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Is it possible to find a player and develop him into a talent that can torment defences? Can I turn someone into a Maradona? Will it cause me issues and how will I deal with them? This is a blog series where I chronicle the development of one player. He has the ability to torment defences, but he also comes with some baggage that prove a big challenge in his development. This is very much a journey of a player, i will chronicle his development within the context of training and tactics.

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My scouts pointed me out to this player in 2025. His attributes don’t scream world superstar, in fact, most of his attributes are average, but what piqued my interest was his dribbling and his agility.  This was one player who given the space could torment players on the run. His finishing and composure for his age weren’t bad, and we were Stalybridge, a newly promoted side who get shunned by most decent players.

This youngster was intriguing. My first thought when I saw this player was an Inside Forward. The IF is a role that cuts inside and drives at defences, he is at the most dangerous when you play him on the flank that is opposite his favoured foot. If he is right footed you want him to play on the left.

Looking at him my first issue was his footedness. Personally I despise one footedness for an inside forward, so we needed to train him to cut inside from the right wing. We could stick him on the left wing, but then he would have other issues, his one footedness. He could never receive the ball wide on the left, that would require the use of his left foot and then he could cut inside with his right. So we needed to play him on the right flank and get him to attack teams from deeper positions.

So we set up the Firefox system simply for him. Playing as an IF(A) he exploded in his first season with the club scoring 17 goals including 5 goals where he drove from the middle of the pitch to score. This was undoubtedly an interesting talent. That season our team was entirely reliant on him, he singlehandedly carried us to a 2ndplaced finish.

How did we get the best out of him?

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We used a system called Firefox, whose goal was relatively simple, play to control midfield and seek to release the right.

This was a system designed for the right sided inside forward.  Here we had a chance to overload the left side of the pitch, using a combination of an overlapping wingback, a Mezzala on attack and an inside forward. Naturally this flank was also vulnerable, but each time attacks failed by the opposition, it usually left us with a quick transitional attack that we exploited using hit early crosses.

If we sat deep with a standard line of engagement, it meant we would draw teams in. This was the perfect setup for our Inside forward. In his first season his performances were exemplary and he was developing well, frequently getting 9.5 for his training rating. He had improvements in first touch, decisions vision, composure and off the ball. In fact our training program suited him more than anyone else.

TRAINING PROGRAMS

First we gave him Inside Forward training with attacking movement as an additional focus. Then we included a weekly session that would work on certain attributes:

We designed training programs that focused on first touch, off the ball, vision and decisions. One of our 5 sessions in a week is this schedule that I call my Keep Ball session

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  • Possession: Dribbling, First Touch, Passing, Technique, Anticipation, Composure, Decisions, Off the Ball, Teamwork, Vision
  • Attacking: Crossing, Dribbling, Finishing, First Touch, Heading, Long Shots, Passing, Technique, Composure, Flair, Off the Ball, Vision (Creative Freedom)Tactical: Anticipation, Composure, Concentration, Decisions, Off the Ball, Positioning, Teamwork, Vision.(Mentality, Width, Position/Role/Duty)
  • Attacking Patient: Finishing, First Touch, Passing, Technique, Composure, Decisions, Flair, Off the Ball, Vision, Teamwork (Passing Style, Creative Freedom)
  • Chance Creation: Crossing, Passing, Technique, Decisions, Flair, Off the Ball, Vision
  • Attacking Corners: Heading, Anticipation, Off the Ball (Attack Corners)
  • Attacking Freekicks:Heading, Anticipation, Off the Ball (Attack free kicks)

The downside of this was the lack of love to the other team and our overdependence on one player. Who could fault me, who doesn’t want to see these kind of goals? I was making one serious mistake with my schedules, my Facundo Gaitan distraction.

With a third of the season left, I felt that our over reliance on one player had to stop, what if he got injured? We needed to spread the goals around. Liquid 4123 seemed to be the perfect answer, this was a system where predicting who would score the goal was harder than visualising where the goals were going to come from. This was a system symmetrical in attack that defied any kind of logic. 

This shall be a series of blog posts where I chronicle the growth of Facundo Gaitan, whose debut goal sparked so much excitement in me, and how I am  trying to develop him without sacrificing the rest of the team.

Facundo Gaitan's Debut Goal

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1 hour ago, andre62 said:

Can you share your tactic please? Thanks :)

:-) this is a thread about trying to develop this boy, in fact the tactic is only incidental to the player and how we get him to develop

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Always love a post from Rashidi!

Quick question. In your post you talk about how you made Gaitan into a IF/S, but on your video he scored the wonder goal from the IF/A position.

3 hours ago, Rashidi said:

Playing as an IF(S)

I'm not just pointing this out to be THAT guy that just picks up potential typos in the post, I more so ask because I notice that Gaitan is an extremely right footed player playing as a IF/A on the right flank. The goal was scored because Gaitan came infield, but then cut inside slightly from the center of the pitch and using a more natural cut inside motion for a right footer, scored a world class goal.

I'm incredibly obsessive about the footedness of my players, for example if I see a goal where my left sided striker cut inside on their right foot to score a worldly goal, I will obsess over playing right footed players there until I then see a right sided right footed striker run onto a loose ball, cross across the face of goal with the right foot and their strike partner has a tap in, then I obsess over having a right footer on the right side. So as you can see, I confuse myself every day over this subject. 

I was wondering what your thoughts were on this, and if you think that playing Gaitan in a cut-inside role on the same side as his extremely favoured foot is better than playing with a left footed player. To help solve my own OCD over anything else :D 

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Damn you nailed my dilemma. Its this right footedness now that has me scratching my head. In a lot of matches he cuts inside from the right flank and runs through the centre which is his player trait. And in the video its IF(A) in the blog post its IF(S) because i eventually ended up turning him into an IF(S) with the firefox system, because he will start slightly deeper. 

His right footedness is the biggest issue I have. I could play him on the left retrain him to use his weaker foot, but then that consumes CA,  I doubt that will do any good for his long term development in terms of attribute spread. 

So what i ended up doing is train him to cut inside from the right flank and play him as a W(S) in the second season. Now  he stays wide and cuts inside which is what i want. Twas brilliant, till another problem emerged. He became the best assist generator for the team, and the rest of the team were all soaking up the assists and the chances he was creating, but he now has stopped scoring as many goals.

So in season 2, his development is critical, and this is something i tell everyone, never be sentimental over a player. Issue I have - I don't care. I enjoy his goals so i obsess over him. And i have developed an OCD complex over this player to the extent of ignoring everything on the pitch. 

His performances dipped in the second season, he went from collecting POMs to collecting *****. His average rating fell and his performances in training suffered as a result. Meanwhile the rest of the players lapping up the chances are doing well. The game does not count the run a player makes to take out players, it counts the assist that he provides. So if Gaitan runs half the pitch and lays off a pass to someone to generate an assist. The twit who didn't do any work except play the pass gets an 8. 

At the moment my challenge now is getting Gaitan back to being Maradona.

So basically if you have a right footed player and you want him to cut inside from the right flank naturally he needs more than just that he may also need to run the ball through the centre. And thats what we have with Gaitan, sometimes he cuts inside and takes 4 players out before playing the pass. Other times he cuts inside and makes a straight run for goal and scores by shifting towards the centre.  

The Firefox system is perfect for Gaitan when we play the big boys and perhaps I should stick to this instead of playing the more glorious Liquid system which favours goalscoring from 4 other players.

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You can see from this image. Firefox is built to develop on the left and unleash through the right. So here Bowler gets the ball and can launch the through ball for Gaitan. In both firefox and liquid my top assists generators are my IFs and the majority of our chances are through balls. Chances like this are the ones Gaitan finishes off and if we continue with him scoring he will develop over time.

The challenge in developing a player is not just getting him the right training, but putting him in a system where he excels.

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25 minutes ago, Rashidi said:

His right footedness is the biggest issue I have. I could play him on the left retrain him, but then that consumes CA, plus i will need to retrain foot and thats another chunk.

Wait, retraining a new position consumes CA? I knew developing weaker foot would 'cost' some CA, but often read this wasn't the case for training a new position?

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8 minutes ago, kandersson said:

Wait, retraining a new position consumes CA? I knew developing weaker foot would 'cost' some CA, but often read this wasn't the case for training a new position?

I should have rephrased that and I will...

Basically retraining a player should only affect the weighting of the attributes when he plays in that position, it should not consume his CA

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22 minutes ago, Clifton said:

If you want to increase the number of goals he scores, I understand why you have a No-nonsense full back behind him.   But why overlap him, won't that be a distraction and a passing opportunity?

The overlap is used simply to affect his starting position, since it also affects mentality. I want my backs to be closer to the midfielders in the consolidation phase. It is risky but it is great for possession football.

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*Spoliers Ahead for the Stalybridge Diaries*

So the Facundo Gaitan obsession continues. After a scintillating start to his career his second season appeared to be heading nowhere. 17 games played 4 goals in total. This was disappointing. And a consistent training rating of 6.8 was making me worried.

The team was top of the table, Stalybridge, third season in the premiership with a bunch of at best championship quality players had finished higher than Manchester City. This was a team that had beaten Paris St Germain 4-2 in their first Champions League game. After such a start why was Gaitan becoming a glorious footnote?

It had to do with another one of my obsessions, Liquid 4123. This tactic was breaking all kinds of personal records for me in FM19. It was a heavily customised system that depends on a congruence of traits and player instructions. Liverpool had finished a season 38-0-0 with it, Torino finished second on holiday mode. Staly got promoted with it. So we had to use it, right?

Problem with Liquid 4123, the wingers were meant to be creators and goal scorers. The winger on the right was the big creator, he was meant to pull defenders away so that others could score. It was meant to replicate Manchester City in some way. Most of City’s assists are generated by their attacking group of players, unlike Liverpool where the bulk of the assists come from the two fullbacks. By playing Gaitan in the right AMR position, Gaitan was turning into a creator and less of a goalscorer. He wasn't the immediate assist generator, he just happened to do all the hard work of breaking lines to bring the ball forward before someone else created the assist.

Gaitan's Dip in Development

In terms of his overall development, Gaitan was seeing increases in decisions and vision, but his overall training rating was now the lowest amongst the strikers.  Josh Bowler and Jose Carvalho who were scoring goals were around 9 and Gaitan was consigned to becoming a footnote with a training rating of 6.9. His match performances were hovering around 6.6 - 6.8. Average at best.

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The game does not reward the player who drives the length of pitch to deliver a pass to the player who creates the assist. The one who does all the work sometimes gets a lower match rating. And this was happening with Gaitan. The defenders were getting good ratings, the only player in the mix who was being nixed by match rating was Gaitan. If I could get the team to play better and make sure Gaitan was in the mix, then his ratings would go up.

]Firefox 4123Firefox is built for Gaitan

Gaitan has acceleration and good off the ball, coupled with agility, that makes him incredibly dangerous coming in late.  He has average finishing which means that he will probably struggle against camped sides, needing to use his technical skills to make space for himself.  This makes the Firefox system perfect for Gaitan, while we develop play on the left, the right flank sees chances emerge for our little hero. In fact while Liquid 4123 was a system that could also do this, it was not as predictable as Firefox.

Liquid specialises in spreading goals around, it has quite a few outlets for goals including creating space for players with good long shots. Gaitan was still learning the art of cutting inside from the right wing. Once he had mastered this we wanted him to start working on the left flank as well. This was a big risk as the coaches highlighted consistency as his biggest weakness. Switching him around like that would not be good for his performances.

Up next was Liverpool. Knowing they were going to be a lot harder than the average side, we stuck with Firefox with its simpler attack patterns. In fact in our next match against Liverpool, Gaitan was an anonymous player for most of the match till the 60thmin when he popped out in space to receive this pass to score. 

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We took a 2 goal lead in this game, but couldn’t keep it as my single-minded obsession with Gaitan again cost us a win when our defence handed a point to Liverpool with a terrible own goal. Gaitan however was now getting higher match ratings. Our Firefox system had done well against Liverpool for 89mins. Once again I had failed to think about closing out a match. We needed more consistency with the system so out went the attacking mentality, in came a more balanced one as we sought to play with less zeal and more control. It wasn't too different from the Liquid 4123 system, one difference being the AMRs being IFs in one and wingers in another. It was also more structured and disciplined in transitions.

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A lingering thought bothered me, could I get him to work with our Liquid System? The Stalybridge Liquid System is a lot more different than the one used by Liverpool. On lower mentality settings it ends up as a flexible system. And to get Gaitan in on the goal scoring action he would need to be placed on the left flank as a winger which is just going to make things even more challenging.

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The two systems play as a 4123 but transitionally they are very different. The big clue is what happens in transition.

Our next two matches were both going to be against Swansea.  Since our focus had changed, his match performances had improved. I just needed to keep this going for the next two matches and we could see the effect. It was now time to retrain him as a left winger.

The game was only 2 days later, so no team training, we just had one match preparation session before the match.

My head was telling me to go to a system that suited Gaitan a bit better.So it was back to Firefox.  For the match I was going to start concentrating on how Gaitan was doing. He performed well providing one assist and playing a key role in our attacks with 3 key passes. In fact when it came to opening up defences he was doing a better job than our Mezzala. His passing completion numbers were only 68%.

He needed to improve at how he played those passes, and playing him on the right as an IF was certainly good for him.  The hero of this game turned out to be Lucky Malti, with a brace. I was disappointed but hellbent on making sure my Gaitan would finish the season as a top scorer.

Our attention to Gaitan paid dividends, he finished the month as the Young Player of the Month with an average rating of 7.46. His training would now include getting him to learn the left flank.  It was going to be a big risk considering his right footedness.

His training rating had now moved from6.9 to 7.0 we were doing the right thing. He just needed better performances. I was now going to modify Liquid for him. I definitely have an issue with cakes, I want to have them and eat them too.

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We swapped to a slightly modified Liquid system meant for Stalybridge and began retraining Gaitan as an IF(S) on the left flank. Swansea lost two nil again this time, no surprise as our mezzala grabbed both goals by arriving unmarked twice. 

As a matter of course we were now going to monitor his training. Each time it dipped below 6.8 we would issue a warning. He reacted well to his first warning nowit was time to adopt a similar strategy with the rest of the team. Twenty games in and still undefeated, this was beginning to get stressful.

3  matches in  and two goals later Gaitan was beginning to show consistent training rating improvements. His performances on the pitch were having a knock on effect. The boy was finally smiling. Focusing on a system that allowed him to flourish was beginning to translate into better match performances and training ratings.

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For a player who was struggling with downward spiralling arrows he was now back to playing his best and improving off the pitch. The big challenge now is making sure the rest of the team doesn't suffer for one man's development. 

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**Originally posted on my blog at addictedtofm.com**
**Part of the Stalybridge Diaries currently on Youtube**

How many times have you created a tactic and just gone off and played games, or downloaded one and stuck it to your team? What about having a winning tactic that dries up after 2 seasons?  I am sure you’ve felt that way. 

Over at Stalybridge we’ve had a plan now for almost 3 seasons. I’ve wanted to play more fluid attacking systems for a long time, we know it works with Liverpool, but how do you get another side playing like that? Get inconsistent players to perform consistently within a structure that includes a training plan to develop your team along a specific path.

Training is a dynamic activity in the game.  We’ve known for a while that we needed to improve certain attributes in the team. We also needed consistency for big matches.  When I have big fixtures coming up, I tend to adjust training activities for those games. And, this is what we did for our knockout champions’ league match against Red BL.

Our training became more focused, chance creation, ball distribution, attacking movement and set piece training were emphasised. We had more good news, Facundo Gaitan was churning 8.5 training ratings consistently and his match ratings were now firmly between 6.8 and 8.5 Jorge Barros drew my interest with his consistently high training ratings. 

GAITAN FOCUS

Gaitan was now capable of cutting inside from the right wing. He managed to master this within 6 months; it was time to work on his weaker foot.  Our training sessions for the month included 2 weeks of attacking focused training where we worked on first touch, vision, decisions, and off the ball, crossing, finishing and passing. This was also the time when 3 weeks were devoted to defensive training.  Where two matches were being played, we prioritised position/role/duty training.

MATCH ANALYSIS

Success of the Split Block

Our split block is destroying most teams that seek to pass the ball back to their keeper in attempts at recycling possession. When they play with a high line, their defenders are usually too far away to support the keeper forcing him to clear the ball instead of passing it out.

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In terms of training, we need to incorporate sessions that allow us to play this brand of football. These sessions need to work on quickness, anticipation, work rate, positioning and concentration.

TRAINING SESSIONS

Our strategy to prepare our team includes a general defending training program:

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This seeks to work on the attributes we need, but they aren’t enough. When you go the training page, you usually can fill up 5 weeks on one page. So we ensure there are at least two defend schedules per month. Sometimes there are three.

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By the time we have reach the latter stages of the season we focus less on sessions that improve tactical familiarity.

A main feature of our style of play is the demanding use of through balls from diagonal areas. From wider areas we are deadly with the early cross with Firefox and just as dangerous with the diagonal through ball with the Liquid 4123.

Our training sessions are focused on improving our ability to break up play and to be able to drive our attacking transitions. Attributes like acceleration, decisions, vision, off the ball, passing, crossing and composure are those that are important. This is a Staly side that is slowly evolving. When we were in League 1 and League 2, I hardly cared. In fact I only started to focus on training sessions in League 1. The assistant manager took charge of training early in the season, set them up, then I would take over and tweak them slightly. In the lower tiers, we focused on a different set of attributes, but being non-professional sessions were sparse.  General training sessions were more common, the only thing I added was an extra endurance or quickness session per week.

MATCH ANALYSIS

Now that we were in the premiership our focus had changed. To battle with the big boys we needed to get better on the ball. Fast attacking chances would eventually dry up once we get re-rated. We had to get better with the ball and without the ball. Liquid 4123 had to be the long term goal. That was a system devastating against defensive sides, and my Ironhide 4141 was just as good - two systems that specialised in the diagonal through ball.

Our assist profile had now changed. Gone was the emphasis on the cross for goals. That is one of the worst assists to depend on, the short pass and the diagonal through ball assist are way more lethal. Our training sessions were working, but now we needed to focus on my lil favourite Facundo Gaitan.

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WHAT TO DO WITH GAITAN?

Facundo Gaitan's coach report does not make for pleasant reading

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Consistency and versatility are hidden attributes. Normally don’t sign players like him, in fact, I sell them off. But Stalybridge are beggars who can’t be choosers. With Liverpool the two wide players are destroying sides consistently. Here at Stalybridge, its not happening in every game. In fact on the other flank we have Carvalho who has a poor team ethic, is selfish and doesn’t big matches.  Two championship quality player we need to turn into premiership level players.

For Gaitan we need consistent performances. His strength likes in running at players so we would now have a strategy of starting with Firefox and finishing with Liquid 4123. The systems would be played on balance and we would use pass into space intelligently.

The heatmap showing what I expected to see in the game, a heavy emphasis down the right which is how Liquid is able to create the high number of diagonal through balls.

Against Wolves, Gaitan turned up with a late late equaliser to save us the blushes with yet another mazy run from midfield. He repeated the feat, another run deep from midfield helped secure a 3-0 win over Everton.

His training ratings were soaring and he was also scoring with his left foot! The strategy to retrain his left foot was helping him.  In our champions league match, Carvalho and Gaitan disappeared, fairly anonymous performances as our striker and our Mezzala ended up carrying the team with great individual performances. We would need to stick to this hybrid Firefox/Liquid System now. 

MATCH APPLICATION - CLASHING AT THE SUMMIT WITH ARSENAL

A big match was looming table toppers Staly against hot favourites Arsenal. The Gunners were on a six game winning run and we were tipped to lose. We started with our Firefox system, at half time we were not doing so well. Arsenal were all over us.

Second half we made one change. I pushed our LOE higher and we shifted from balanced mentality to a positive mentality.

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The LOE shift worked, now when the keeper played with goal kicks, we were slightly higher on the press. The ball broke free for Flying Gaitan, who drove at the team.

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Before releasing Barros with a diagonal through ball for our first goal.

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Goal scored I noticed a yellow card on WB(A) so we removed overlap first and subbed on Adrian Macaya who was faster. A yellow card on our weaker flank was a risk.

Working on defensive free kicks paid off as we broke down a free kick, defended well against the second ball, regained possession and broke with a counter. Cuesta played an exquisite diagonal pass to Barrows on the other flank, before Barros sent a heat seeker to three potential goal scorers.

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Time to secure the win; I had been playing on auto-pilot for most matches, now it was time for game management.  When you tend to focus on one player you sometimes fail to manage your own games. This time we wanted to win the game in some style.

The wingback on the left would be changed to a FB(S) with an overlap to position him higher. I make the changes, and the missus comes in to ask me to stop playing.

 

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Arsenal switch to a 424 , we needed to manage this game, no more overlaps all we needed was go direct. Hit them as they would  undoubtably be looking for a way back in.

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With a few minutes left we told our two wider players to go on attack and told the DLF to go on support. And we scored our third! Gaitan led a brilliant counter, the keeper blocked his shot, but he couldn’t prevent Barros from the follow up.

The DLF(S) had dropped deep enough and our two IFs were now on attack. Our 3rdwas too easy and our performance scintillating.

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Our training performances were working their way into solid performances. Jorge Barros who consistently does well in training was given a chance to impress, and he did just that. It’s time to go celebrate before reality comes crashing down. We have a tough run coming. Chelsea and City back to back. Our scouts had returned with a disturbing pre match report on Chelsea.  We played them in less than 48hours. 

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And find out more about the Liquid 4123 there too.

I do hope readers will appreciate how holistic and dynamic the inter-relationship is. I am not saying that without customising training you can't do well. To do well you just need to know your own team and identify what it lacks so you can set up training plans that can help you strengthen weaknesses.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rashidi said:

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What fascinates me is your courage to play with an attack-duty wing-back (role) and an attack-duty mezzala on the same (left) side, coupled with the overlap left TI - and all that on a high-risk mentality. When you do that with Liverpool, the quality of your players is high enough to mitigate the risk, so it's less of an issue defensively. But with Stalybridge... :eek:

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38 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

. But with Stalybridge... :eek:

My balls are in my throat and that's the kind of football I enjoy :-) I have even had asthma attacks when there is waaaay too much excitement

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27 minutes ago, Rashidi said:

My balls are in my throat and that's the kind of football I enjoy :-) I have even had asthma attacks when there is waaaay too much excitement

I also enjoy that kind of football, but only when I watch your videos. Not sure how much I would enjoy if I dared to play that way :D

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@Rashidi I have a very concrete question in relation to your liquid 4123 system. I perfectly understand what's the idea, logic behind the tactic and how it works (watching all your videos very attentively). My question relates to the Overlap TI you use in the tactic. I know what both underlaps and overlaps do in terms of mentality change and player movement, so that's not the problem. What makes me curious is this: you play with wingers (role), who are supposed to operate in wider areas, and behind them are IWBs, who are supposed to occupy more central positions. Having this in mind, my question is - why have you opted specifically for Overlap(s), and not for Underlap(s)?

Watching your Juve vs. LFC video, I noticed that your right IWBsu (Arnold) would sometimes move from the middle to the flank when the RW (Salah) cuts into the box, but then there were situations when the opposite would happen. So I am curious to learn if both these instances have anything to do with your selection of the Overlap TI or the effect would have been the same if you used Underlaps instead of overlaps?

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59 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

f both these instances have anything to do with your selection of the Overlap TI or the effect would have been the same if you used Underlaps instead of overlaps?

Its because i specifically chose overlap instead of overlap. You should pay more attention to what Robertson does when there is space and he has the overlap playing on a defend duty as an IWB. If i had gone for underlap then i have issues of creating even more congestion considering the roles i am using, the width and the traits in play.  An overlap was a better option than the underlap. At least with an overlap against camped defences sometimes you see either one of them go wide on the overlap. IWBs and Mezzalas are my favourite roles atm. The Mezzala is hardcoded to stay in the channels so he tends to end up between CD and FB, so ideally if i really wanted to use an underlap it would be on the left flank, but because i want the Mezzala to be one of the main 3 goal scorers i opted for overlap. 

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1 hour ago, Rashidi said:

You should pay more attention to what Robertson does when there is space and he has the overlap playing on a defend duty as an IWB. If i had gone for underlap then i have issues of creating even more congestion considering the roles i am using, the width and the traits in play.  An overlap was a better option than the underlap. At least with an overlap against camped defences sometimes you see either one of them go wide on the overlap

Great. Thank you mate :thup:

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