to lesser extent even some AI sides produced some interesting average results. Unlike most of the chances in that Arsenal match, there were tactical combinatioins that actually pulled Players all over the shop and drag defenders severely out of Position for the Forward to have time to create tap-in-like Scenarios, as they caused up to half a Team not to help defending. By that logic, SI should have made forwards bottling basically open goals to Keep scorelines realistic. They did not. Those are genuine chances. Still on almost all of those one on ones the Forward still Ends up being closed down and pushed at pace. He's also still facing a fully game keeper, as so typical. The one on ones may still be much to frequent / and too oftenly missed/saved/put at the keeper. However even with a realistic scoring Ratio it is doubtful that they would balloon average scorelines anything quite like anything early FM 2015. I think this Needs be stressed as if you follow that line of thought a step further, you may make the conclusion that the game were out to artificially punish your side by making them struggling to score when having "too many chances". At that Point you would never look for possible Solutions for Problems you Encounter, and would explain everything away with another Theory. Pretty sure it's under review. Also Pretty sure that SI try to aim at a somewhat realistic balance -- which they may still fail on. Besides, if the Goal of the engine was it to produce "realistic scorelines no matter what", there'd be probably far less obvious (and less customer enraging ) Methods of ensuring such than deliberately coding Forwards not being able to convert a thing over and over. Edited November 16, 2019 by Svenc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, 91836 said: The wingers are probably set to attack duty. For whatever reason SI has again decided to make wide players sit incredibly wide without the ball when they're on attack. Very unrealistic This is from FM15... Which is why again, people should stick to giving feedback on FM20 only, all that's happening here is that is getting muddied Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Johnny Ace said: There's a guy on youtube, Second Yellow Card I think that plays with a skin that's changed it so it's possible So you cant toggle it off and on? That's a bit rubbish. Thanks for the tip though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, martplfc1 said: So you cant toggle it off and on? That's a bit rubbish. Thanks for the tip though Not that I know too but looks like a skin will shift it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Dagenham_Dave said: They introduced that last year. Best goal I scored on FM19 was a wonderful curling shot into the top corner from Dennis Praet in my Sampdoria save. Didn't play 19 much, but Gomez almost scored a wonderful curling effort - hit the post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: This is from FM15... Which is why again, people should stick to giving feedback on FM20 only, all that's happening here is that is getting muddied Sorry Sheep! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said: 178 hours* into this game so far (plus another 10 on classic mode). That's about 3 times as long as I'd put into an RPG or something on the PS4. And it's not even been released yet. How people can query this game's value for money is beyond me. *still only 3/4 through the 2nd season You easily get your money's worth, if it keeps me out the pub one Saturday night I'm quid's in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, Obaaa said: Just watched it out of interest and yeah it's laughably bad. Doesn't matter if it's a Youtuber streaming one game or anyone else seeing it happen in 100 games, it's still unrealistic. The problem is the sheer number of chances created from awful/no defending. The ME compensates this with loads of missed chances to make the scorelines semi-realistic. It's not unrealistic if it's a one off (although admittedly this apparently isnt, I've not watched the videos). I've seen my own football team miss five simple chances in one match, including a winger shooting from a tight angle and missing instead of cutting the ball back, and a missed one on one... In saying that, we've also missed something incredible like 7 penalties in the past two seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycarrie Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Bit optimistic from the Wolves board in the second season: (They both say 'Reach UEFA Champions League Final (minimum)' Whereas on the CL itself they ask for quarter finals: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defensive Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) vor 5 Stunden schrieb kiwityke1983: Arsenal must have missed 6 or 7 clear one on one's in the second match. Ferminio scored a laughable OG in the first and missed an absolute sitter to boot. It looks laughable when u sit and watch 2 games back to back like that. Is scoring some own goal now a bug? I don't know what you are talking about? The first game is completely normal and in the second ManU left too much space in the first half and Arsenal missed 4 or 5 very good chances. Not 20 or 25. Second half ManU recovered. And now? I've seen games like that like a million times in football, what's wrong with that? Edited November 16, 2019 by Defensive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chappie.dm Posted November 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2019 So I've clocked up 54 hours in the Beta this year. My thoughts as follows: My playing time over the years has dropped considerably (I'm a veteran that has played since Champ Man) and last year I managed only 59 hours (pathetic I know). However, this year I think we have turned a corner; the ME (after the public Beta update) is superb (please don't change it) and for the first time in years I feel like the game can hold my attention for months. The focus on long term play actually feels great and although I'm only two seasons into my save on the Beta it feels like there's a lot of miles to go yet. This is what FM is all about for me. Whether it is with my beloved Man City or a lower league team (I fancy Bolton this year as a long term save) this iteration has me salivating and after a long day at work my first thought is signing that new wonderkid or shoring up my dodgy defence. Bravo SI!! This game can never be a perfect representation of our beautiful game but this one is the best for years. I rarely venture onto the forums because, frankly, I'm too busy playing the game. If I was a newbie the negativity on here would put me off. Luckily I am wise to the forums and take the moaning with a pinch of salt. I am big and daft enough to make my own mind up on the game and whilst many on here are helpful there are more that just whinge. Looking forward to the full version release on the 19th and - hopefully - there will be many many more hours to enjoy. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rain94 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Any negatives to having only 1 Data Analyst and 0 Chief Data Analyst? What does the CDA add? Also, any benefits to having more than 1 Data Analyst? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I'm still not getting relationship lines between players, had 20 games since the latest update where people were reporting it had been sorted and still not seen anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigV Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, themadsheep2001 said: This is from FM15... Which is why again, people should stick to giving feedback on FM20 only, all that's happening here is that is getting muddied I do think comparisons are neccessary (maybe a seperate thread??) all be it indirectly relevant to 20. I think the feedback is all that could be given as about now as other stuff tend to be bugs or in different threads that's subjective to them rather than a whole. I just think people want a good ME and comparing it to the likes of 15-17 is where the bench mark is (IMO). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cegidog Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) I went to an actual game today, which featured a red card, a missed penalty, an injury time winner, a one on one that hit the post, a missed open goal, several long shots, zero creativity in midfield, lots of wide play with full backs very prominent, defenders passing the ball to the opposition when under no pressure, goalkeepers kicking straight into touch for no reason, 33 shots in total, 16 corners, lots of misplaced passes and one team packing the box with half a dozen players. FM20 doing a decent job of simulating League one football. Really enjoying the Beta, the ME is great fun to play. Edited November 16, 2019 by Cegidog 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I'm still not getting relationship lines between players, had 20 games since the latest update where people were reporting it had been sorted and still not seen anything Me neither. I'm almost at the end of the season, and I've never seen a single line between players, good or bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, BigV said: I just think people want a good ME and comparing it to the likes of 15-17 is where the bench mark is (IMO). Yeah, but you're comparing finished versions that went through several updates to get there to a game which is still in 'beta' and hasn't actually been released yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plcarlos Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Not sure if this belong here or the Funny screenshots thread: "Don't get outclassed too often" No idea what that supposed to mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delvi Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 These are two screenshots from the last Champions League final, they are a good example of how teams tend to ideally defend really narrow: Thiese are two screenshot from Napoli when Sarri was the coach and are the best example for the pressing when the ball is "covered" (first image) and "not covered" (second image), I think this is one of the most important aspects of football nowadays and it would be great to have control on the way pressing is done in different situations: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, plcarlos said: Not sure if this belong here or the Funny screenshots thread: "Don't get outclassed too often" No idea what that supposed to mean? Don't get thrashed too often Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said: Yeah, but you're comparing finished versions that went through several updates to get there to a game which is still in 'beta' and hasn't actually been released yet. 'tis true, I've been reading the FM15 beta feedback thread & the moaning going on in there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I'm still not getting relationship lines between players, had 20 games since the latest update where people were reporting it had been sorted and still not seen anything Just into September in the first season and the first 2 relationship lines have appeared. This is also with a squad that I rotate pretty hard so players playing together is not all that regular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, FrazT said: Just into September in the first season and the first 2 relationship lines have appeared. This is also with a squad that I rotate pretty hard so players playing together is not all that regular. Is it worth me reporting it? Im still on my day 1 save if that would affect things? I've just counted it and it must be around 20 games my two CBs have played together since the last update yet nothing. They've played around 50 games together in total. Edited November 16, 2019 by RandomGuy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 @RandomGuyIt could be the older save, but in truth, I don't how how the code is written to decide if it is a bug or not Maybe watch and decide a bit later after the launch frenzy has died down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, FrazT said: @RandomGuyIt could be the older save, but in truth, I don't how how the code is written to decide if it is a bug or not Maybe watch and decide a bit later after the launch frenzy has died down? You wont believe this, but I've gone to start the next match and a relationship line has popped up between my midfielders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImDaWeasel Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 47 minutes ago, plcarlos said: Not sure if this belong here or the Funny screenshots thread: "Don't get outclassed too often" No idea what that supposed to mean? "We don't care about the competition but don't get pumped" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwabik Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 One other thing I noticed in FM20: a really good teams finally feel like really good teams. In previous games you could always hope for an upset even if you had had way worse players, in this game you finally can feel the difference in quality between good and REALLY good side. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwityke1983 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Defensive said: Is scoring some own goal now a bug? I don't know what you are talking about? The first game is completely normal and in the second ManU left too much space in the first half and Arsenal missed 4 or 5 very good chances. Not 20 or 25. Second half ManU recovered. And now? I've seen games like that like a million times in football, what's wrong with that? Not a bug. It's the laughable way the OG was scored that makes me laugh at the ME. It was essentially 4 or 5 Liverpool players trying to tackle each other and the ball ricocheting off him and in. I've seen this happen loads on the new update. It looks rediculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwityke1983 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: Is it worth me reporting it? Im still on my day 1 save if that would affect things? I've just counted it and it must be around 20 games my two CBs have played together since the last update yet nothing. They've played around 50 games together in total. I didn't get a single relationship forming with my squad in 3 seasons pre-big-update. Since the big update most of my team have formed relationships by the end of October. So maybe give it another month or so. Edited November 17, 2019 by kiwityke1983 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwityke1983 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Obaaa said: Just watched it out of interest and yeah it's laughably bad. Doesn't matter if it's a Youtuber streaming one game or anyone else seeing it happen in 100 games, it's still unrealistic. The problem is the sheer number of chances created from awful/no defending. The ME compensates this with loads of missed chances to make the scorelines semi-realistic. I didn't think the defending was poor, the tactic was being ripped apart due to having no midfield cover and a high line against Arsenal's pace up front, which he should have been punished for, but seeing as clear cut chances have about as much chance of being goals as goalkicks on this game he barely even registered this fact, which is what is unrealistic and immersion killing for me. It's not unusual to see 5 or 6 clear cut chances missed in one game regularly in FM20 since the update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikolaMo Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Sorry to go off topic, but has anyone else experienced a lot of game freezes/crashes during games after 20.10 patch? The ME after the update looks good, but the game is awfully unstable for me. This year's FM edition in terms of game optimization and technical issues is a total disappointment to me! If the game is this unstable after the release I'm tempted to consider a refund even though I love all the new editions and constant ME improvements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, nikolaMo said: Sorry to go off topic, but has anyone else experienced a lot of game freezes/crashes during games after 20.10 patch? The ME after the update looks good, but the game is awfully unstable for me. This year's FM edition in terms of game optimization and technical issues is a total disappointment to me! If the game is this unstable after the release I'm tempted to consider a refund even though I love all the new editions and constant ME improvements. Raise this in the Bugs forum for help with this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzabish Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Liverpool, as good as they are irl, seem absolutely unplayable on this. Playing as Arsenal, just got hammered 5-0 away (so maybe not that unrealistic!), despite having more shots and more possession. Edited November 17, 2019 by hazzabish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srvngrc Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 saat önce, FrazT said: Just into September in the first season and the first 2 relationship lines have appeared. This is also with a squad that I rotate pretty hard so players playing together is not all that regular. It’s my 2nd season and the two midfielders have played at least 50 matches together. Still no lines between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
karanhsingh Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 So after the new patch the game is lagging quite a bit, especially in game when setting opposition instructions etc. also whenever we make a tactical change or a shout or something suddenly the volume gets cut out for a split second before starting again. None of this was happening earlier. Is anyone else experiencing it? Anything can be done? Not a game breaker obviously but just a bit annoying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3maldini3 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) I'd say it's impossible to catch them now Edited November 17, 2019 by turgi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feriboy2 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, karanhsingh said: So after the new patch the game is lagging quite a bit, especially in game when setting opposition instructions etc. also whenever we make a tactical change or a shout or something suddenly the volume gets cut out for a split second before starting again. None of this was happening earlier. Is anyone else experiencing it? Anything can be done? Not a game breaker obviously but just a bit annoying I don't experience lagging but i have that annoying sound issue too, it has been reported: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, karanhsingh said: So after the new patch the game is lagging quite a bit, especially in game when setting opposition instructions etc. also whenever we make a tactical change or a shout or something suddenly the volume gets cut out for a split second before starting again. None of this was happening earlier. Is anyone else experiencing it? Anything can be done? Not a game breaker obviously but just a bit annoying Me and a lot of people have this issue.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Iwabik said: One other thing I noticed in FM20: a really good teams finally feel like really good teams. In previous games you could always hope for an upset even if you had had way worse players, in this game you finally can feel the difference in quality between good and REALLY good side. Aye. I'm playing in Scotland and Celtic are just a complete monster. In my first two seasons I think theyve lost a total of 6 domestic games, mostly in the cups which I guess they probably dont care too much about. Finished last on 100pts and a ridiculous goal difference. I've not checked their full season results, but in October of season two I checked, and my 2-0 loss to them, where i didnt even get a shot on target, was the best any team had managed. After that there had been a couple of 4-0s, a 5-0, and a 6-0. Their wage bill is around 36 times bigger than mine... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 ME is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. I fully enjoy the latest ME and if they improve it at release all the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Obaaa Posted November 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2019 I think opinions of the ME depend on who you ask. As someone who enjoys the tactical side of football more than anything else, I regularly watch full matches and never less than comprehensive highlights and there are so many problems as already highlighted in this thread the past few days since the update. But if you throw together any old tactic, perhaps one of the standard suggested tactics, and play on key highlights then you may find the ME to be perfectly fine. It definitely has improved since the beta was first released and hopefully upon release of the full game the remaining issues can be ironed out. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazRTaylor Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I have just reported this in the Bugs Forum but curious if anyone else has encountered it? I am playing as FC United. The games is in season four. I am promoted to League Two and the board want to expand the stadium (league minimum is 5,000 capacity and the club's is only 4,400). The work is completed and my capacity after completion is only 3,096 with 2,000 seats. So not only has the capacity gone down, but the ground does not fit with league rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defensive Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 vor 9 Stunden schrieb kiwityke1983: Not a bug. It's the laughable way the OG was scored that makes me laugh at the ME. It was essentially 4 or 5 Liverpool players trying to tackle each other and the ball ricocheting off him and in. I've seen this happen loads on the new update. It looks rediculous. Again, very realistic for me. Weird own goals happen all the time in real life. I dont want to see Roboter Manager 2020. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lempicka Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Seeing some lovely through balls with the current ME. Tight call, but the linesman's flag stayed down. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1111 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 After nearly a full season on comprehensive highlights I can say that this latest version is a vastly better ME than FM19. It fixes 3 of the biggest issues from FM19; Realistic number of crosses per game (down from around 100 in FM19) AI on defensive mentalities can't just keep possession forever anymore The best teams are actually dominant and present a real challenge (Man City and Liverpool are both heading for over 95 points) The biggest gripes for me are the number of offsides and penalties and wingers shooting in the side netting or post from the byline. But these are minor things that can be fixed, the core of the game is much improved. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwityke1983 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, Defensive said: Again, very realistic for me. Weird own goals happen all the time in real life. I dont want to see Roboter Manager 2020. Weird stuff happens true enough. 6 of the same team gang tackling each other then blasting the ball into the face of their own player does not however. Which is what essentially happened for that OG. Especially at a top 6 EPL side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flibidigibit Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Think I clocked the beta... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzabish Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Playing first time since the update. Good points: - no more endless switching of play - long shots from midfield reduced a lot - not as many shots from stupid angles, still too many braindead players though Bad points: - If anything you seem to miss more one on ones now. Aubameyang has had 16 so far and 12 have been saved, 4 missed completely. Keepers seem overpowered in that regard - as ever, the ai team seem to need half or less good chances to score, no matter who they are. Player attributes seem irrelevant sometimes. - I'm finding away form hard to come by. It seems you are not allowed to play attacking football away from home. I'm just using someone else's plug and play formation, where they went a season unbeaten... - 'he did so well until the finish' and other commentary like this. If your players beats 5 players and has an open goal he will miss, guaranteed. Edited November 17, 2019 by hazzabish 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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