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@Seb Wassell i have a new question; We know (because of this great topic ) what will influence the youth intake quality. For improving the personalities, does it help to have staff (senior and or youth staff) with good personalties? Or is the personalty of the hoyd the only important one? I always try to find staff with good personalties but not sure if this works all the time.

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10 hours ago, OlivierL said:

For improving the personalities, does it help to have staff (senior and or youth staff) with good personalties?

According to this, staff does not influence players. Their Personalities might matter in the sense that positive ones have better Determination, which directly impacts the quality of their coaching (Determination, Level of Discipline, Motivating), but their Personalities apparently can't rub off in the same way player Personalities can.

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6 hours ago, Zemahh said:

According to this, staff does not influence players. Their Personalities might matter in the sense that positive ones have better Determination, which directly impacts the quality of their coaching (Determination, Level of Discipline, Motivating), but their Personalities apparently can't rub off in the same way player Personalities can.

Thanks but if i read this correctly :

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As far as I'm aware, staff personality doesn't influence player personality once a player is actually at the club - only during newgen "creation".


 

That means it will influence future youth intakes.

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On 27/11/2020 at 22:15, OlivierL said:

@Seb Wassell i have a new question; We know (because of this great topic ) what will influence the youth intake quality. For improving the personalities, does it help to have staff (senior and or youth staff) with good personalties? Or is the personalty of the hoyd the only important one? I always try to find staff with good personalties but not sure if this works all the time.

You want all youth related staff to have 'preferable' personalities, but the HoYD is the key.

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Just a quick question. Playing in Gibraltar , in the second season i'm upgrading my youth facilities but after the end of the first season , i saw that the U19 squad is visible.

I can hire staff, but i can't control the training or select a tactic. Is this because the youth facilities are still upgrading? 

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i can't put myself as responsible for any training parts.. to get them into my icon bar.

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A bug or will it be ok after the improvement of the YT fac ?

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Since this guide is awesome and it's also about youth training. How do I prevent other clubs  stealing youth from me? Once a year I got a message a certain club has picked up one of my youthplayers. Just lost a guy that had 5 grey stars..

Found my answer <3 Awww, man. Makes me sad

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On 03/05/2021 at 16:47, OlivierL said:

Just a quick question. Playing in Gibraltar , in the second season i'm upgrading my youth facilities but after the end of the first season , i saw that the U19 squad is visible.

I can hire staff, but i can't control the training or select a tactic. Is this because the youth facilities are still upgrading? 

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i can't put myself as responsible for any training parts.. to get them into my icon bar.

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A bug or will it be ok after the improvement of the YT fac ?

Have you tried taking over general training?

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I'm sure this has been asked before, but to Mods/SI staff/Experts out there..... I could do with explanation/confirmation on the position/role/duty option in Training and how you can potentially use it. I've always left it as it is, or on the role they were playing, but want to try something different.

 

So as an example starting a Sunderland save, I admittedly want to be very extreme and focus pretty much solely on possession and my team being comfortable on the ball. Passing, some movement, and the mental attributes to go with it.

 

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(quick side note: Yes he is deliberately in the Attacking unit, I go by the '5 attack, 5 defend' principle, and his position at LB is one of the designated primary attack options)

So this is my Left Back, Hume as an example. Can play as either a LB or LWB. I envisage him playing as an attacking Left Back in my tactic. Now for a League One player I'd say his physicals are perfectly acceptable, however his Mental and Technical, even for a young player, need work and to fit my possession (ultra) focus. Which brings me on to my question......

What is the effect if I did this:

 

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As can be seen, I have changed his Position/Role/Duty to a Wide Playmaker. Why? Because look at what attributes will be getting trained, a narrow focus (compared to eg. if I put him on a complete wingback which would target every attribute going) targeting on Technical and Mental ones I want for possession-focused play and to aid an attacking left back. So any training sessions that focus on individual role I know will be working on these attributes. I also have additional focus up my sleeve to further target specifics.

 

But.... he has no familiarity with the Left Midfield positional slot, he isn't going to play there to pick it up, so I ask:

 

- Training wise, will this have any effect in terms of attribute development? Or is doing this (putting a player on an alien role they won't play) a complete waste.

- If it will help shape/mould the player more to what I want and hold important, I presume tactical familiarity will be a lot slower for their actual playing position/role? (this I can live with).

 

I think that covers it and hopefully you get the gist of what I'm asking. Would appreciate clarification.

 

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7 hours ago, mp_87 said:

- Training wise, will this have any effect in terms of attribute development? Or is doing this (putting a player on an alien role they won't play) a complete waste.

- If it will help shape/mould the player more to what I want and hold important, I presume tactical familiarity will be a lot slower for their actual playing position/role? (this I can live with).

It will absolutely have an effect in terms of attribute development.  When you are selecting role training you aren’t actually asking him to train for that role - you are asking him to train a certain selection of attributes.  Other attributes will of course still develop however they’ll be the main focus.  Selecting a “role” to train is nothing more than a quick method of selecting certain attributes to train.

I’d also suggest don’t ignore the “Additional Focus”.  Select that to give him a boost in specific areas, especially If the role you select doesn’t cover those specific areas.

In terms of tactical familiarity you’ll still be playing him as a left back and that’s what the game will base it on, so no issues there either.

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On 06/02/2021 at 20:11, OlivierL said:

@Seb Wassell a small question. If u change your hoyd , will the one we 'sack' still have some influence on the next intakes ? I mean are they influencing youth players from 10/11/12/13 or if the influence of the new one 100% more important ?

It is decided at a single point before the youth intake preview, but that point is obviously hidden. Your best bet is to do it in line with the preview and/or intake. 

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On 20/09/2021 at 07:00, Dj-Voodoo said:

Might be the wrong question but how can I 'enable' or get a u23/second team? Hertha Berlin

There are board requests for that sort of thing, but it does depend on the club in question, some are not available. 

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Any idea if a HOYD with bat Motivating (5) influence the youth intake?

He's great in most skills (adaptability, determination, working with youngsters, potential etc), he's fairly ambitious yet I have a disastrous youth intake in my 2nd season, after I overachieved in first one and built new youth facilities, improved youth coaches and youth network. I searched trough forums and I didn't stumble on anything like that. I play FM22. 

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head of youth development question. Should i only go by tactical style and personality? Should i ignore his Working with Youngsters, judging player ability/potential, and determination attributes? What about adaptability? is it true that, when it comes to bringing in wonderkids, its only your facilities/club reputation/country and HoYD's personality that matter, and that non of their attributes actually matter? if I'm managing a club with the best facilities in a country like spain, should i just worry about getting a model citizen as my HoYD, regardless of his attributes? another thing, does his reputation or world knowledge matter?

 

to give an example: Silvino Louro on fm22... hes a model citizen, great, it'll rub off on some of the newgens. but his judging player ability is 13 and potential is 11... is this going to impact my newgens ability/potential? his determination is only 14, will this impact my newgens determination? is his 16 in adaptability of any relevance? or would it be the same if he had 10 in adaptability? another thing about Silvino Louro is that he has fantastic world knowledge in spain, Argentina, chile, Mexico, peru, etc etc. Can this have any impact on my youth intake?

[thanks in advance / not sure if this is a relevant area to post these questions, my first ever post on si forum / sorry in advance if this is not the space to post this]

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I feel like I'm overthinking it but it has been suggested by some to look at youth players who are already at the club but are still invisible as if they are part of the U10,U11,U12,etc teams until they're 15/16yo and can officially become a part of the club. So let's say you, run a smaller club and start upgrading all the variables that a user has control over and can improve the odds for a better youth intake (club reputation, HoYD + youth coaches with right attributes, recruitment, junior coaching and facilities). Do these upgrades have full effect starting with the next batch of youth intake or rather it actually takes a few years since these invisible youth players are in the club's youth system for multiple seasons while they are progressing through the ranks?

 

edit: by next batch I meant within 2 seasons, it's understood that it would have limited impact on an already in progress season

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On 15/11/2019 at 00:37, Seb Wassell said:

The Clubs with the best Youth Recruitment will generally pick up the best Junior talent from that Nation first, the scale of that talent being determined by the Nation Youth Rating and Game Importance. The lower the Youth Recruitment the further down the pecking order a club will find itself. Two clubs with identical Youth Recruitment will be sorted by Club Reputation. Being lower down this pecking order does not mean quality Newgens cannot be produced, it simply lowers the chances.

Just regarding this, is the nation the level that youth players are pooled at on, or does local region have an impact?

 

Say for example looking at the Lombardy region in Italy, versus the Sicilia region. Both Milans are in the Lombardy region, whereas the best clubs in terms of youth metrics in Sicilia are Palermo, Catania, and Messina, but all far from the levels of both large Milan clubs.

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Since FM19, training has been changed completely (in forward direction), but need a revisit-update from SI IMHO @Seb Wassell.

In FM22 I sat down to design a training which will be dedicated to train attributes, according to key attributes for each unit (GK, Defend, Attack) and roles in my tactic.

Tactic have IWB, BPD, DM in Defending Unit.

In my surprise, not a single Defending Unit schedule include "Composure" for the Ball Playing Defender (key attribute). Not even the general (blue) Defending. The only way to train the BPD Composure is by general Outfield, Overall and Play from the Back schedules or assign him with Additional Focus "Final Third". So, "Composure" for a CB role, must be included somewhere inside the defending unit schedules like Ground & Aerial Defense or Def. Shadow Play since it's a mental attribute.

Another example in Attacking Unit with Pressing Forward role, Bravery is key attribute. The only way to train Bravery for a ST/PF Role is by assign additional focus "Aerial". There is no schedule for attacking unit which have "Bravery" inside. I can understand that mental attribute isn't so easy to define in training "how to be brave my son", but fits perfectly in "Defending from the Front" schedule which contains "Heading, Marking, Tackling, Concentration, Positioning". 

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I had a strange youth intake so maybe someone can share some thoughts what happened.

I started with a mediocre club in Romanian first division (FC Arges) with the following:

Youth Facilities - Basic
Youth Academy - Adequate
Youth Recruitment - Limited
 
Now I have
Youth Facilities - Good
Yoth Recruitment - I think I upgraded once
Academy - upgraded once as well
 
I am 2024 and first two youth intakes (2022 and 2023) were OKaish I'd say for a small club, I got from first 2 generations 4 first divisions players, 1 bwm 4.5 stars, 1 CD with 4.5 stars, 1 LB wich started bad but not going to 4.5 stars and 1 winger with 4 stars. All have good mentals and I have also a big number of 3 star players around 16 that can get a better rating (they train well, they are developing), possible 2 more first division standard players.
 
My intake from 2024, after upgardes and good results (I am in top 2 clubs and fighting for league title and cup) it is only 5 players. The previous ones were pretty big, more than 11. My HOYD is decent, not great, because there is that strange bug with good HOYD accepting lower salaries as coaches but for this job they refuse...so I am struggling here.
 
The intake is decent, I have 1 ST with 4.5 stars but sadly casual, 1 MC with 4.5 stars (driven, great!) and 3 more x 3 stars with decent mentals.
 
Any idea what happend with such a small intake?
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