Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 hi, SteveCAn i check with U. I also using MacBook, thinking whether to buy the game. So, after installing it, do u need the disc to run the game ? Or u can play without the Disc? Many thanks cheers You need the disk to start the game or to use the main menu once the game is running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie. Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 i would prefer if theres a way to play without a disk as i have a macbook air, not a big issue as i have a external drive, but you know, convience and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko_mufc Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Another issue like someone stated above that there is no where on the football manager website telling people that the Mac Patch isnt available i know people who have downloaded the patch from the link on the website thinking this will work. The communication between SI and Mac users is rubbish!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie. Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 ok might as well keep it forever loaded, just easier that way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 What are 'Hot Corners'? Hot corners are when you place the cursor in the corner of the screen a function is performed, e.g. use spaces, exposé etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambolt Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 i would prefer if theres a way to play without a disk as i have a macbook air, not a big issue as i have a external drive, but you know, convience and all. I read somewhere on the forums that they're working on a solution for the MacBook Air, although I don't really see what that would be. I'm guessing they'll have an authentication system in place for the Mac next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 You need the disk to start the game or to use the main menu once the game is running. Thanks, Bro U guys are quick ! Cheers.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks, BroU guys are quick ! Cheers.. I'm sitting at uni trying to do engineering, answering questions on forums is so much easier and more fun lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 You need the disc in the drive when you start up the game (but you can eject it once the game is up and running). Same as before. Thanks, Bro U guys are quick ! Cheers.. Guess, I can buy the game. Is it nice ? Everybody is like waiting for the patches... Is it so bad, b4 the patch ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon0 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 bhgvhdedfghjkljhgfcd That was ME bangin'! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamiru Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 We mac user never expact to spend hundreds of Hong Kong dollers on a game with such an unacceptable stupid bug! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks, BroU guys are quick ! Cheers.. Guess, I can buy the game. Is it nice ? Everybody is like waiting for the patches... Is it so bad, b4 the patch ? Depends on ur platform, I have brand new MBPro and runs a dream, some peoples machines, even 6 months old suffer the bugs. I occasionally get the unexpected quits, but the main problem pre patch is the injuries, it is just annoying though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mads_overgaard Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks, BroU guys are quick ! Cheers.. Guess, I can buy the game. Is it nice ? Everybody is like waiting for the patches... Is it so bad, b4 the patch ? It'll be great when the obvious problems are sorted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yskel osminovski Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 your point stands because you said it and i respect your opinion but seriously if i was to launch a massive product like FM then i would think it prudent to have everyone on standby to work the weekend just incase something like this happens.now lets not get away from the fact that SI have seriously let every mac user down and dont seem to be doing much to solve it. they should be in constant contact telling us what the problems are and why its taking so long Please Stop Moaning, delivering anything as complex as FM to a set of customers is not EASY even with 3 years to work on it. What SI are suffering from is that we have all come to expect better of them as their track record for delivering a high quality game year on year has been excellent. What you have to realise is that SI is going through a large change cycle at the moment. They have become more and more ambitious as a company but i don't think they have changed the way they work to deliver games to match this new level of ambition. They also have a larger variety of games/hardware issues to support in the shape of the FML MMO and a 3D match engine so maybe the people that count at SI are being spread too thinly? I can only speculate really as i have no idea how many new heads they have taken on to support this new product? What you have is an organisation that is growing and changing. It can take sometime before the changes are bedded in and the organisation can start delivering to their customers in the way that have done previously. That sort of cultural and attitude change takes time to filter through an organisation and sometimes it needs a few train wrecks like the PC/STEAM activation and MAC patch fiasco to get everyone looking at how they deliver and how they do not repeat the mistakes again. At the moment they will have set processes for making sure that any FM game is delivered on time and fairly bug free, but this is the FIRST FM game that has: 1. A 3D match engine 2. Is supported via a third party vendor STEAM I'm not surprised that there have been mistakes in both the content and delivery of the game. As companies are always resistant to changes in the way they work until something goes horribly wrong. This friday will have been an eye opener for both the creators and publisher and they will be as keen as the user community to get back to levels of service we have come to expect. So before you start saying that SI have let all MAC users down think about all these major new factors in delivering this years FM to our doors. Plus they don't HAVE to be in constant contact and if they have bad news to report it will only make things worse. I suspect that we may not see a mac patch until later in the week and i also anticipate that this will be the most patched version of offline FM ever. I just hope that the patches fly out at the right speed and quality for us all to enjoy the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I find its playable for me now, I just free transfer players in playing LLM to cover the injuries. I wouldn't like to be playing a higher league right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambolt Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks, BroU guys are quick ! Cheers.. Guess, I can buy the game. Is it nice ? Everybody is like waiting for the patches... Is it so bad, b4 the patch ? By the time you get back home after buying the game the patch might be out anyway. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 By the game you get back home after buying the game the patch might be out anyway. :-) That is the best optimism I've seen on the forums so far, good effort mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I know we're all sitting here waiting for this Mac patch feeling pretty annoyed, but think about it, in a week this will be running smoothly, and we'll all have it on the correct platform lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zola0408 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 by the way, slightly off topic, but has anyone tried the data editor (on mac), yet? i tried it whilst waiting for the patch and it wouldnt open. anyone else have this problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 This week will SI release the Patch before next weekend? It would be very nice of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 This week will SI release the Patch before next weekend? It would be very nice of them. We're hoping so, possibly even sometime today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryzymillzy Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 i'm offended that SI have a bloody thread advertising how to win a can of DEODORANT as a sticky but find it unnecessary to clearly inform its paying customers when they are going to be able to play the game 3 days after they bought it... nice one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeone5 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 yes that happens on mine as well with data editor, its really annoying. in reality, if they would have released the game in october like they usually do, the first patch would have been due round about now. But the fact that they've sorted all the issues with the pc and steam releases before doing anything about the numerous errors us mac users are having to put up with just feels unfair on us. I hope this patch is out sometime before 12 today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 i'm offended that SI have a bloody thread advertising how to win a can of DEODORANT as a sticky but find it unnecessary to clearly inform its paying customers when they are going to be able to play the game 3 days after they bought it... nice one. It does seem slightly contrived and off topic doesn't it. Still, at least we won't have to smell while we wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yskel osminovski Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 yes that happens on mine as well with data editor, its really annoying. in reality, if they would have released the game in october like they usually do, the first patch would have been due round about now. But the fact that they've sorted all the issues with the pc and steam releases before doing anything about the numerous errors us mac users are having to put up with just feels unfair on us. I hope this patch is out sometime before 12 today I opened the data editor fine on my game?? what OS you running it on? Tiger or Leopard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko_mufc Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Please Stop Moaning, delivering anything as complex as FM to a set of customers is not EASY even with 3 years to work on it. What SI are suffering from is that we have all come to expect better of them as their track record for delivering a high quality game year on year has been excellent.What you have to realise is that SI is going through a large change cycle at the moment. They have become more and more ambitious as a company but i don't think they have changed the way they work to deliver games to match this new level of ambition. They also have a larger variety of games/hardware issues to support in the shape of the FML MMO and a 3D match engine so maybe the people that count at SI are being spread too thinly? I can only speculate really as i have no idea how many new heads they have taken on to support this new product? What you have is an organisation that is growing and changing. It can take sometime before the changes are bedded in and the organisation can start delivering to their customers in the way that have done previously. That sort of cultural and attitude change takes time to filter through an organisation and sometimes it needs a few train wrecks like the PC/STEAM activation and MAC patch fiasco to get everyone looking at how they deliver and how they do not repeat the mistakes again. At the moment they will have set processes for making sure that any FM game is delivered on time and fairly bug free, but this is the FIRST FM game that has: 1. A 3D match engine 2. Is supported via a third party vendor STEAM I'm not surprised that there have been mistakes in both the content and delivery of the game. As companies are always resistant to changes in the way they work until something goes horribly wrong. This friday will have been an eye opener for both the creators and publisher and they will be as keen as the user community to get back to levels of service we have come to expect. So before you start saying that SI have let all MAC users down think about all these major new factors in delivering this years FM to our doors. Plus they don't HAVE to be in constant contact and if they have bad news to report it will only make things worse. I suspect that we may not see a mac patch until later in the week and i also anticipate that this will be the most patched version of offline FM ever. I just hope that the patches fly out at the right speed and quality for us all to enjoy the game. Nice Speach but taking all that into consideration we as the consumer dont give a monkeys about all the changes to SI as a buisness they should still deliver the goods change or no change i can speak for the majority of the football manager mac fans in saying we would have preffered the release date to have been put back untill the game is 100% finished instead of getting every1s hopes up the kicking us in the proverbial by having the disc infront of us but unable to access a bug free version of the game. All companies go through change and get more and more ambitious especially in the current financial climate but i know for a fact that if other companies didnt meet the demands of there consumers there would be uproar so SI are going to have to deal with the "flack" they are recieving just like every other major organisation would if they released an unfinished product. Its like bringing out a toilet that wont flush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie. Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 part of me would like them to fail to deliver it today, just so i can enjoy peoples reactions in this thread. im a sad bastard i know ( btw i got fm09 with me and havent even bothered to install it yet, still in the box, hows that for being keen ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I opened the data editor fine on my game?? what OS you running it on? Tiger or Leopard? Seems to be running fine on mine as well, newest software and a new MBPro to run it on. Heard about some problems on tiger though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAlbansVillan Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I'm running a MacBook, 2Ghz Intel Core Duo, 1GB RAM and the only couple of times I've played the game so far I've had random crashes. Just a complete wipeout of the game. Anyone else suffered the same fate? I've played FM08 loads and had no such problems at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando THFC Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've seen reports from some that the Editor opens but then 'hides' behind other windows so maybe use Expose to check it isn't actually there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I'm running a MacBook, 2Ghz Intel Core Duo, 1GB RAM and the only couple of times I've played the game so far I've had random crashes. Just a complete wipeout of the game. Anyone else suffered the same fate? I've played FM08 loads and had no such problems at all. I've had exactly that, I just set my autosave to weekly and it hasn't happened since. Still, if it does at least my data will be saved this time lol. I'm guessing this is a stability issue that will be addressed in the upcoming patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambolt Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I'm running a MacBook, 2Ghz Intel Core Duo, 1GB RAM and the only couple of times I've played the game so far I've had random crashes. Just a complete wipeout of the game. Anyone else suffered the same fate? I've played FM08 loads and had no such problems at all. Might be a RAM issue. I'm on a 2.2Ghz MacBook with 4Gb RAM and have no problem with crashes at all. Also, try clearing your caches with a shareware app like Leopard Cache Cleaner. What kind of graphics card do you have? I have the X3100, but I understand the GMA950 might have problems with 3D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jones Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Official news please SI! This is silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucatchme.com Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I hope we get an update by 12, otherwise they are having a laugh!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakejenkz Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 SI have been pretty quiet on this thread for a while, it would be nice to hear from them, just for an update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I'm going to add to the general bitching about the lack of patch for us Mac users and far, far more importantly the lack of communication from anyone in charge about when it might be available. Not only is it pretty unacceptable to release a game this full of bugs, but then to expect users to have to download a patch of several hundred meg to fix avoidable bugs (and I'm not talking about data updates etc, that is the users choice) is bang out of order. Its ok for those of us with a reasonable level of disposable income, age, technical ability and patience, but for those younger, poorer or less technically savvy users, this kind of mix up and confusion is terrible. If I treated my clients in this way, I would be unemployed in short order. I therefore hope to god the coders responsible for this were stuck in a hot sweaty office all weekend to make up for the release-day disappointment for the rest of us. And for the PR 'gurus' responsible for this god awful ****-up and complete lack of official communication (except if you dig around this forum), you better be buying them caffinated drinks and pizza out of your own wallet to keep them working. And a few beers after the fix is out wouldn't be out of order if it all works well. And then a grovelling apology to your users wouldn't go amiss either, its about the least we deserve! Your disgustedly of Western Australia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie. Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 i hope the patch isnt released, i want it to become more shambolic:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas22 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I suspect, as many others, that they simply could not have overseen these issues when BETA testing. But, as they still are present in the full game, there has to be another reason for them being there. And my guess is that this is the "new" way of adding DRM. Just release an unplayable game full of bugs and issues, and shortly after you release a fix which is very hard for pirates to get working. It sucks bullocks, I know, but it's a possibillity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTG Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 The fact that there has been no word on this so far today can only be bad news so I am not at all hopeful for a release this side of Tuesday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendonboy Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 As I think I said earlier, it's entirely possible that the bugs were introduced late on in the development process, and while I'm not defending QA - certainly the ctrl+click should have been picked up - as such it's feasible that they slipped through the net, particularly in the case of ctrl+click as other methods of right clicking do work. Some of the conspiracy theories in this thread are getting hilarious though. I'm enjoying reading Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucatchme.com Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I think we are looking later on in the week to be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mads_overgaard Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Does anyone else have the feeling it's going to be a disappointing day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucatchme.com Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I will go along with that. If it was going to be today I would have thought there would have been some contact with us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas22 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Does anyone else have the feeling it's going to be a disappointing day? Count me in. Been sick all weekend, wanting to play FM, but yeah, you know the rest.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaijo Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 damn that lousy tooth fairy! I put my baby fm09 box under my pillow last, and I woke up this morning and the lazy cow didn't replace it with a working one. A brand new game that doesn't work? Next someone is going to tell me that Santa isn't real! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando THFC Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 If a bug is in the game it doesn't mean the testers missed it. I know from my time doing some casual off-site beta testing for past versions of the game that often bugs were reported and then not fixed prior to release. Basically they go on a list to fix and if SI don't get that far down the list by release time it doesn't get fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObaMartins09 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 If it's not released today then I won't be buying another game from these idiots. On Friday I was furious but in the end found waiting isn't too difficult, but a patch released 4 days after a PC one would really **** me off. I buy a game for it to work out of the box, in its current state it does not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas22 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 If a bug is in the game it doesn't mean the testers missed it. I know from my time doing some casual off-site beta testing for past versions of the game that often bugs were reported and then not fixed prior to release.Basically they go on a list to fix and if SI don't get that far down the list by release time it doesn't get fixed. Well, surely the ctrl-click issue would've been fairly high up on that list cosidering it's a very important issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie. Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 goes back to my theory of they couldnt be arsed spending time and effort with the mac game then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryzymillzy Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 back on page 2 of this thread (friday) i said i wonder what odds paddy power would of gave me for a monday/tuesday release for this patch... wish i had of checked now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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